Curse

Legendary Shiz · Nov 08, 2006, 02:08 PM // 14:08

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Originally Posted by Sophitia Leafblade

its so amusing to see all these people that hate Heros in Ha. Personally im all for them, Its good for them to be there for everyone. Experienced HA'ers will easy defeat them and gain fame (the main reason for being there) and if they dont then they need to make a betta build

. It allows more teams to enter Ha so theres more fights so people of lower ranks have a greater chance of gaining ranks and experience rather than being stuck versing already highly experienced people and not even having a chance to learn. The main reason people complain about them either not not actually as good as they let on and dislike getting owned, they get 'bored' of beating hero teams erm like hows that possible? everyone likes winning especially in HA or they complain its not PvP but as said before henchies have always been there and dont forget atleast 1 real person has to be in the team (unless theve left for some reason) so its still PvP by defintion even if its Player vs Players.

Firstly, people that only go into HA for the sole reason of gaining fame for a cool new emote are the ones who orignially ruined HA. And now they're back again farming more fame than every with the hella lamo heroes!

The main point of going into HA is to hold halls, and win favor for your country. Fame is cool to have, and it's a nice reward system. But honestly, nowadays it means so little I can't believe people actually really care about it unless they plan on ebaying their account. I can honestly admit that I only go into HA with the intent to hold halls. If you get some fame along the way, that's great. But that's not what the trips about.

And henchies weren't a problem before, and I don't think anybody could complain about it. Because it still had to have at least what, like 3 real people in there? Personally, I think henchies should be taken out as well but there really isn't a problem with henchies. Henchway wasn't running as rampant as heroway is now.

In my opinion, PvP is about showing your skill versus somebody else. Or in most cases, your teams skill versus another. And THAT'S why it's fun. Not the rewards, but the actually playing of it. Having heroes in HA completely whipes out that feeling. Because it's you and 5 buddies versus 1 guy and a bunch of AI bots. Is that still technically player verses player? Sure, because there's a guy on the other team. But if you have 5 bots on your team, it's not pvp...even if the definition says it is.

Bacon Goes Monk · Nov 08, 2006, 05:26 PM // 17:26

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Originally Posted by Legendary Shiz

In my opinion, PvP is about showing your skill versus somebody else. Or in most cases, your teams skill versus another. And THAT'S why it's fun. Not the rewards, but the actually playing of it. Having heroes in HA completely whipes out that feeling. Because it's you and 5 buddies versus 1 guy and a bunch of AI bots. Is that still technically player verses player? Sure, because there's a guy on the other team. But if you have 5 bots on your team, it's not pvp...even if the definition says it is.

This is exactly right. Sure, everyone wants to hold halls for fame, but you don't want to do it by practically PvEing. There's absolutely no fun killing bots over and over. I don't see why the people saying Heroes are great can't understand this. They say it saves them time? If you don't have time for HA, you shouldn't be there.

Lord Mendes · Nov 08, 2006, 06:32 PM // 18:32

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Originally Posted by Bacon Goes Monk

This is exactly right. Sure, everyone wants to hold halls for fame, but you don't want to do it by practically PvEing. There's absolutely no fun killing bots over and over. I don't see why the people saying Heroes are great can't understand this. They say it saves them time? If you don't have time for HA, you shouldn't be there.

QFT.
Exactly how i feel and why i hate having heroes in HA.

sage tank · Nov 09, 2006, 03:17 PM // 15:17

Don't be so sure about 1 player or 2 controlling a group of henches/heros, you do know there are Koreans who has lightning reflex(not the skill) and serious skill in playing these games. I believe there well be few very powerful individual that will emerge to beat the crap out of full people teams. There was one famous starcraft match I watched(forgot the name), one Korean guy used 12 ghost to lock down 12 battlecruisers with 0!! casualty, that was one hell of the play. Now with these controllable hero out there you gotta becarful, although most maybe pushover wannabes, I seriously advise you to not make the general assumptions that they are all incompetent.

(Right now I'm trying to learn how to dual monk, controlling me and a hero monk to heal the team)

phasola · Nov 09, 2006, 06:25 PM // 18:25

What's Starcraft got to do with GW ?

Nurse With Wound · Nov 09, 2006, 07:20 PM // 19:20

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Originally Posted by sage tank

(Right now I'm trying to learn how to dual monk, controlling me and a hero monk to heal the team)

Lol proffesion w/mo, dual monking lmao. You learning how to put two copies of mending and healing hands? gb2pve kthxbye.

Heroes sux cause its not goddamn pvp. nuff said.

Bacon Goes Monk · Nov 09, 2006, 08:11 PM // 20:11

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Originally Posted by Nurse With Wound

Lol proffesion w/mo, dual monking lmao. You learning how to put two copies of mending and healing hands? gb2pve kthxbye.

Heroes sux cause its not goddamn pvp. nuff said.

Pwnt?

