Curse

phasola · Nov 23, 2006, 09:13 AM // 09:13

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I'd cry if I got a Vin Diesel emote. One question though, shirt on or off?

Did you ever see him with his shirt on ? :O
I don't think hoh has ever been this bad since spirit spam. People stay on altar and spam wards, shouts & hp + seed. Oh noez teh skillz involved !!!!111

Program Ftw · Nov 23, 2006, 01:25 PM // 13:25

How about, 8v8 and no Heros?

Nurse With Wound · Nov 23, 2006, 02:06 PM // 14:06

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Originally Posted by Program Ftw

How about, 8v8 and no Heros?

Sounds like a good plan to me ;P

hyro yamaguchi · Nov 23, 2006, 02:19 PM // 14:19

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Originally Posted by Scizzors

O_O hardly seeing them!? 80% of the teams i face are heroway. ..unless were not talking about HA? >.>

It's all para holding builds now.

2 weeks ago, HA was empty, now it's LFG and LFP spammed again.

Legendary Shiz · Nov 23, 2006, 02:49 PM // 14:49

Yeah everybody is looking for a group, but they all know they won't get past the first couple maps because guilds like hex, or DeeR last night. Or Power or Sierra. Even SeeK.

It's sad when a few guilds, and a couple people are holding literally 20 out of 24 hours.

Alleji · Nov 23, 2006, 02:50 PM // 14:50

How many rounds had Deer held last night? I went to sleep when they had about 10 wins...

Nurse With Wound · Nov 23, 2006, 02:54 PM // 14:54

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Originally Posted by Legendary Shiz

Yeah everybody is looking for a group, but they all know they won't get past the first couple maps because guilds like hex, or DeeR last night. Or Power or Sierra. Even SeeK.

It's sad when a few guilds, and a couple people are holding literally 20 out of 24 hours.

Those guilds are the last fame farmers. Rest high-end tombers left HA, so they have no competition at all. When everything will be restored, more old-time HA guilds and teams will return there so a newcomer like heroway farm guild [hex] ( not even on the ladder ) wont sit there forever.

Legendary Shiz · Nov 23, 2006, 02:56 PM // 14:56

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Originally Posted by Alleji

How many rounds had Deer held last night? I went to sleep when they had about 10 wins...

All I know is that they first held sometime around when I orignally logged back in. I did some stuff, talked to some people, then went on a 30 consec run in TA. Eventually I got the "you've been playing for 3 hours, please take a break". They held for a bit after that as well. I don't know how soon exactly they first held in correlation to my first logging on but they probably held for around 3 hours. Whatever that rounds out to.

Silver Spook · Nov 23, 2006, 03:51 PM // 15:51

I have been herowaying a bit couple days now and wish they didnt remove it. I have had more fun with HA than I ever did with unranked PUGs and before this I didn't have more than 20 fame and didnt even bother going to HA anymore because getting team took forever and then just find out it disband on first lose or someone err7 and then disband = not very fun.

For these who are saying you dont learn anything with playing with heros. I hardly ever got past broken tower with PUGs, so dont see what I could have learned from these groups that take hour to get ready and disband after UW? I feel like I have learned lot more with heros and dont afrait to try stuff because no one is going to shit talk me for it.

Got to halls first time and won it too which is more than I could have ever got with PUGs so heros arent so "ineffective" as some in this thread like to say.

Anet if you are going to remove heros atleast add some proper interface same time to making teams faster than spamming local and jumping dists hours looking for that last player who then err7.

Lykan · Nov 23, 2006, 04:01 PM // 16:01

Standing in one place and spamming wards, shouts etc is akin to spirit spam. Easiest fame ever, and the holders shouldnt really be congratulated or held in awe especially when they face heroway after heroway. Seriously, Anet you see no problems here?

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No point blacking your skill bar tbh, SF, fire att, glowing, liquid, glyph, MS, mantra,res.. by any chance?

Gratz anyway.

Silver Spook · Nov 23, 2006, 04:11 PM // 16:11

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Originally Posted by Lykan

Standing in one place and spamming wards, shouts etc is akin to spirit spam. Easiest fame ever, and the holders shouldnt really be congratulated or held in awe especially when they face heroway after heroway. Seriously, Anet you see no problems here?

No point blacking your skill bar tbh, SF, fire att, glowing, liquid, glyph, MS, mantra,res.. by any chance?

Gratz anyway.

Close, yeah its SF build but its made in mind to help my heros too.

Legendary Shiz · Nov 23, 2006, 04:14 PM // 16:14

To be honest, you shouldn't be proud you held with heroway. It should make you feel sad, that you and 5 bots can hold halls. That's what HA has turned into.

Of course noobs that can button smash SF and glowing are going to be happy when the fame starts racking up. But what are they going to do when they get something because of their rank, but can't do anything but micro manage heroes and spam searing?

bhavv · Nov 23, 2006, 04:42 PM // 16:42

Ive also won halls with heroes, and one of my friends held using my build for 3 rounds.

I use 3 heroes, and 2 normal monks, so please keep the allowed number of heroes to 3 and I'll remain happy.

Also heroes in HA isnt a bad thing at all. You have to controll them all yourself, configure the skills, and if you manage to win thats GG to you.

Im rank 6 and for the last week have been playing in rank 6+ teams that arent half as good as my hero way, and when I ask them to change skills its the usual childish 'this is my build were playing it my way'.

Please keep the system as it currently is. If you cant beat hero way, your the one that doesnt know how to play the game.

Also, trying to make my own team of 6 humans is virtually immpossible all the time unless I spend 5 hours or so looking and spamming. This is completely ridiculous and if I have a build to play, heroes can do it right away without the wait.

