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tomcruisejr · Nov 23, 2006, 07:14 PM // 19:14

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Originally Posted by master_of_puppets

Competitivity is not even a word but I know what you mean and you're totally nuts. Yeah some real "competitivity"...

I live in Kazakhstan and i understand the word competitivity.

B Ephekt · Nov 23, 2006, 08:09 PM // 20:09

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Originally Posted by bhavv

Did I say that? Thats just ranked idiots like you being pure retards that claim to play HA when you dont want your next rank or any fame? Well DUH fame is what HA is about.

You seemed to imply it, but thanks for flaming me.

Actually, HA is for PUG pvp, where you're not required to be in a top guild (or a guest of said guild) to play. Fame farmers who think rank actually matters made it all about fame, which is sad imo. Some people do actually play for fun, however odd that may seem to you. Also, there's not much point in grinding when you already have a tiger... so that whole weird "playing for fun" thing is there.

The problem with heros is that they kill the fun for the players who aren't just trying to grind fame.

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If you dont care about getting fame or your next rank, what exactly are you playing HA for? Competitivity? Playing for fun? Both those factors are still there and if you dont like it you can still GVG instead.

I'm not really sure what "competitivity" is, but I play for the challenge and fun. You can't speak for what others find fun, so your arguements are meaningless. However, these thread are brim full of people saying the exact same thing as I am.

Also, the GvG argument simply doesn't hold weight, some people simply enjoy the fast-paced death match style play found in tombs (and I've already been in two top GvG guilds). There's simply no reason to allow tombs to degenerate in it's current state just so some people can get emotes.

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HA is for fame and rank, I'll play whatever way gets me more of that.

Fine, but Anet needs to decide what's best for tombs - allowing fame farmers to kill NPCs for their now even more worthless emotes, or supporting an enviroment that actually encourages competative play between human teams. The pve-style farming found in tombs currently is a sad state of affairs, and certainly needs to be addresses if this game is to continue promoting "skill vs. time spent playing" and offering competative pvp venues.

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I completely gave up playing HA after I got rank 6 cos im fed up with people like you, and have only been playing it again since heroes.

So since I'm against heros I now fit into some category? Please explain what "people like me" are.

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Originally Posted by bhavv

Im the only rank 6 in my guild, (which is a PVE farming guild btw) I play HA with the others whenever they want (even rank 0 members that want to play it) And when they rush in and start the timer, it doesnt bother me in the slightest whereas idiots like you would be screaming ZOMFG YOU 4AR TEH NOOOBZ ZOMFG RAGEQUIT!!!11111 like losing 2% MB is the end of the world and your whole gaming experience.

I managed to get rank 8 before ever joining a tombs guild, in fact most of that time was spent in an all but dead GvG guild. And I'm not one to rage or call people noobs, so generalize more please. You don't konw me or what I'm all about, all you know is that I oppose your precious fame farming. Look, I haven't insulted you or called you a noob, so please act like you have some tact and keep this civil before it gets closed.

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Obviously people that have been playing the game for a long time, 24/7 with no life or existance outside GW and their tigers and phoenixes are going to be pissed off becouse of how much they put into getting their fame... most people work and have a life

Most of the people I play with are college kids with jobs and lives. This game has been out for almost two years, getting a tiger in that time isn't really that hard if you're playing around work and school. Personally, I attend grad school and work part time as a developer, and I still manage to play 1-2 hours every day or so. So please stop posting childish antagonizing bullshit.

Cass · Nov 23, 2006, 08:17 PM // 20:17

Well said B Ephekt. It's about killing fun, not grinding fame. Hell, they can take all my fame away and restore HA to what it was, I'd be happy. I'd take the pain of losing my demonstrable (is that a word in Kazachstan?) experience there over the current situation where it's simply no fun playing it... at all.

Lord Mendes · Nov 23, 2006, 08:52 PM // 20:52

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Originally Posted by tomcruisejr

I live in Kazakhstan and i understand the word competitivity.

rofl, if it wasnt for Borat no one would know Kazakhstan.
And btw its competitivness not competitivity, unless I am mistaken of course.

