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Nurse With Wound · Oct 29, 2006, 05:35 AM // 05:35

Besides, WHY we should need people anyway? Lets make 6v6 ALL heroes teams! And huge observer mode for obsolete human players!! ZOMG so exciting!! Besides, people are nasty, they like to complain when you take away fun from them. Bots are so much better... Guess what anet, "heroes" wont buy the next chapter!

AI controlled bots in PVP arenas. Go figure O.o. No respecable PVP game ( thats how they advertise it ) would allow it. So what happened to Guild Wars? Hopefully this "feature" is still just a test, although I fear that Leteci is right.

I have just one question. Why anet promotes playing so called "pvp" with bots instead of real people? Can someone from Anet public relations who browse this forum answer me?

Cowboy Nastyman · Oct 29, 2006, 05:40 AM // 05:40

mods please close this its pretty apparent at this point that its just going to be more whining from so called "hardcore" pvp players and flaming anyone that does not agree with them

Katari · Oct 29, 2006, 05:42 AM // 05:42

Why bother with a Hero Arena if people can just bring heros to HA/AB/Etc?

Nurse With Wound · Oct 29, 2006, 06:29 AM // 06:29

Thomas.knbk · Oct 29, 2006, 07:17 AM // 07:17

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Originally Posted by Addone_Abaddon

how about HoH actually be hall of HEROES and a different arena for real players

No Wai. I want HA. I want to get fame for my wins, I want HoH.

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Originally Posted by Nurse With Wound

Guess what anet, "heroes" wont buy the next chapter!

That's a really good point.

I don't understand why Anet doesn't limit the number of NPC's you can have on your team to no more than half, like with every other form of PvP!!!11!1!
Anet, please do. you can't take more than 2 hench into TA, you can't take more than 4 into GvG, why can you take more than 3 into HA?

Legendary Shiz · Oct 29, 2006, 07:44 AM // 07:44

You can't take any hench into TA.

Tainek · Oct 29, 2006, 08:06 AM // 08:06

i Will retract any statements ive made before about hero's in HA, in GvG they are weaksauce, and get streamrolled in no time, bu tin HA, theyre bastards

on a relic run they are still weaksauce, not being able to split at all, but when its 6v6 or 6v6v6 , they become bastards

Mesmer hench + Powerblock, despite all my spells being 1/2s cast , i didnt get a single heal spell off for a whole match, the inturupt ability of the hench is just frankly obscene, no human could hit 1/2s on not just a consistant basis, but 100% of the time!

so for 95% of the mach we had no monk, ok fine, lets just kill them, erm, no

Running a dervish with imbue health, and a high amount invested, combined with two monks, there was absolutly no way we could adrenal spike them, with four offensive characters you cant shutdown 3 casters at once, and these guys have reactions like a rabbit on crack

Monk WoH+ Monk Blight+ Dervish Pressure with imbue+ Mesmer Power Block+ mesmer PD+ Warrior Bulls Charge = Bastards!

Jessyi · Oct 29, 2006, 08:13 AM // 08:13

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Originally Posted by Nurse With Wound

Also, can we have a thread without you mentioning IWAY? Pretty please This is thread about BOTS infesting PVP arenas. No need of pushing it offtopic for more IWAY drama.

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Originally Posted by tomcruisejr

the post is not about iway. its about the same ole whining people.

This is off topic, but Nurse is right. Quit "mentioning" IWAY as under your own admission the thread isn't about it. If it wasn't the umteenth time, I wouldn't go out of my way to start a reply by mentioning it, but it's damn irritating.

ON TOPIC, I hoped that HA wouldn't become a hench/hero fest, but that's exactly what it HAS become. Looking back though, the reasons why are pretty obvious. Rank based exclusionism comes to mind. I'll bet you could hero your way to r3 with a fraction of the stress. Add to that the novelty of heroes and at least in the short run you've got a recipie for (and get this) a hench-based meta. lawl. Get your free fame!

In addition, all of us folks in top 100 guilds have the ability to televise our solo henchie shenanigans. Expect to see Tara Sirona/Brick On A Stick making an ass out of himself in HA! lawl, see ya there.

-Jessyi

Thom · Oct 29, 2006, 08:26 AM // 08:26

Once you get the micro down, it is easier to have one person monk with two bars than it is to have two seprate monks. This is mildly nice for PvE (or testing), but kills the spirit of PvP. If you set your bars correctly, you can play the hero monk like a 16 skill bar.

Where before henches were just good at focus fire, now you can throw a shutdown character on an off target, then target switch instantaniously. Good player will easily beat 6 good players with mediocre communication. While all the micro, may make solo PvE more interesting and flexible it kind of kills the spirit of PvP. HA has always been dominated by machine teams, now that we have actual machines it is no suprise that they are taking over.