B Ephekt · Nov 23, 2006, 04:47 PM // 16:47

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Originally Posted by bhavv

Please keep the system as it currently is. If you cant beat hero way, your the one that doesnt know how to play the game.

I'm amazed that 17 pages into the 25345345th thread on this topic, people still think this is the reason heros are bad for HA.

How can you claim to be a decent player and be so oblivious to the utter lack of competition heros have spawned?

bhavv · Nov 23, 2006, 04:58 PM // 16:58

heroes havnt created an utter lack of competition, HA is exactly the same with or without heroes, it makes no difference to the gameplay.

How can you be so bothered about heroes?

Also, when I won with heroes, it was the first time i'd won halls as well. And ive played with lots of good guilds and ranked teams and can say there all big headed rubbish players, like you lot that think heroes in HA is a bad thing.

I know many people in game that prefer the use of heroes, why ruin it for them because your the ones that cant play the game?

B Ephekt · Nov 23, 2006, 05:25 PM // 17:25

I'm not going to argue with someone who can't make a better case for heros than "u suk cuz u luze 2 heroz lol."

However, I simply can't believe that anyone who played HA at any level beyond horrible PUGs could say they haven't noticed a severe decline in competition. You used to come across a lot of good players, both high ranked HA and top GvG people, running balanced in tombs. This was the heart of tombs, and made for some very challenging and fun matches. Now, it's nothing but bad players beating bad players by shooting fire at each other... and the occasional good team holding for 30 consec with paragon builds.

When you win a match now it's usually because you were only fighting one real person, not because you out played them. Furthermore, "out playing" predictable and unadaptive AI is hardly fun or challenging.

Tombs is utter garbage now, it's not even worth playing unless you're trying to grind out your next rank (something I haven't cared about for a long time). 1000 level GvG offers more of a challenge that tombs does at the moment.

bhavv · Nov 23, 2006, 05:34 PM // 17:34

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Originally Posted by B Ephekt

I'm not going to argue with someone who can't make a better case for heros than "u suk cuz u luze 2 heroz lol."

Did I say that? Thats just ranked idiots like you being pure retards that claim to play HA when you dont want your next rank or any fame? Well DUH fame is what HA is about.

I play HA to earn FAME like 90% of people that play it do. If I get more fame using heroes then rank 6 players, I'll use heroes. Its a lot quicker and I dont have to put up with stuck up GW addicts/freaks.

If you dont care about getting fame or your next rank, what exactly are you playing HA for? Competitivity? Playing for fun? Both those factors are still there and if you dont like it you can still GVG instead.

HA is for fame and rank, I'll play whatever way gets me more of that.

I completely gave up playing HA after I got rank 6 cos im fed up with people like you, and have only been playing it again since heroes.

bhavv · Nov 23, 2006, 05:48 PM // 17:48

Another point - low rank or even rankless players have virtually no chance of getting a good team. They now have the ability to use heroes instead.

Im the only rank 6 in my guild, (which is a PVE farming guild btw) I play HA with the others whenever they want (even rank 0 members that want to play it) And when they rush in and start the timer, it doesnt bother me in the slightest whereas idiots like you would be screaming ZOMFG YOU 4AR TEH NOOOBZ ZOMFG RAGEQUIT!!!11111 like losing 2% MB is the end of the world and your whole gaming experience.

Its these people that ruin the game, not heroes.

The whole beauty about the new system is that is has made getting fame a lot easier, however it is still not easy enough to heroway your way to rank 9 or 12. Obviously people that have been playing the game for a long time, 24/7 with no life or existance outside GW and their tigers and phoenixes are going to be pissed off becouse of how much they put into getting their fame.

Well not everyone can play the game enough to get to rank 12 in a year or however long the game has been out for, most people work and have a life, and this new system makes that little bit easier for these people to gain rank.

phasola · Nov 23, 2006, 06:53 PM // 18:53

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Another point - low rank or even rankless players have virtually no chance of getting a good team. They now have the ability to use heroes instead.

I didn't have heroes when i was r0. Guess what i played...
Less crying is key.

master_of_puppets · Nov 23, 2006, 07:10 PM // 19:10

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Originally Posted by bhavv

If you dont care about getting fame or your next rank, what exactly are you playing HA for? Competitivity? Playing for fun? Both those factors are still there and if you dont like it you can still GVG instead.

Competitivity is not even a word but I know what you mean and you're totally nuts. Yeah some real "competitivity" in "I can spam Searing Flames + Glowing Gaze and control my Heroes better than you!" If you honestly think HA is more competitive now with heroes and gay holding builds than you're a total idiot, its as simple as that. Facing Bot after Bot, pwning them cuz your monks brought Mantra of Flame is a total joke. The fact that you can solo HA with 5 bots already makes it a total joke.

Heroes are not better than real players in any way except for reflexes with interrupts. They cant respond to you, they dont know what an appropriate skill would be to use in a certain situation, they use skills that cause blind on monks etc.

The fun factor is gone as 80% of teams are 1 human and 5 worthless bots, or something close to it and the other 20% holding/defensive builds that take like 15 mins to beat. This take all the fun right out, why do you think so many top guilds have quit HA and some even GW because of this hero bullshit.

EVERYONE prefers doing GvG over HA, the only thing is, in case you didnt know, you cant GvG whenever the hell you want unlike HA.

And from what I understood about your comments about HA, you're playing it ONLY for the fame, and whats your fame for? After winning UW 5000 times spamming SF, Glowing with Acolyte Sousuke and Zhed Shadowhoof, half the time facing teams that are the same thing exactly, what are you gonna do with your fame? Did you have fun getting it? You complain about high ranked players and you're playing HA only for fame so you can just spam your gay emote which everyone is sick of already.