Curse

Jetstream · Nov 24, 2006, 03:20 AM // 03:20

http://gwshack.us/09df0

Edited version http://gwshack.us/b7f60

Attempt at a pressure build combining melee pressure, conditions, hexes and e-denial to force the emeny into making mistakes.

Basically the sin runs around pressuring 1 monk with weapon of fury on him to increase energy and adrenline for spamming fear me. Ancestors visage also to be primarily for use on sin so warriors cant target him without further impeding there monks energy loss and cant adren spike him.
Warrior runs around with war mongers weapon targetting other monk primarily or can target whatever is causing problems for the teams defense if needed.
Second rit has keeps weapon of quickening on rit 1 and mesmer bossting there performance and has defensive spells to helpout monks. Weapon of shadow is great for getting your runner to the flag stand relitively free from melle pressure.
Monks have siphon speed to help them vs enemy melee pressure which hoefully will stretch the hex removal with 4 siphon speeds and a mind wrack all spammable spread on various targets hex removal will be almost futile.

Havent actually tried it yet as the guild is inactive at the moment so all thoughts and ideas welcome.

Thomas.knbk · Nov 24, 2006, 08:44 AM // 08:44

Yay! shattering Assault!
I'm not really sure about Ancestor's Visage. What are you going to use that for?
Why do you have Siphon Speed on your monks instead of Return?
The frontline, and the fact you have Eburn and Spiritual Pain on the mesmer, looks more like something for a spike than pressure. A Dragon Slash warrior (or a thumper) would be a lot more pressure.
I suggest [skill]Dragon Slash[/skill][skill]Sever Artery[/skill][skill]Gash[/skill][skill]Sun and Moon Slash[/skill][skill]Protector's Strike[/skill][skill]Frenzy[/skill][skill]Sprint[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]for the war if you wanna go pressure, unless you plan to gank with him, in which case you'll need a heal sig. Atts should be 16 sword 13 strength. I kind of like the rit midline. It's some decent utility you got there, and nice dmg as well (through spirit burn and essence strike).

Seamus Finn · Nov 24, 2006, 09:03 AM // 09:03

a divert hexes on a decent monk on an opposing team and you sin is useless. The idea isn't bad, but honestly, it would have been way better last season. Pressure sucks in the current metagame where monks have infinate energy. They can make a bundle of mistakes, they'll still have energy if they Blight to get rid of blinds!

JR · Nov 24, 2006, 03:45 PM // 15:45

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Originally Posted by Thomas.knbk

[skill]Dragon Slash[/skill][skill]Sever Artery[/skill][skill]Gash[/skill][skill]Sun and Moon Slash[/skill][skill]Protector's Strike[/skill][skill]Frenzy[/skill][skill]Sprint[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

Rush please, more Prot Strike and Frenzy spam!

Patccmoi · Nov 24, 2006, 04:26 PM // 16:26

That's funny, you have a pretty similar build to what we're running. All the same prof, though somewhat different skills. And here i was thinking we were original =p

I'm really not sure EDrain is worth it on the Mesmer. It only steals 1 more than Energy Tap at 10 insp and taking your elite slot.

I think you're really more spike than pressure. Honestly the pressure is relatively low. Since you have Weapon of Fury, you could go for Crit Chop-Decapitate on the war. It recharges really fast with that on your back and it's a better spike. Warmonger is one of my fav skills since a while though ^^

Jetstream · Nov 24, 2006, 10:14 PM // 22:14

Ancestors Visage was in there because i wanted a sin for faster attack speed and lack of other andrenline skills for maximum value on fear me. Although i get sick of warriors picking on my sins so i thought this might stop them.

Siphon speed on the monks was so that you have four characters spamming a 5 second recharge hex on 4 different targets. Divert hexes is very powerful but even that can only remove one of the four every 5 seconds.

Originally thought about a similar sword warrior but ended using the axe to fit in siphon speed.

Have only guested a couple of times this season so not sure about the energy factor and paragons. If it really is that bad then there is little point playing pressure. Although seeing the number of teleporting warriors lately im guessing pressure really is out of favor.

If edrain is bad then possibly swap edrain for e-surge and maybe shame for etap. Would the mesmer have the enrgy required then factoring in weapon of quickening up hopefully a lot of the time. Ill keep a look for your guild on obs mode to see how you guys run it. (no doubt better then my guild could hope too.)

