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Mo Joe Joe Joe · Oct 19, 2006, 12:27 AM // 00:27

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Originally Posted by ZiegDivine

So ... if I think that running bspike is lame that makes me a scrub? Okay ... if I'm such a scrub, how come the team I was in flawlessed O Azn O (yes, he was running bspike) a couple days ago with me monking? Talk about clueless ... (btw, I'm not trying to start a flamewar with you JR, I just don't agree with you on that)

I doubt if anyone is terribly impressed by you flawlessing a bspike even against AZN. If you can say I have never been beat by a bloodspike EVER, then perhaps we would be impressed.

But perhaps scrub is a bit zealous of a term. But maybe, you could be less condemning of what others choose to play. If a build is successfull for you then run it "Play to WIN." If you do not like a build, simply do not run it. No need to flame those that do. If everyone ran "balanced builds," I would not enjoy HA anymore, would you???

ZiegDivine · Oct 19, 2006, 12:39 AM // 00:39

I didn't flame anybody for running bspike, I just think running it is lame. I was in a bspiking guild for a while (Sour Patch Kids [sP]), it was a total blast. I never flamed him, I never said he was a bad player for running it, it's just my OPINION that it's lame to play bspike in HA as it gets beaten very easily, and honestly for me, it's not very fun anymore.

Mo Joe Joe Joe · Oct 19, 2006, 12:52 AM // 00:52

I guess calling someone's build lame is not a flame. Sorry for my overstatement.

I am curious, would you rather everyone ran balanced? Perhaps anet should start a new arena that only balanced teams can play ...

ZiegDivine · Oct 19, 2006, 12:59 AM // 00:59

The only thing that I hate seeing is henchway. If I see VIM or bspike, I just think it's lame, not really a big deal though. Would be kind of fun if everybody ran balanced ... although there's no real way to determine what IS balanced.

Thom Bangalter · Oct 19, 2006, 01:11 AM // 01:11

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Originally Posted by JR-

That post is relating to GvG, not HA. You don't want to run spike in GvG because it is inflexible and can be fairly easily outplayed by smart opponents, in HA that does not matter. A lot of the better builds for HA are (were?) spike, in terms of holding power and efficiency/speed in cutting through other teams.

As for what is acceptable? Whatever wins, and has the ability to hold. Ignore people that call builds like this "lame" or "cheap", because they are simply clueless scrubs.

were. Spike is pretty dead now. And blood spike was never all that good, it could just hold really well. The spikes were slow and fairly easy to infuse, and grinding fame with it could take a while.

Then again, the quality of teams in HA has always been fairly poor, so anything works.

tomcruisejr · Oct 19, 2006, 04:14 AM // 04:14

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Originally Posted by phasola

just play vim enough maybe u'll get to gotw :O

1) gather your vimway buddies
2) play vimway and try to win with vimway
3) do "undoable" things with vimway
4) be the best vimway guild there is

and your VimWay guild in gotw is 2 thumbs up

Thom Bangalter · Oct 19, 2006, 04:28 AM // 04:28

I thought MATH was IWAY, not VimWay. Additionally, I'm pretty sure they can play other things. Candy Girl was an excellent water runner when she guested for some random guild I was in, and I played balanced with math during the double fame weekend, and we had a good run, despite getting constantly ganked because their guild name was popping up.

However, let's try to not make this into a iway flame thread, because somehow any post in these forums turns into it for no apparent reason. Good thing You took your guild name out of your personal info syra.

tomcruisejr · Oct 19, 2006, 05:42 AM // 05:42

I honestly want a VimWay guild getting to gotw.

anyways, there is no lame build. there is no unacceptable build. lameness is relative and it's all in your mind. what you wanna play, play it. (im not still a fan of pure spikes tho:P). wanna play drok's runner or invinci runner in the tombs and just run around and wait for your opponents to rage quit? sure you can. its not lame. you're winning by submission. win is a win. lame win = "honorable/skilled/leetsauce" win.

