Curse

Cracko · Nov 03, 2006, 02:52 PM // 14:52

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Originally Posted by tomcruisejr

or maybe most or all of the people in HA who filled the districts only knew iway, bloodspike, ranger spike, obsidian spike, vimway. or maybe they chose to play GvG now. or maybe they went to TA/RA to get gladiator titles (+5k faction a pop yo). or maybe they quit and are now playing WoW.

Stop the quit and play WoW allready /sigh.

Now we have districts with people who only know heroway! YAY!!!

Lord Mendes · Nov 03, 2006, 02:56 PM // 14:56

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Originally Posted by Cracko

Stop the quit and play WoW allready /sigh.

Now we have districts with people who only know heroway! YAY!!!

yeah, playing against running bloodspikes like you was more fun then playing against heroes. /sigh

Ashytak · Nov 03, 2006, 02:56 PM // 14:56

well it's not like the AI is unbeatable, the way I see it, if you can't beat the heroes then you really don't deserve to hold the halls.

Sarevok Thordin · Nov 03, 2006, 02:56 PM // 14:56

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Originally Posted by Cracko

Stop the quit and play WoW allready /sigh.

Now we have districts with people who only know heroway! YAY!!!

Well they ain't gonna learn from anyone else are they? :P

Going by the earlier logic

Senator Tom · Nov 03, 2006, 02:57 PM // 14:57

If we wanted to fight hench all day we would go to Zaishen Arenas...

Lord Mendes · Nov 03, 2006, 02:57 PM // 14:57

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Originally Posted by Ashytak

well it's not like the AI is unbeatable, the way I see it, if you can't beat the heroes then you really don't deserve to hold the halls.

the way i see it if you dont read the threads and the arguments presented in the thread, then dont post.

Cracko · Nov 03, 2006, 02:58 PM // 14:58

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Originally Posted by Lord Mendes

yeah, playing against running bloodspikes like you was more fun then playing against heroes. /sigh

Flame?

Lord Mendes · Nov 03, 2006, 03:06 PM // 15:06

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Originally Posted by Sarevok Thordin

Well they ain't gonna learn from anyone else are they? :P

Going by the earlier logic

Yeah lol we all learnt how to play from ranked people.

Of course they arent going to learn from any1 else. They are going to play RA/TA, then join unranked FoTM HA groups getting ~10 fame a day. Then they will make fellow unranked friends, and play with them. They will eventually get their bambi and if they like HA, they can keep playing.Then, they will start/join an "ok" pvp guild with their friends experimenting with different and less cookie-cutterish builds. They will progressivly get better and eventually win halls under their guild name. Soon after, they will realize that fame is totally irrelivant since their are easily taking down higher ranked players.
This process is what most of us went through, and i really cant see why u dont have 2 go through it either.
Don't expect a decent guild team to pick you up and say: " alright altar maps work like this and it is usually better to...".

Dr_Knockboot · Nov 03, 2006, 03:06 PM // 15:06

All that can be said is if anet wants to respond by saying more players are playing, please take a look at the observer mode during any time of the day and also the number of districts there currently are in HA, since the introduction of 6v6 and nightfall heroes. Please dont use polls as a sample of justification for your actions, take a look at the effect. I am not opposed by the 6v6, but am greatly upset to see that there is nobody to actually team up and play with anymore.

HA is completely messed up!!!

tomcruisejr · Nov 03, 2006, 03:07 PM // 15:07

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Originally Posted by Cracko

Flame?

this is the gladiator's arena. if you're sensitive to "flame", adapt or gtfo the thread.

lol j/king. peace.

Tortoise · Nov 03, 2006, 03:08 PM // 15:08

HA has gotten to the point where almost no real teams are playing anymore. When I played yesterday we encountered perhaps 5 full human teams in three hours. Heroway is getting old, really, really fast... The fact all of them are running the same build doesn't help either.

I don't really see more people playing either... European districts are deserted, I haven't had any trouble getting into ID1 at all. There are still as many skips as when HA was 8 man. Seriously: there are currently more bots in HA then human players and it's already affecting the level our play (we're becoming lazy).

It isn't about whether or not Heroways are beatable (though Searing Flames is horribly strong). It's about the fact that beating bots all day just isn't as fun as beating players.

I honestly think HA has never been as boring as it currently is... (well, perhaps during the spirit spam days).

Lord Mendes · Nov 03, 2006, 03:08 PM // 15:08

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Originally Posted by Cracko

Flame?

towards heroes? yes
towards you and your guild? hardly.