Thomas.knbk · Nov 24, 2006, 10:23 PM // 22:23

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Originally Posted by Jetstream

Ancestors Visage was in there because i wanted a sin for faster attack speed and lack of other andrenline skills for maximum value on fear me. Although i get sick of warriors picking on my sins so i thought this might stop them.

Mind explaining how Ancestor's Visage helps your sin get adrenaline??

Jetstream · Nov 24, 2006, 11:15 PM // 23:15

Communication never was my strong point but what i meant was the sins gains adren faster than a warrior with its faster attack speed and doesnt need adren for anything else, Giving it the edge over a warrior. Ancestors visage was to hopefully stop the other teams warriors beating up and charging there adren on my sin.

Patccmoi · Nov 25, 2006, 12:02 AM // 00:02

It's not a bad idea overall but with the abundance of Dom Mesmers it's more likely to be a Shatter Enchant bait than anything else too.

But i agree that Fear Me! is just not worth it with Motivation Paragons. The energy gain IS that bad.

Playing pressure isn't necessarily bad because the strength of a pressure team is that when a team starts cracking you can often wipe them or pressure them hard to gain a position advantage (like flag control, etc.). Paragons however ARE making pressure really hard so at least make sure you have a solid spike that can go through their defense (well, likely not Incoming! but that's not up all the time) somewhere in your pressure.

If i were you i'd replace Fear Me! by Watch Yourself! on sin. Will make him a lot less of a softie and with Earshot range it's likely to cover your midline too.

Thomas.knbk · Nov 25, 2006, 08:36 AM // 08:36

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Originally Posted by JR-

Rush please, more Prot Strike and Frenzy spam!

Fine
[skill]Dragon Slash[/skill][skill]Sever Artery[/skill][skill]Gash[/skill][skill]Sun and Moon Slash[/skill][skill]Protector's Strike[/skill][skill]Frenzy[/skill][skill]Rush[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]
BTW, this GWBBcode is awesome. I wish now that it's finally here more people would use it. Is there any way to include attributes in the skills? [skill]Dragon [email protected][/skill] doesn't work...

Lightbulb · Nov 26, 2006, 10:57 PM // 22:57

[build prof=w/a name="" desc="" axe=12+1+3 tac=8+1 str=8+1 dead=7]
[Eviscerate][Executioner's Strike][Protector's Strike][Siphon Speed][Frenzy][Healing Signet][Sprint][Resurrection Signet][/build]

Does that work? Guess not. I wish every site used the same syntext...

I Brother Bloood I · Nov 27, 2006, 02:44 AM // 02:44

E Surge > E Drain on ur mesmer. Maybe Scrap Mind Wrack for drain enchantment. No self heal on sin would make shadow of haste better than siphon speed but then ur whole combo is messed up. Your rits are very weapon heavy u have to remember they dont stack. The war has 5 of 8 skills as healing or utility thats somewhat heavy for a dmg dealer. I suggest taking him out for a Shadow prison war. Shadow Prison, Frenzy, Dismember, Crit Chop, Executioners Strike, protecters strike, heal sig, res sig.

Thomas.knbk · Nov 27, 2006, 08:01 AM // 08:01

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Originally Posted by Lightbulb

[build prof=w/a name="" desc="" axe=12+1+3 tac=8+1 str=8+1 dead=7]
[Eviscerate][Executioner's Strike][Protector's Strike][Siphon Speed][Frenzy][Healing Signet][Sprint][Resurrection Signet][/build]

Does that work? Guess not. I wish every site used the same syntext...

No, you have to type [skill]Dragon Slash[/skill] for every skill. The one GWshack uses is better yes, but this one's ok.

Jetstream · Nov 30, 2006, 11:22 PM // 23:22

http://gwshack.us/b7f60

Changed it around some dropped the sin for the sword pressure warrior who should be even better with weapon of fury. Changed the mes from e-denial to diversion spam. Not sure if the dervish or the warrior would be better as a linebacker. Probably the Dervish but the warrior could do more damage if and when you start to break the other team. Monks and Mesmer have dark escape making them hard to spike and the rit can keep vital weapon on himself making him harder to spike. Axe warrior can spike with the rit and mesmer while the others stick to there pressure.