and yep thom. info on profile is flame/lockthread magnet. hush hush

Apple · Oct 19, 2006, 05:54 AM // 05:54

I normally am one to say ViM is nub, but a few days ago I faced a rank 9 ViM and they actually ADRENAL SPIKED with the warriors. I was NOT expecting it whatsoever, but we still won. It does kinda show that not everyone running ViM is nub. It still kind of escapes me WHY they would run it though :s
And tomcruisejr, I notice you've actually REMOVED your MATH tag. You're normally so proud of your IWAY nubbiness...

tomcruisejr · Oct 19, 2006, 05:59 AM // 05:59

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Originally Posted by [Apple]

And tomcruisejr, I notice you've actually REMOVED your MATH tag. You're normally so proud of your IWAY nubbiness...

no need to put. i wanna lie low coz now we achieved our aim that we've been trying to achieve since december '05.

yes, and im still proud of my IWAY nub-ness.

Program Ftw · Oct 19, 2006, 11:28 AM // 11:28

Eh, lay off IWAY, it was designed to farm noobs, so if you're complaining I guess it did it's job

Julen · Oct 19, 2006, 03:13 PM // 15:13

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Originally Posted by Thomas.knbk

I LOVE henchway. They're literally free fame

ofcourse its free fame. It's just annoying to play yet another henchway. If i wanted to farm henchies id be in one of those zaishen arena's. I prefer to play real teams (even though henchway is still better then a whole bunch of real teams)

Yunas Ele · Oct 19, 2006, 08:32 PM // 20:32

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Originally Posted by The Real Roy Keane

Yes, it's generally when you win that you get the most flaming. I just don't understand how it can be so hard to type 'gg' when you're beaten fair and square.

QFT.

As someone who was fairly well known for IWAYing (meaning I get flamed to death), I'd say about 95%+ of the people that flame me because they lose to my teams. That, or they just flame IWAY to "fit in" and "be cool". One time I was PvEing and then this guy is like "KICK YUNAS HE CAN ONLY C+SPACE LIKE TEH IWAY NUB HE IS!1111". Anyways, I started talking to the guy and turns out he didn't have Heroes Ascent on his map yet... People need a build to hate on it. And like you stated in your first post, since IWAY is gone, people need to find something new to flame. This doesn't just go on in GW too too, look at real life. First it was black people that were the "lowlings", then it was gay people, now its homeless people. 60 Minutes did a thing on this if you want more info o0 but I guess I'm going off topic....

Anyways, as I was saying, like 95%+ of the people just hate it because they lose to it. Honestly, very few people who talk trash to me (and IWAY in general) have actually beaten my teams fairly (ganking 2v1 doesn't count). People blow it off like "oh ya, I'm just tired of facing IWAY thats why I **** and whine about it". Unless you fall into those 5% that can consistently beat IWAY, then fair enough I'll believe that, but otherwise I think its more like "I'm just tired of getting my ass handed to me by IWAY".

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Originally Posted by JeremyC1234

Play whatever build you want. Guildwars gives the same skills to everyone to use and make what you want. Don't be bothered by people that call you a noob if you beat them in 1:30. They are just furious you beat them and want to discourage you from running your successful build, so you don't beat them again.

QFT! Couldn't of said it better myself.

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Originally Posted by Nurse With Wound

LOL

MATH gotw. give me a break lmao.

Best part was when they lost gvg to our smurf and started flaming us... I wont post the screens, cause I'm such a nice person.

You obviously don't know much about gotw. gotw is really based pretty much on two criteria. 1) that you've been around a long time and 2) that you're dedicated. MATH falls under both of those catagories, so I'm failing to see whats wrong with them getting it. In no way is gotw saying that their guild is 1337 or anything... (not to say MATH isn't 1337 either, not going to argue about any of that, I'll leave MATH to fight their own battles).

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Originally Posted by ZiegDivine

how come the team I was in flawlessed O Azn O (yes, he was running bspike) a couple days ago with me monking?