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Originally Posted by sage tank

Don't be so sure about 1 player or 2 controlling a group of henches/heros, you do know there are Koreans who has lightning reflex(not the skill) and serious skill in playing these games. I believe there well be few very powerful individual that will emerge to beat the crap out of full people teams. There was one famous starcraft match I watched(forgot the name), one Korean guy used 12 ghost to lock down 12 battlecruisers with 0!! casualty, that was one hell of the play. Now with these controllable hero out there you gotta becarful, although most maybe pushover wannabes, I seriously advise you to not make the general assumptions that they are all incompetent.

Starcraft is a RTS game... You're SUPPOSTED to be quick and be able to do that.

GW is not a RTS, if you didn't know.

Sol Is Pyrrhus · Nov 09, 2006, 08:57 PM // 20:57

Fame feels empty now...

Well, emptier. Heh.

Y O U Lo Se · Nov 09, 2006, 09:08 PM // 21:08

I want to boom headshot ppl with my ranger, wud be pwnage. So plz add a crosshair to the game anet.

Thomas.knbk · Nov 09, 2006, 09:19 PM // 21:19

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Originally Posted by Y O U Lo Se

I want to boom headshot ppl with my ranger, wud be pwnage. So plz add a crosshair to the game anet.

Don't say that! they might actually do it!

Saider maul · Nov 09, 2006, 09:35 PM // 21:35

I say adapt to the change, dont complain about it. The heros give newb players the ability to go into ha and learn what competative play is all about. it also gives them the exp to excel in fully manned teams.

Y O U Lo Se · Nov 09, 2006, 09:57 PM // 21:57

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Originally Posted by Saider maul

I say adapt to the change, dont complain about it. The heros give newb players the ability to go into ha and learn what competative play is all about. it also gives them the exp to excel in fully manned teams.

fully manned teams?

I don't want heroway pplz in my team, they have no idea how to play coop, rather get pve pr0z

s w o r d y · Nov 09, 2006, 10:13 PM // 22:13

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Originally Posted by Saider maul

I say adapt to the change, dont complain about it. The heros give newb players the ability to go into ha and learn what competative play is all about. it also gives them the exp to excel in fully manned teams.

don't be ridiculous, HA is a PvP mode not PvE. Anet messed this up badly and even if they take heroes out tomorrow, have already killed a lot of interest in HA

Skuld · Nov 09, 2006, 10:25 PM // 22:25

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Originally Posted by Saider maul

I say adapt to the change, dont complain about it. The heros give newb players the ability to go into ha and learn what competative play is all about. it also gives them the exp to excel in fully manned teams.

Uhhuh, so they learn heroway and nothing else, and suck when they try to play anything else. Has this not happened before?..

Arya Nibelrund · Nov 09, 2006, 10:33 PM // 22:33

I do think there are worse issues with HA now than heroways.
Played a bit last night, and if the opponent wasn't a heroway it was a holding build. In almost every match it was a pain to score kills, one team even had 3 monks (1 bonder) and 1 defensive emo... With 6vs6 or you run a holding build hoping to hold the altar as much as you can, or run an aggressive build that will prevent you from holding. Most teams go for the holding strategy, which results in 20 mins+ matches... What a pain... And the decreasing number of districts speaks for itself.

sage tank · Nov 09, 2006, 10:50 PM // 22:50

If you people are complaining about free fame by beating a heroway team.. tell me the difference between free fame from a noob PuG team,

If you people are complaining about losting to a heroway team, then learn how to play, it never appeared to me that so many players are more incompetent than the AI

phasola · Nov 09, 2006, 10:58 PM // 22:58

Go tank more plx.
Maybe this didn't cross your mind but nubs = people...

Brother Redmund · Nov 09, 2006, 11:10 PM // 23:10

With the obvious discontent flowing from the changes in HA recently, I wonder is there/will there be any type of response from Gaile or anyone else at ANet regarding these issues?

It would be nice for them to give some feedback to the player base, if only to acknowledge that there are concerns. The number of people in HA at any given time has decreased so dramatically that surely they realise the cause and effect that the present environment has created.

JimmyDean · Nov 09, 2006, 11:29 PM // 23:29

I really dont think heroes in HoH is that big of a deal. If you're being farmed by them, then you just suck. If you're bored of fighting them, too bad; people got bored of iway and vimway a long time ago, but that hasnt changed anything.

Bread Fan · Nov 10, 2006, 12:06 AM // 00:06

Wow some people are so misconcepted when a lot of us complain about the heroes. Perhaps I should put it in capitals for those simple ones out there.

I DON'T LIKE HEROES IN PVP CAUSE IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE I AM PLAYING AN ON LINE GAME. IT TENDS TO FEEL LIKE I AM DOING PVE AND IF THAT WAS THE CASE I WOULDN'T HAVE BOUGHT GUILD WARS I WOULD BE PLAYING SOME GAME THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE AN INTERNET CONNECTION.

These retarded remarks that if you are losing against heroes it means you suck and quit complaining. I have yet to face a hero team that has beaten me and the pugs I am with. Except of course the "BROKEN" tower when its more about luck than skill in winning that map.

P.S - I have tried to speak with the PvE representative "Gaile Gray" in game about the issues but no offense she is quite ignorant when it comes to the PvP aspect. I wish anet would just fess up and agree they screwed up by limiting HA to 6v6 and then implementing heroes...