To Bhavv, you should DEMAND a better HvH arena that offers more rewards, not ruin HA for the majority just because you are an anti-social lad.
And btw don't get cocky about winning halls with hero-way, my guildy won halls and held 8 times all with 3 heroes and 2 hench.

bhavv · Nov 23, 2006, 09:37 PM // 21:37

HA is still fun, it is still competitive, it is exactly the same gameplay whether your fighting people or bots, so there isnt any way you can say that adding heroes to it has decreased the fun or competition in HA. If people want to use heroes in HA, it should be their choice and not yours, and ANET did already decide what was best by adding heroes to HA. If you cant adapt to the changes like the majority of players have, thats your problem.

Lord Mendes · Nov 23, 2006, 09:46 PM // 21:46

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Originally Posted by bhavv

HA is still fun.

no.

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Originally Posted by bhavv

it is still competitive.

no, well maybe for u...

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Originally Posted by bhavv

it is exactly the same gameplay whether your fighting people or bots.

that is the most inacurate statement I have ever heard. There is a HUGE difference that I won't get into, simply because it has been posted numerous times.

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Originally Posted by bhavv

If you cant adapt.

lol. O Rly?

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Originally Posted by bhavv

the majority of players .

The majority of decent players have quit HA. The only people left are the fame-hungry paragons and the "zomg I can find a party for HA now" heroway scrubs.

bhavv · Nov 23, 2006, 09:59 PM // 21:59

Ive just been playing HA for the last several hours as monk and paragon, and I can say the problem isnt heroes, but the stupid builds the people use.

The following is a list of past and previous problems with HOH/HA:

- IWAY
- Blood spike (seriously, a team of 6-8 necros was not any more advanced then IWAY)
- Vimway
- Searing flames
- Paragon holding
- Mystic Wrath spike

These 'problems' are 100x worse then using heroes. I have yet to play in a Rank 6+ team that has beaten a mystic wrath spike.

Even if they remove heroes and all you old players return to HA, all your going to be doing is your new IWAY equivalent builds which are so much worse. I would rather see these annoying builds being nerfed first rather then heroes.

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Originally Posted by Lord Mendes

To Bhavv, you should DEMAND a better HvH arena that offers more rewards, not ruin HA for the majority just because you are an anti-social lad.
And btw don't get cocky about winning halls with hero-way, my guildy won halls and held 8 times all with 3 heroes and 2 hench.

And I would like to point out that its you and B efket that are doing the first lot of flaming here. I can garantee im a lot more social then either of you, and if you consider playing computer games an act of sociality, your a sad freak.

phasola · Nov 23, 2006, 10:02 PM // 22:02

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rofl, if it wasnt for Borat no one would know Kazakhstan.

That's not Kazakhstan...

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Even if they remove heroes and all you old players return to HA, all your going to be doing is your new IWAY equivalent builds which are so much worse. I would rather see these annoying builds being nerfed first rather then heroes.

I'd rather see VIM,IWAY,B spike.

God Apprentice · Nov 23, 2006, 10:07 PM // 22:07

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Originally Posted by bhavv

I completely gave up playing HA after I got rank 6 cos im fed up with people like you, and have only been playing it again since heroes.

I'm sorry but playing with Heroes is not teaching you how to play as a team.

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Originally Posted by bhavv

Another point - low rank or even rankless players have virtually no chance of getting a good team. They now have the ability to use heroes instead.

The whole beauty about the new system is that is has made getting fame a lot easier, however it is still not easy enough to heroway your way to rank 9 or 12. Obviously people that have been playing the game for a long time, 24/7 with no life or existance outside GW and their tigers and phoenixes are going to be pissed off becouse of how much they put into getting their fame.

Well not everyone can play the game enough to get to rank 12 in a year or however long the game has been out for, most people work and have a life, and this new system makes that little bit easier for these people to gain rank.

The reason rankless or low ranks can't make teams is becaue there are no unranked pugs being made. Why is this you ask? Because they use Heros. C'mon go read a build, get some friends and form and unranked pug you'll learn a lot more than you will playing with npcs.

Of course those who are higher ranked would be mad that they put time to getting their rank. They played the game, learned from mistakes, became better players, if you constantly run Heros you can't tell Dunkoro on vent he needs to infuse the ghost, or Koss needs to adrenal spike this target, in the end they don't learn anything aside from attacking whatever target you've pinged.

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Originally Posted by Silver Spook

For these who are saying you dont learn anything with playing with heros. I hardly ever got past broken tower with PUGs, so dont see what I could have learned from these groups that take hour to get ready and disband after UW? I feel like I have learned lot more with heros and dont afrait to try stuff because no one is going to shit talk me for it.

