Curse

Vel Satis · Oct 28, 2006, 05:39 PM // 17:39

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Originally Posted by Cowboy Nastyman

you seem to miss the point when im in lobby ill see the same players endlessly spamming for a group and getting nowhere, with heroes they can go in and not have to wait all day. i know my opinion might not be popular with the leet r9+ players but so what screw elitism. all i am hearing is pointless crying, what the people whining about fighting npcs instead of players fail to realize is there is still at least that 1 human player that has to have some idea what hes doign to make it work so please jsut get over it.

They can go to RA and not have to wait at all, or TA and the wait will be shorter. Screwing up the whole of HA so that a couple of PvEs can get a group a bit easier isn't a solution.

Lord Mendes · Oct 28, 2006, 05:46 PM // 17:46

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Originally Posted by lord of shadow

Farming

NPCs

is

not

PvP

fixed it for u...

Xioden · Oct 28, 2006, 05:59 PM // 17:59

As if it wasn't bad enough that 99% of the matches in Underworld were against Henchway... Now they don't get weeded out there and can actually make it to the later maps.

tomcruisejr · Oct 28, 2006, 06:30 PM // 18:30

if you lose to a 1 man team, you need to slit your wrists.

heroway is HA gold. better than 321 spike.

tomcruisejr · Oct 28, 2006, 06:35 PM // 18:35

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Originally Posted by Lord Mendes

lol i cant believe people still care about fame. No1, or at least the "real teams" couldnt care less about fame.

lets remove fame from HA then? all agreed?

Xioden · Oct 28, 2006, 07:33 PM // 19:33

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Originally Posted by tomcruisejr

if you lose to a 1 man team, you need to slit your wrists.

heroway is HA gold. better than 321 spike.

It's mentality like this that causes teams to lose to things such as Hench/heroway in the first place.

Legendary Shiz · Oct 28, 2006, 08:03 PM // 20:03

I think it's safe to say Heroway is slowly (actually, not too slowly) ruining HA.

I'm taking a two week break from HA, in hopes that when I come back I'll be able to see more than Heroway or r9+ only groups.

martialis · Oct 28, 2006, 08:05 PM // 20:05

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Let noobs learn how to PvP by letting them play with a group of bots, that is absolute BS. PVP is about team work and communication, and playing with REAL PLAYERS against REAL PLAYERS. You will never get better at PvP from playing with bots (or against them). Granted you might learn about the mechanics of many HA maps, but that is absolutely irrelivant because you are playing with BOTS. It no longer promotes teamwork, which is the basis of guildwars PvP.

This is a very good comment. Thank you. However, this problem is not new...

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Originally Posted by Cowboy Nastyman

you seem to miss the point when im in lobby ill see the same players endlessly spamming for a group and getting nowhere, with heroes they can go in and not have to wait all day. i know my opinion might not be popular with the leet r9+ players but so what screw elitism. all i am hearing is pointless crying, what the people whining about fighting npcs instead of players fail to realize is there is still at least that 1 human player that has to have some idea what hes doign to make it work so please jsut get over it.

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pve ppl that whine so much because they can't get a group in ha don't even deserve to be in 1. when i decided to start playing ha, i was also rank 0 and alone. but guess what?? i WORKED on getting my fame (i'm not one of those old pvp players that got their fame spirit spamming or ranger spiking). little by little any person serious about ranking up, start meeting ppl and making connections. i admit i complained at some points but i didn't go scream on forums and anet to nerf this and that or to make things easier.

the problem is that a lot of ppl are very lazy.

I feel bad for you, I really do, and I hope they fix it somehow.

IWAY was stupid and boring, and this is a bit worse. But people have been using fame-farming builds for a year, and until they fix the problems with fame, the problem won't go away. Some people are doing it for fun, and some are fame farming. If that's what people want to do, why shouldn't they be permitted? HA was stupid before, and now it's just stupid in a different way.

It's entirely your own fault. Yes, it is.

Gigashadow · Oct 28, 2006, 08:15 PM // 20:15

People are just excited about the new hero features, so obviously everyone is going to dick around with heroes in HvH. While the problem isn't going to go away, it will be reduced once the novelty wears off.

Remember how all you guys complaining about 8v8 becoming 6v6 were saying "All those PvE scrubs won't play 6v6 after the novelty wears off"? Well, same thing.

Nurse With Wound · Oct 28, 2006, 08:49 PM // 20:49

6v6 was enough of a nerf to stop playing HA, I still was joining some friends teams when they needed a monk. Now, I refuse to visit that arena untill it will return to its proper format ( PLAYER VERSUS PLAYER ). I dont have enough of free time to waste it on PVE farming arena.

Great Job of dealing a final blow to rest of credibility of HA. Great job of compleatly ruining the high level PVP arena, turning it into a big joke.

PS. At least now I get it why they changed the name from Tombs of Primeval Kings to "Heroes Ascend". It truely is Heroes Ascend now.

Also... Heroes get the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO out of HA.

