Curse

Guillaume De Sonoma · Oct 23, 2006, 12:53 AM // 00:53

In perspective GvG gets new maps every chapter, HA'ers get crappy moderations, and even the removal of maps.

Sol Is Pyrrhus · Oct 23, 2006, 11:28 AM // 11:28

Yea, I'm pretty much retracting my former support for 6v6. I still feel that it has its merits, but it just doesn't compare to how Tombs was previously.

Mental Leteci · Oct 23, 2006, 12:01 PM // 12:01

Is it just me or there is a huge add in my post (1st post on this page)?

EDIT: Ok,it's just me. Never mind -_-

fenix · Oct 23, 2006, 12:29 PM // 12:29

It was a test that Guru were trying, by putting in different sorts of ads. They removed it because everyone was posting how much they hated it, so you weren't the only one

phasola · Oct 23, 2006, 12:37 PM // 12:37

i wonder if they'll admin they made a mistake ?

Commander Ryker · Oct 23, 2006, 12:38 PM // 12:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mental Leteci

Is it just me or there is a huge add in my post (1st post on this page)?

EDIT: Ok,it's just me. Never mind -_-

No, it's not you. I noticed this in several posts I've read this morning. What's up with that Guru?

dirtydutch · Oct 23, 2006, 12:45 PM // 12:45

Mental is spamming gw guru :P

Mental Leteci · Oct 23, 2006, 03:31 PM // 15:31

It appears only when you open the site 1st time.

P.S. Dutch don't make me hurt you : )))

phasola · Oct 23, 2006, 04:25 PM // 16:25

wow only 3 ids
never seen so few

tomcruisejr · Oct 23, 2006, 04:27 PM // 16:27

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Originally Posted by phasola

wow only 3 ids
never seen so few

maybe because IWAY and bloodspike are dead and they are the reason why IDs can go up to 10?

phasola · Oct 23, 2006, 04:54 PM // 16:54

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maybe because IWAY and bloodspike are dead and they are the reason why IDs can go up to 10?

Maybe people got bored of 6 v 6 ? I can't blame then. It has that RA feeling :<

Nurse With Wound · Oct 23, 2006, 05:05 PM // 17:05

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Originally Posted by phasola

Maybe people got bored of 6 v 6 ? I can't blame then. It has that RA feeling :<

And those ids are pretty empty.... most of the time it was impossible to get to ID1, now even this one is half-full. I know I got bored with it, and seriously I lost most of the fun I had with this game. The 8v8 change caused my guild to collapse and created many other problems with lots of my friendlist players leaving the game for other games ( eve, wow ). My estimates are that HA is now half the population is was before the change. There are skips all the time ( even from broken tower to HOH ), lots of teams are pure henchway... I know anet knows about this ( im sure they are monitoring number of players playing ), and I hope they are happy now....

phasola · Oct 23, 2006, 05:11 PM // 17:11

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And those ids are pretty empty.... most of the time it was impossible to get to ID1, now even this one is half-full. I know I got bored with it, and seriously I lost most of the fun I had with this game. The 8v8 change caused my guild to collapse and created many other problems with lots of my friendlist players leaving the game for other games ( eve, wow ). My estimates are that HA is now half the population is was before the change. There are skips all the time ( even from broken tower to HOH ), lots of teams are pure henchway... I know anet knows about this ( im sure they are monitoring number of players playing ), and I hope they are happy now....

Almost in the same situation. I hope they ones that asked for this are playing and enjoying though [/sarcasm]

ZiegDivine · Oct 23, 2006, 05:49 PM // 17:49

Yep, sucks to have a 52 fame run by winning halls 7 times consec (broken tower -> halls) ... I'd rather go through the map rotation and THEN hold, but of course, skips are ****ing rampant, almost impossible to see every map.

Minus Sign · Oct 23, 2006, 05:55 PM // 17:55

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Originally Posted by Sol Is Pyrrhus

Yea, I'm pretty much retracting my former support for 6v6. I still feel that it has its merits, but it just doesn't compare to how Tombs was previously.