Got to halls first time and won it too which is more than I could have ever got with PUGs so heros arent so "ineffective" as some in this thread like to say.

Ok? So you won with Heros, congrats, gg? Did you learn anything aside from spamming Searing Flames yet?

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Originally Posted by Legendary Shiz

To be honest, you shouldn't be proud you held with heroway. It should make you feel sad, that you and 5 bots can hold halls. That's what HA has turned into.

Of course noobs that can button smash SF and glowing are going to be happy when the fame starts racking up. But what are they going to do when they get something because of their rank, but can't do anything but micro manage heroes and spam searing?

This is a good point. This is basically what I'm sure A LOT of us are thinking. Ok let's say you get your r9, and someone asks you to monk, but all you've run is Heros. You won't be a good monk because you will not have learned about monking because the ai took care of the monking for you, and as I have seen with most Hero teams the real players are Ele's. Because you never tried to monk, or play any other class/build than Heros you are not flexible, like a lot of other players with similar rank are, those people learned new things and adapted as the meta in HA changes, thus they can run builds with a higher degree of success than you would be able to. So like Shiz said, winning/holding with Hero's is nothing to be proud of, it shows the lack of competition that is rampant in Halls these days.

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Originally Posted by bhavv

heroes havnt created an utter lack of competition, HA is exactly the same with or without heroes, it makes no difference to the gameplay.

How can you be so bothered about heroes?

Also, when I won with heroes, it was the first time i'd won halls as well. And ive played with lots of good guilds and ranked teams and can say there all big headed rubbish players, like you lot that think heroes in HA is a bad thing.

I know many people in game that prefer the use of heroes, why ruin it for them because your the ones that cant play the game?

Sorry, but you are wrong, dead wrong.

A lot of guilds don't play in HA anymore, otherwise you'd be having your ass handed to you for playing Heros.

I can't remember the last time I saw these guilds in HA:

Treacherous Empire
The Zaishen
Rank Three Plus Pug
Your Math Teacher
Magic School Bus
The Notorious Luna
British Bulldogs
etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc the list can go on and on

I loved seeing names like these back then, you knew you were gonna have to fight for your fame point(s).The point is because of a lot of these guilds leaving HA, there is no competition in HA.

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Originally Posted by Alleji

Knowing the theory really does count for a lot.

If you watch observer mode, learn the strategies and at least copy people's bars (understanding why they work often comes later), you'd be a lot better off starting out than some mending wammo who just came from PvE, has no clue how to play any map past underworld (other than kill stuff = good).

I know that finding or forming groups can be a pain in the ass, and trust me, that won't change when you hit rank 3, or 6, or 9. Your expectations will go up over time and pugs will fail to meet them 90% of the time. The key is getting into a good PvP guild, or finding enough people you like to fill up your friend list and pull people from there when making a group. (Which is, effectively, same thing as a guild)

And playing with heroes isn't going to help you any. If you have a r5 guildy, why not find 4 more r5, or r3, or even unranked guildies and learn to play together?

This imo is good advice

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Originally Posted by bhavv

HA is still fun, it is still competitive, it is exactly the same gameplay whether your fighting people or bots, so there isnt any way you can say that adding heroes to it has decreased the fun or competition in HA. If people want to use heroes in HA, it should be their choice and not yours, and ANET did already decide what was best by adding heroes to HA. If you cant adapt to the changes like the majority of players have, thats your problem.

Ok I think the biggest most important question that needs to be answered is how long have you been playing Halls? Did you play it when it was 8 on 8? Did you only start playing it when Heroes were introduced? If this is true then you have never faced real competition.

bhavv · Nov 23, 2006, 10:13 PM // 22:13

Ive been playing HA since it was 8 vs 8 yes and I prefer the 6v6 system as it makes it easier to form groups, and doesnt allow overpowered spike teams and IWAY. I were rank 5 before the double fame weekend and got rank 6 over that weekend then called it a quit untill heroes.

Also there are still lots of HA guilds playing, Deer, Boyz n teh hood and girlz in teh hood, and many others but I dont read every message that pops up when someone wins. If these guilds can adapt to the change and still enjoy the game, why cant the others?

God Apprentice · Nov 23, 2006, 10:14 PM // 22:14

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Originally Posted by bhavv

Ive just been playing HA for the last several hours as monk and paragon, and I can say the problem isnt heroes, but the stupid builds the people use.

