Curse

Brisket · Sep 24, 2006, 06:47 AM // 06:47

I am pretty sure the mesmer non attribute skill 'hypochondria' is bugged at the moment, so if you havent seen it yet or dont know what im talking about; here is an overview for you. Basically a mesmer necro uses fragility, phantom pain, accumulated pain, virulence, hypochondria. Hypochondria, at the moment, ends then reapplies all conditions effectively using fragility as a spike. The end result is something like 22 x 8, 176 damage. Seems a little extreme for a non attribute 5 energy 1 sec cast 10 sec recharge skill. Anyway I dont know how to notify the anet guys, so best bet at getting this bug ironed out is to get more people to go play with it in RA/TA. Maybe it will get fixed before the event is over. And yeah; it can nearly kill a 100 armor target in the first attempt. =)
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Nightsear · Sep 24, 2006, 07:19 AM // 07:19

I just tried it out and all I can say is that, this skill kills. Now mesmers can directly spike.

I don't think it is a bug since Hypochondria is doing exactly what it's discription stated. Pulling all conditions in the area (triggering Fragility) and placing it all on the target foe (triggering Fragility again).

Bankai · Sep 24, 2006, 08:48 AM // 08:48

So that's what killed me in RA a few mins ago.

Riotgear · Sep 24, 2006, 09:18 AM // 09:18

Words can barely describe how broken this is. :P

fallot · Sep 24, 2006, 02:34 PM // 14:34

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Originally Posted by Brisket

And yeah; it can nearly kill a 100 armor target in the first attempt. =)

Not nearly, definitely.

Fragility
Images of Remorse (possible 55 damage)
Accumulated Pain (37+21 = 58 damage + Deep Wound)
Virulence (21x3 = 63 damage)
Hypochondria (21x8 damage = 168 damage)
Virulence ends (63 damage)

Total = 55 + 58 + 63 + 168 + 63 = 407 damage + DW, not taking into account degen or other conditions in the area.

Legendary Shiz · Sep 24, 2006, 02:42 PM // 14:42

I had this used on me in RA. Thank god I had a pro monk, he was from PuP

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Hope this gets fixed.

Riotgear · Sep 24, 2006, 07:08 PM // 19:08

Been running this in Aspenwood. It's funny. They bond the gate and I spike the bonder to death. :P

Turbo Wombat · Sep 24, 2006, 07:23 PM // 19:23

While the skill is technically doing what it says it should be doing, I don't think it should be removing and reapplying conditions that are allready affecting your target.

Seef II · Sep 24, 2006, 07:46 PM // 19:46

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Originally Posted by Turbo Wombat

While the skill is technically doing what it says it should be doing, I don't think it should be removing and reapplying conditions that are allready affecting your target.

As silly as it sounds, your target is the area of your target, so his conditions are simply reapplied on him. Just a bug that anet needs to work out. Better now than during a serious season, eh?

Brisket · Sep 24, 2006, 09:14 PM // 21:14

Thought they would have nerfed it by now with the update, but it doesnt look like it. This means only one thing: not enough people are playing with it, do everyone a favor and go enjoy this animosity that a mesmer can produce while you still can.

Riotgear · Sep 25, 2006, 02:14 AM // 02:14

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Originally Posted by Turbo Wombat

While the skill is technically doing what it says it should be doing, I don't think it should be removing and reapplying conditions that are allready affecting your target.

Technically, the skill isn't doing what it says it should be doing, because a transfer implies a source and destination, and without them, it is not a transfer, hence no action should be performed. :P

Dragannia · Sep 25, 2006, 02:16 AM // 02:16

It's bloody enjoyable, that's for sure

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Originally Posted by fallot

Not nearly, definitely.

Fragility
Images of Remorse (possible 55 damage)
Accumulated Pain (37+21 = 58 damage + Deep Wound)
Virulence (21x3 = 63 damage)
Hypochondria (21x8 damage = 168 damage)
Virulence ends (63 damage)

Personally I prefer the good ol' Phantom Pain/Shatter Delusions. Attributes are a bit thin, but it recharges quicker than Accumulated Pain.

ManMadeGod · Sep 25, 2006, 04:14 AM // 04:14

I am pretty sure that it removes all the conditions before the main effects begins is a BUG.
Even this bug is fixed, the cost (5 energy, 1s, 10r) is way too cheap still.

Riotgear · Sep 25, 2006, 06:27 AM // 06:27

An interesting prospect though is, could you still make a team build with it if it gets fixed? If enough conditions are spread around, a bunch of people with hypo can basically bounce a huge condition stack from player to player. Under the right conditions, you could have a bunch of people just hit two players alternating with hypo to kill both.

TheMadKingGeorge · Sep 25, 2006, 06:43 AM // 06:43

its not broken

Wasteland Squidget · Sep 25, 2006, 06:51 AM // 06:51

The 8v8 build strikes me as similar to SB/RI or Ranger Spike. It's counterable by having certain skills on your bar (Restore and Draw conditions mainly), but if you don't have those skills it's going to be an extremely difficult fight. Fortunately, Draw has a lot more utility than Shields Up.

The thing people should be worried about is use of Hypochondria in solo gank builds. The massive damage, degen, and good attribute synergy with Distortion make it a very powerful as a base ganker. A frag spiker combined with a "You're All Alone" sword warrior would be almost unstoppable as a gank team, IMO.

Riotgear · Sep 25, 2006, 07:55 AM // 07:55

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Originally Posted by Wasteland Squidget

It's counterable by having certain skills on your bar (Restore and Draw conditions mainly)

Would Draw really work that well? Could just get pulled off by another Hypo, making the problem worse.

Quote:

its not broken

Then it's blatantly overpowered, either way it needs to be fixed.

Sep 25, 2006, 08:14 AM // 08:14

I just ran a moronic 5 mesmer pseudo spike using this. 5 mesmer 3 monks no thought. We did alright until we ran into a guild group who were using the same build with mods. If this doesn't come back totally revised by anet i will cry a little. Fast hex removing and RC prot were problems that I'm sure could have been fixed if we gave the build more thought because basically, a mesmer can spike a target out alone; they could even work with jsut two and a more balanced surrounding. Funny stuff, but yes very imbalanced I believe.

Oh yeah, draw would only make things worse. Think about it: its a frag spike. That mean your ally was dying and pleading for help so you spiked him again when you drew the conditions, thus setting off frag and keeping the conditions alive to spike someone else with. Hilarious yes, a good defense no.

Bugeater · Sep 25, 2006, 04:45 PM // 16:45

Geez this build is rampant right now. I'm not saying that Hypo's not broken (it is) but people need to get a brain. Running a BL monk with both Revealed and Inspired Hex (which I do often anyway), I could hold off three frag spikers. Quick removal of 1 hex and there's no DW from Accumulated Pain, a fast Mend Condition on the first condition and there's no Virulence. With that and hitting the Blessed Light trifecta way more often than usual, it's pretty easy to monk against this build.

But as a gank team, Squidget's right, that could be dangerous

TheOneMephisto · Sep 25, 2006, 04:56 PM // 16:56

Not sure how it would work, but it definitely seems that Hypo is overpowered. You van basically slap hypo on any character with a emsmer primary or secondary and be able to add 160ish damage to just a virulence condition spike for 5 energy. I mean, imagine 2 frag/virulence mesmers and 5-6 monks with hypo. You have the defense of 5 monks, and you still get a spike of over 1000 damage + deep wound.