ToxicWasted · Oct 28, 2006, 09:53 PM // 21:53

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Originally Posted by Gigashadow

People are just excited about the new hero features, so obviously everyone is going to dick around with heroes in HvH. While the problem isn't going to go away, it will be reduced once the novelty wears off.

Remember how all you guys complaining about 8v8 becoming 6v6 were saying "All those PvE scrubs won't play 6v6 after the novelty wears off"? Well, same thing.

Yet still, there always will be people who keep playing it. That just ruins the total idea of PvP.

Mental Leteci · Oct 28, 2006, 10:20 PM // 22:20

Actually you have all been scammed by Arena Net. If I remember this was supposed to be a MMOCPG? So where did that "C" go?

Azadaleou · Oct 28, 2006, 10:38 PM // 22:38

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Originally Posted by Mental Leteci

Actually you have all been scammed by Arena Net. If I remember this was supposed to be a MMOCPG? So where did that "C" go?

Word

Thats what I'm saying. Your suppose to play with live people but yet they promote playing with bots. Henchmen were suppose to be a last resort option. With the introduction of heroes there will be more hero groups than live groups unless there is a change. And to people who say this won't happen, all I can say is look what happened to lineage II when automated programs came out. It was like oh I have this 3rd party program so we don't need a live buffer or healer, then it became full automated groups ran by one player. I can see the same thing happening to gw if they don't put some sort of limit on heroes.

comonnow · Oct 28, 2006, 10:58 PM // 22:58

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Originally Posted by Cowboy Nastyman

you seem to miss the point when im in lobby ill see the same players endlessly spamming for a group and getting nowhere, with heroes they can go in and not have to wait all day. i know my opinion might not be popular with the leet r9+ players but so what screw elitism. all i am hearing is pointless crying, what the people whining about fighting npcs instead of players fail to realize is there is still at least that 1 human player that has to have some idea what hes doign to make it work so please jsut get over it.

Yea not so much buddy. I will restate what has been said so many freakin times in this thread. This is PvP (Player vs Player). I dont care what you thinkabout little Tommy Trollfarmer wanting to get his bambi. I started low and built my rank up for awhile, playing with real players. If they are so bad that they cant find a group then why do they deserve emotes? Isnt that the point of them, to somewhat show skill in HA? Thats the assumption I was under at least.

So I will end this post with a simple statement of four words for you:

YOU ARE A DUMBASS.

Lambentviper · Oct 28, 2006, 11:31 PM // 23:31

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Originally Posted by Lord Mendes

when it comes 2 PvP, any decent team with some leve of communication > hero teams. Nothing 2 b worried about.
Though I can imagine that it would b quite annoying to only play hero teams after sometime.
The only problem I can see is those l33t hero interupters, though parking them on priority targets would b pretty hard.

i totally agreed with you until i saw this screenshot :

QQ gets pwned by henchway = nullifies your statement

Mental Leteci · Oct 29, 2006, 12:22 AM // 00:22

What's so weird in this? Their AI has been improved and Heroes are controled anyway. Damage they do is almost not healable,especially if they switch targets fast. The only sad thing in all this is that they will never remove it like they will never put back 8v8 HA. You all bought the game and that's all they wanted.

Wildi · Oct 29, 2006, 12:34 AM // 00:34

before nightfall release "there is no skill in pve"
after nighfall came out "my team got owned by a pve player + heroes"
priceless

Addone_Abaddon · Oct 29, 2006, 12:38 AM // 00:38

how about HoH actually be hall of HEROES and a different arena for real players

Nurse With Wound · Oct 29, 2006, 03:42 AM // 03:42

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Originally Posted by Mental Leteci

The only sad thing in all this is that they will never remove it like they will never put back 8v8 HA. You all bought the game and that's all they wanted.

Yeah, you're probably right Leteci... They dont give a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO about us here. And I was sucker once again.

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Originally Posted by Wildi

before nightfall release "there is no skill in pve"
after nighfall came out "my team got owned by a pve player + heroes"
priceless

you dont understand the very point of this discussion, so.... gb2pve, kthxbye

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On topic. Today was the DAY OF SHAME for Heroes Ascend. Only 2 international disctrics most of the time (!!!) And its saturday! Well, no wonder... Heres the screen from obs.... Broken Tower.

I still remember the lively, crowded place full of good players in 8 versus 8 Heroes Ascend. Even silly IWAY was nothing compared to this whats happening now. TWO DISCTIRCS . Heroway teams outnumber human teams like 5:1....

What the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO have you done to HA?

Cowboy Nastyman · Oct 29, 2006, 05:28 AM // 05:28

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Originally Posted by comonnow

Yea not so much buddy. I will restate what has been said so many freakin times in this thread. This is PvP (Player vs Player). I dont care what you thinkabout little Tommy Trollfarmer wanting to get his bambi. I started low and built my rank up for awhile, playing with real players. If they are so bad that they cant find a group then why do they deserve emotes? Isnt that the point of them, to somewhat show skill in HA? Thats the assumption I was under at least.

So I will end this post with a simple statement of four words for you:

YOU ARE A DUMBASS.

additudes like this just further prove my point

so i will end this with a similar finish

GO RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO YOURSELF