I actually miss playing against you.

luilui · Nov 03, 2006, 03:09 PM // 15:09

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Originally Posted by Sarevok Thordin

Well they ain't gonna learn from anyone else are they? :P

Going by the earlier logic

Yea, if they cant learn from their own mistake, if they cant learn from observer mode, then they can never learn really.

Ashytak · Nov 03, 2006, 03:10 PM // 15:10

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Originally Posted by Lord Mendes

the way i see it if you dont read the threads and the arguments presented in the thread, then dont post.

*sigh* i enjoy how you ridiculed me, fine i wasn't clear enough in my initial post, my fault.

so what if you may have to go against npcs everytime, the fact that their extremely good at what they do can be very challenging. no one ever said HA was going to be easy.

But still you want to have fun with real people? fine, there's always the Team Arenas no one ever really goes to.(I'm no exactly sure if you can take heroes in there both i really doubt you can) . they're there so use them if you are actually want to play with others for fun and not for fame or hall holding. and there's that guild scrimmage thing too if you want to test a build out or whatever. there plenty of other things to do if you really don't want to deal with it

phasola · Nov 03, 2006, 03:13 PM // 15:13

It could have been IWAY, B spike, Vim, Dual smite, etc. A least they were REAL people not some crappy AI controller chars.
And i think the majority of players play NF PvE now, but that still doesn't explaing the lower and lower numbers of international districts. When Factions was out, there were 5-6 IDs as usual.
I think it's got a lot to do with 6 v 6 with everyone seems to love so much...

tomcruisejr · Nov 03, 2006, 03:19 PM // 15:19

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Originally Posted by Cracko

Stop the quit and play WoW allready /sigh.

dude, if you quit Guild Wars and played WoW, it's like losing to heroway in HA.

quitting a no monthly casual friendly game for a p2p grindcore game? pathetic.

Lord Mendes · Nov 03, 2006, 03:19 PM // 15:19

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Originally Posted by Ashytak

*sigh* i enjoy how you ridiculed me, fine i wasn't clear enough in my initial post, my fault.

I did not mean to ridicule you, i am just tired of people posting "zomg if you can't beat them you shouldnt b in HA!! zomg!".
/reads thread title
"HoH + heroes, end to cooperative play?".
not "HoH + heroes, overpowered."

Well everything has already been said, just sad that no1 from anet is actually posting on this thread.

myword · Nov 03, 2006, 03:20 PM // 15:20

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Originally Posted by Ashytak

*sigh* i enjoy how you ridiculed me, fine i wasn't clear enough in my initial post, my fault.

no, you were clear enough. what he said still stands. it's just that no one is saying that heroes should be removed because they're overpowered or too good. you'd know this if you actually read the previous posts on this thread.

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Originally Posted by Ashytak

so what if you may have to go against npcs everytime, the fact that their extremely good at what they do can be very challenging. no one ever said HA was going to be easy.

read above

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Originally Posted by Ashytak

But still you want to have fun with real people? fine, there's always the Team Arenas no one ever really goes to.(I'm no exactly sure if you can take heroes in there both i really doubt you can) . they're there so use them if you are actually want to play with others for fun and not for fame or hall holding. and there's that guild scrimmage thing too if you want to test a build out or whatever. there plenty of other things to do if you really don't want to deal with it

team arena is 4v4, it's different gameplay from HA. yes you can't use heroes there ironically. HA was billed as a highend competitive arena, so now you suggest the competitive players scoot off to to TA/guild scrimmage to accomodate newbies in HA, i see.

tomcruisejr · Nov 03, 2006, 03:24 PM // 15:24

the thread topic can be answered by common sense. of course yes. in one man team, there is no cooperation. you do all things by yourself, aided by ai. but is it still pvp? yes. technically, if you're 6 man team is fighting a 1 man heroway, youre fighting one person. its like 6 roman gladiators versus one nerd kid armed with tanks and nukes. its 6 vs 1. it is still pvp.

does it spoil the fun of others? yes, based on the whines and petitions in this thread. is it unfun for all? well think, maybe those who are enjoying this don't even want to go to these forums coz they are indeed having fun and playing the game.

do i care if you hate facing heroways? no.

myword · Nov 03, 2006, 03:28 PM // 15:28

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Originally Posted by tomcruisejr

well think, maybe those who are enjoying this don't even want to go to these forums coz they are indeed having fun and playing the game.

isn't that what HvH arena is for?