Welcome to the dark side...

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Originally Posted by phasola

Maybe people got bored of 6 v 6 ? I can't blame then. It has that RA feeling :<

This has been going on all month; it was just a little harder to see because there was a boost of team numbers and not players. I don't knwo what Anet expected of this change. You can automatically see what builds are holding in HA with Observer. That makes them instantly gimmickable; just copy and paste the skills to 6 players and go in. It did nothign to change the way HA works when grouping and very little to change how they opperate in game.

Well; not true. There was 1 big change to how HA is running now...

A prediction about henchway: its only going to get worse. if you can really use heroes anywhere that you could use henchies then Nightfall will turn this game into one interupt gimmick. I can see it now; teams filled with ranger and /ranger castors running apply poison and interupts while a rit sits in the backline and one tank--I said tank--takes the front to call targets and degen with his poisoned arrrows. How do you fight 3 ninga interupters with a henchman's ability? mesmer with mantra of resolve or take skills that only take 1/4 second to cast. Fun times there, taking out most of the skills in the game or shoving people into 1 type of alternate profession.

supaet · Oct 23, 2006, 06:27 PM // 18:27

I have the same feeling, being running dual ranger conditions pressure build the whole time the last few days. We beat any group that did not run that build 1v1. And I feel that there are too many altar maps. I mean, 6v6 with two teams 1v1 has some fun. But you don't get to do it often. Always 3 team altar maps. Then it becomes an interupt fest really quick. Any team that does not have a ranger or pd mesmer have no chance, unless they face noobs. It gets boring really quick. Less and less people play hoh now. So tired of facing henchway.

I'm trying to compile a list of people that support the change. Though most of them was posted in Riverside.

mrdbeau:
1) 6v6 will become plagued by gimmick builds. I don't think it has, yet, nor do I think it will be, based on what I've seen so far.
2) All the time I've put into HA is going to be completely wasted and irrelevant by this change. I think just the opposite is bearing out. From what I've seen, the good players are still doing well and they may not get to hold halls for 18 matches, but people are going to have to understand that's just not going to happen much anymore.

3) Enjoyment factor. Most enjoyable two nights of playing HA since GW came out, even the matches when I got smoked. So many people in my parties have said the exact same thing... 'nuff said.

4) High level competition. This is a difficult area to assess. In some ways, it's paradoxically gotten more and less difficult at the same time. In terms of simply getting on a good team, winning some matches, getting to halls, then sure, it's gotten much easier and there are definitely more new people playing (a good thing).

5) Noobs finding groups more easily and rank elitism. Wow, this is by far the biggest and best change. The elitism is WAY down (I ran with several unranked groups over the past two nights, including the one that took HoH) and there are much fewer R3+, R6+, etc. groups forming up. Now, you just find a good looking group, join up, and roll, and if the team build is solid, win a few games.
6) Speed of fame acquirement. Yes, this has certainly gotten slower for the TOP HA players, but NO ONE ELSE.

btw, all his bs is simply not true...what do you think now mrdbeau, do you even play in hoh? what's your ign?

Just found another classic post:

Said by Me:

"I'm 5. but I have different opions for those 5 groups,
1. if you cant find a group now, you cant find a group in 6v6. simple it's your problem.

2. This group have no problem since all they care about is fame, if you can get 5000 fame in 8v8, you hav eno problem getting your share in 6v6

3. Same as 2, if you GROUP can pwn people in hoh now, you have no problem pwning people in 6v6 regardless of builds, new gimmick builds will come up

4. You will not like it after 2-3 monthes. They you will ask for bringing back 8v8 or 5v5 7v7 or 1v1

5. UNITE and get ANET to give us both options!
"

Said by mrdbeau:
"1) How will you not be able to find a group more easily when there will be SMALLER parties and more options for decent builds?
2) If you play mindless cookie cutter builds to get your fame now, you can bet that's going to get a lot harder with 6v6.
3) See 2.
4) If it stays fresh, then you're wrong.
5) Not going to happen, so no point in worrying about it."