Not trying to flame you here or anything, but just letting you know that thats really not much of an accomplishment. Seriously, he just runs around the map for as long as he can, spiking maybe once every other minute. Put snares on them, pressure the snared targets. Interupt and infuse and heal the infuser on the rare occasion that they attempt to spike. Actually scratch that part about healing your infuser. You're infuser will be fully healed by natural regen before Azn's next spike lands. What a difficult match... The only time I didn't flawless him (still won though) was because our only character with snares errored, so naturally the running game lasted a hell of a lot longer. After a 30+ min running game, it was like 4am so our interupters weren't consistently interupting and our infuser had nearly fallen asleep on his keyboard. It was on that day that I discovered why B-Spike plays the running game. No, not to avoid pressure or anything like that, simply to make your infuser fall asleep so they might luck out and get some kills.

That being said, let Azn play b-spike. He payed for the game, let him play it how he wants. I will resign if the build only has 1 char with snares and that snare character errors, thus avoiding the frustration of a 30+ min running game.

(not all of that is really related to your quote, I just went off on a rant ~.~)

phasola · Oct 19, 2006, 09:16 PM // 21:16

unrelated

Thom Bangalter · Oct 19, 2006, 09:17 PM // 21:17

I believe I gave you some good natured flaming outside the "Closer to The stars" mission when you were on your ranger Yuna. I have never had the luxury of actually playing one of your teams, besides relic run maps, and iway was the king of relic run maps.

We can flame shit all day, but what it comes down to is outplaying your opponent, or at the very least outbuilding them.

I agree with the point yuna tried to make about iway players being the scapegoat of the gw community. You have to hate on something, so why not be the builds that are easy to pug?

I've never Iwayed myself, because beyond the obvious groups they're all pretty terrible to be honest. You can see a huge difference between the quality of a r6+pug iway, and the MATH Iways and Yuna's teams. I'll shit on a lot of Iway teams because they're bad, but if they run the build well, that speaks to the quality of the players.

ZiegDivine · Oct 19, 2006, 09:39 PM // 21:39

Yuna, you might play PvE well, but I've played with a MATH member in PvE ... the guy liked to tank more than the warrior. Maybe not ALL iwayers over-extend as necros and expect to be at full health, but this guy did... (yes, it was the real MATH, he flashed his phoenix).

Yunas Ele · Oct 19, 2006, 10:15 PM // 22:15

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Originally Posted by phasola

unrelated

A nice example of all the random flaming I get. I've had sore losers spam in id1 for hours stuff about me but I really don't care about my reputation on the internet ~.~

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Originally Posted by Thom Bangalter

I believe I gave you some good natured flaming outside the "Closer to The stars" mission when you were on your ranger Yuna.

If that was flaming then natures renewal isn't fat. In other words it wasn't flaming

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Originally Posted by ZiegDivine

Yuna, you might play PvE well, but I've played with a MATH member in PvE ... the guy liked to tank more than the warrior. Maybe not ALL iwayers over-extend as necros and expect to be at full health, but this guy did... (yes, it was the real MATH, he flashed his phoenix).

Hm. I'm not really saying MATH or IWAYers are good at PvE, although some of them are. My point is that a lot of the IWAY hate is really just because people need something to hate on. In the example I provided, the guy had not yet seen me PvE (we ended up getting masters reward with no struggles what so ever), hadn't even seen me PvP, heck he didn't seem to know what Heroes Ascent was, yet he just trash talked me for IWAYing because people need something to blame on. See my other post for more details...

ZiegDivine · Oct 19, 2006, 10:30 PM // 22:30

Yea, I gotcha, just pointing something out. Honesty I have no problems with IWAY as a build, I know a few people who iwayed their r9, and at most I'll tease them about it. I agree that a lot of people who hate IWAY just need something to hate ... but then again I AM a hater

tomcruisejr · Oct 20, 2006, 01:30 PM // 13:30

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Originally Posted by Nurse With Wound

Best part was when they lost gvg to our smurf and started flaming us... I wont post the screens, cause I'm such a nice person.

"started flaming"?

win or lose, if we got flamed first, we usually flame back. otherwise, you'll see no message in your screen from us.

Thomas.knbk · Oct 20, 2006, 02:17 PM // 14:17

why were my posts about henchway being free fame removed?