I'm glad GvG is relatively safe, but I really hope Anet removes heros from HA.

phasola · Oct 29, 2006, 08:30 AM // 08:30

I won't be going to HA anytime soon, moved on. It's sad because belive it or not i was actually having fun with all the iway & b spike.

Fatali · Oct 29, 2006, 09:43 AM // 09:43

Well I just spent my evening fighting Hero/Henchway for a good few lovely hours. Didn't see a single all-person team.

I think ANet forgot the part of PvP that means "player".

If I wanted to fight computers all night I would be playing the Nightfall campaign, not HA.

gg.

Wasteland Squidget · Oct 29, 2006, 11:01 AM // 11:01

Heroes should not be allowed into HA. While it wasn't the best PvP arena before, it's really just PvE now. Furthermore, it's extremely painful for weaker players who can't beat the frontloaded damage of a well-built hero. Losing to other players in PvP makes people want to improve - losing to AI henches and a couple good players makes them want to play a different game.

Juicey Shake · Oct 29, 2006, 11:22 AM // 11:22

centaurs running around casting meteor shower

sorry, if I want pve, I'll go play pve. heroes out of tombs ty!

hyro yamaguchi · Oct 29, 2006, 11:32 AM // 11:32

So....has Gaile or anyone else of Anet even responded to this stuff? Looks like a severe problem to me.

Mental Leteci · Oct 29, 2006, 11:45 AM // 11:45

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Originally Posted by Cowboy Nastyman

bla crap bla bla

I just love statements like this. Who's flaming anyone? It's just that we are right and you,who agree with heroes in HA, are wrong. Give me just 1 good reason why should heroes be allowed in HA? If you'll say:"To help new players." get out. We should change the whole game so the new players could adapt? Why didn't ANet change the game for me when i 1st entered Tombs and got owned by spirit spam team? They should just get used to the arena and they are the ones who should stop whining because this is all cause of them. If you go to an area and don't like it JUST DON'T PLAY IT. I don't like GvG and that's why I'm not playing it. I never came to forum with things like: I don't like catapults where ppl can own your whole team with absolutely no skill. Please ANet remove catapults, I'm to dumb to see that there is a person who's firing it because I'm new to this.

EDIT: nurse nice picture up there.

Lord Mendes · Oct 29, 2006, 12:08 PM // 12:08

well in all fairness i dont see how any1 can disregard the fact that PvP is meant to b played with real players against real players.
I know the theme for nightfall is hero this, hero that, train your hero, blabla...
but having heroes in guild wars player vs player is absolutely retarded.

Elrodien · Oct 29, 2006, 01:15 PM // 13:15

Please stop this now A-Net! There is meant to be a Heroes only arena in Nightfall. Keep them there pls

jana_the_stranger · Oct 29, 2006, 01:37 PM // 13:37

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Originally Posted by Elrodien

Please stop this now A-Net! There is meant to be a Heroes only arena in Nightfall. Keep them there pls

not only hero's also the henchies. Its PERSON VS PERSON !!!!!!

if i want to play vs non-person enemies i play pve !!!!

hyro yamaguchi · Oct 29, 2006, 01:43 PM // 13:43

Bad joke: now it's the hall of heroes

Bacon Goes Monk · Oct 29, 2006, 02:03 PM // 14:03

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Originally Posted by hyro yamaguchi

So....has Gaile or anyone else of Anet even responded to this stuff? Looks like a severe problem to me.

Why should they? They pleased the majority of GW (PvErs). Sure, they completely destroyed HA, but at least they made their money. Well, from everyone else. I refuse to buy Nightfall until they fix this.

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Originally Posted by Juicey Shake

centaurs running around casting meteor shower
sorry, if I want pve, I'll go play pve. heroes out of tombs ty!

We went in testing a gimmick holding build yesterday, and I saw one in the UW match. I seriously thought we were in PvE or something for a second. We can't even test builds because of these RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing heroes, as they're designed to work against REAL people and what the usual tactics involve. Not bot's with 0 reaction time.

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Originally Posted by Mental Leteci

I just love statements like this. Who's flaming anyone? It's just that we are right and you,who agree with heroes in HA, are wrong. Give me just 1 good reason why should heroes be allowed in HA? If you'll say:"To help new players." get out. We should change the whole game so the new players could adapt? Why didn't ANet change the game for me when i 1st entered Tombs and got owned by spirit spam team? They should just get used to the arena and they are the ones who should stop whining because this is all cause of them.

Unfortunately, it IS to help the new players. No, they shouldn't have completely destroyed HA, they should have implemented a LFG system for them, like WoW will have in the expansion. Oh sorry, that would make too much sense...

And tell me this, how was the ranger hero d shotting half of my RoF's? And how were monk heros not only playing a boon prot extremely well, but interupting with power drain with 100% accuracy, with no delay after healing someone? NO human can do that. I bought this game to play PvP not farm bots kthanxanetggbi.