Wow it really stays fresh, yet gimmick condition pressure builds are dominating hoh, along with kiting bspike....oh those are not gimmick. and yes I'm wrong, it STAYS very very fresh, for how long? a week?

supaet · Oct 23, 2006, 06:37 PM // 18:37

Inner Salbat:

"It maybe fun to you, but it isn't anywhere near fun for those that hate gimmiks, for those that play fare with some sort of balance to there build to be fare, to the other team and to themselfs so that both sides have a chance of winning, or losing, which is what balance is all about, when you bring in a gimmik you ruin all that because a team trying to be fare and have a good game that is balanced and fare, just gets rolled, that doesn't mean that there bad it just means that your exploiting over powered pile of poo, and you've no idea how to play the game past pressing, 1 & 2 keys.

As far as I am concerned if you want to go play gimmik, go do it in Barbie's playhouse or something, anything just get your whinning rear end out of GW, because you don't belong here. "

"If the skills are broken that's a fault of ArenaNet for not listening to the bloody alpha testers, and instead listening to a pack of Charr slaying PvE nubs.

Team size is broken if X amount of dmg output is greater than what any monk(s) can heal, or react too. as is the case with 8v8 HA the dmg output is way over powered on some builds, 1 second reaction time is hardly time to even cast before something is dead, on some builds. "

NO gimmick in 6v6 now, yes yes, do you play? what you think now? You play at all? The last statement is the biggest crap I ever heard.

supaet · Oct 23, 2006, 06:42 PM // 18:42

Shmanka:

"To be dead honest there are quite better posts, but continuing on. If you cannot find a group for 8v8 odds are better that you can for 6v6. Lower numbers easier competition. Like I said for every 24 players there are now 4 teams compared to 3."

"See this is where I agree and don't agree. How far can "gimmick" builds go with 16 less skills? You need actual skill now for bloodspike, ranger spike, Iway is going to be less effective, Thumpers are less effective, smiters are less effective.. it seems this change was planned for a long period of time. I truly don't think there will be anything "gimmick" about this new format"

"I'm also quite sure that when they do this update which should be relatively soon that in some way the "Ghostly Hero" gets an update on him as well. Im sure the 6v6 environment will change how people play, interact, and think of new "builds" will be completely different from here on in. Not only because of the 6v6 but the maps, and the limitations on powerful combinations now at hand. You my friend have no logical reasoning to defend your #5 category on this debate you are definitely the red headed step child abuser of builds. "

Yes, i'm a red headed step child abuser abusing 6v6 now.. Where are you?

supaet · Oct 23, 2006, 06:44 PM // 18:44

Phoebe:

"Gimmic builds are caused by the 'Overwhelming offense' metagame in HA.
With 8 players that have nothing else to do than slaughtering the enemy team, teams can kill an enemy player very fast very easily with little options for the enemy team to protect itself. With so many options available to overwhelm a balanced defense, balanced builds just can't bring enough hard counters to counter all those offensive builds, and the flexible counters are alot harder to use than the offensive builds themselves.

Remove 2 players and it should become alot harder (or alot less easy) to spike(/overwhelm) an enemy, thus defense and counters should become alot more viable and gimmick builds should be less prevalent"

Oh really? come get owned by condition pressure builds. or kiting bspike =.=''

supaet · Oct 23, 2006, 06:52 PM // 18:52

Brewski101:

"Will this make it easier for Noobs to HA? Yes. Good. From ANet's perspective, how can this be bad? GW is built on the idea of always getting new players. With no monthly fees, the company will die if it caters only to it's existing players."

Oh really? For several nights, I was the only r6+ player that takes unranked players. And newbies have no idea what to do in alot of maps still. Do you play hoh?