The following is a list of past and previous problems with HOH/HA:

- IWAY
- Blood spike (seriously, a team of 6-8 necros was not any more advanced then IWAY)
- Vimway
- Searing flames
- Paragon holding
- Mystic Wrath spike

These 'problems' are 100x worse then using heroes. I have yet to play in a Rank 6+ team that has beaten a mystic wrath spike.

Even if they remove heroes and all you old players return to HA, all your going to be doing is your new IWAY equivalent builds which are so much worse. I would rather see these annoying builds being nerfed first rather then heroes.

And I would like to point out that its you and B efket that are doing the first lot of flaming here. I can garantee im a lot more social then either of you, and if you consider playing computer games an act of sociality, your a sad freak.

My guild team, which comprises r4/5, has beaten Mystic Wrath it's called Infuse/Prot ftw.
As for saying "IWAY equivalents" will exist, dude builds that are referred to as "Flavor of the moment" builds will ALWAYS exist. ALWAYS. Learn how to counter kthnx. By the way how can you be social with bots? I didn't know they have vent.

bhavv · Nov 23, 2006, 10:19 PM // 22:19

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Originally Posted by God Apprentice

Ok? So you won with Heros, congrats, gg? Did you learn anything aside from spamming Searing Flames yet?

I did yes. I learnt how to use all the new monk builds (tested every 2 monk combo possible), learnt how to make a holding paragon (they're on fire, angelic bond), and I can hold the alter untill my paragon or monks get killed.

My build is a lot better then all the ones I listed above.

bhavv · Nov 23, 2006, 10:21 PM // 22:21

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Originally Posted by God Apprentice

By the way how can you be social with bots? I didn't know they have vent.

How can you be social by playing a computer game and talking to people you dont even know? That is not socialising for me, if it is for you then you dont know what real socialising is.

As i have said I use two player monks in my build, and my friends list was at one point full of 20+ monks that wanted to play the build. I've given it a quit for a couple of weeks, and everytime im online im still getting whispered by them to do heroway.

God Apprentice · Nov 23, 2006, 10:23 PM // 22:23

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Originally Posted by bhavv

I did yes. I learnt how to use all the new monk builds (tested every 2 monk combo possible), learnt how to make a holding paragon (they're on fire, angelic bond), and I can hold the alter untill my paragon or monks get killed.

My build is a lot better then all the ones I listed above.

I fail to see where you have learned anything. What if Heros got taken away tommorow in an update and you are now forced to play with other real people. What happens then? Can you duplicate your "build" with real people?

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Originally Posted by bhavv

How can you be social by playing a computer game and talking to people you dont even know? That is not socialising for me, if it is for you then you dont know what real socialising is.

Because I play with guildies. GUILDIES. We use vent, that is socializing.

bhavv · Nov 23, 2006, 10:25 PM // 22:25

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Originally Posted by God Apprentice

Can you duplicate your "build" with real people?

Are you joking? I have already tried that and there isnt a single person willing to play angelic bond paragon cos there all doing holding crap.

Heroes >>> people because they play the builds I want them too.

I play with guildies and use vent, I dont see that as socialising.

God Apprentice · Nov 23, 2006, 10:26 PM // 22:26

You say you have a friend with 20 monks on his list, why not get one of them to roll your paragon, if they can't look for someone who says they are r w/e and can roll anything. When I said duplicate I meant win and hold.

bhavv · Nov 23, 2006, 10:29 PM // 22:29

Everytime I play the build I ask for a paragon, no one wants to play it thats why.

God Apprentice · Nov 23, 2006, 10:31 PM // 22:31

That's why I said look for a pug that says they can roll anything, get them on vent explain what it is you are doing and what role they play.

btw you quoted me on the congrats gg you won with heros earlier, that was quoted from silver spook.

bhavv · Nov 23, 2006, 10:35 PM // 22:35

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Originally Posted by God Apprentice

My guild team, which comprises r4/5, has beaten Mystic Wrath it's called Infuse/Prot ftw.

I only just read that and if thats true you faced a crap mystic wrath team. All the ones I faced spike perfectly and are completely uninfusable. And the cant die with all their enchnats.

I even used NR, didnt help at all.

God Apprentice · Nov 23, 2006, 10:37 PM // 22:37

Yeah it was a crap Mystic Wrath and yes it is a bit over powered imo, but that's another topic.