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Nov 20, 2006, 07:51 PM // 19:51
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Academy Page
Join Date: Jun 2006
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tourney only ladder
I don't like going into a tournament season on a ladder filled with the following teams:
1) rank 1000+ teams with level 13 pves trying to figure out how to open their own gate, long enough for us to cata them. 2) rank 500 or so obviously casual teams, that just copy builds and run around with out a plan trying to force a VoD ( especially after you whoop them 8v8 in 2 minutes) cause thats good "tactics." 3) pugs, I don't think alliance pugs that serve the same role as a smurf belong on a tourney ladder. Smurfs, don't either. Anet need to stop making excuses and enforce their rules, any FPS ladder that ends in money, has a client id and ip check, and eliminates almost 100% over time, and if you violate the rules you get 60 month ban (or more) to all accounts. for example, It sucks to lose a whole night of gaming cause you get a -25 to a pug made from the a few of the best guilds in the top ten. Only to get +4's when you try to recover. Why am I fighting a team in gvg when they have 2000 less rank then we do? Why am I fighting super under ranked pugs, filled with the best players in the game? If you want GW to expand to other leagues (or just to be taken seriously) with money prizes you need some proof that it can support the rules that every other competitive money game can. I would rather play a lower number of more meaningful matches with the option of playing on an open ladder, but I don't want non-registered players playing on the tourney ladder, and I want the tourney ladder policed by anet, as we all know is possible, with a better tighter, matching system. I'd rather wait 10 minutes to play some one good, and have a fun game I can learn from, then play 2 really low ranked teams and 1 good one in the same time. P.S. I want picture in picture for GvG obs mode, and a record button (what competitive game in the past 6 years doesn't have this?) 
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Nov 21, 2006, 07:41 AM // 07:41
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Jungle Guide
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: UK
Guild: Charr Women [hawt]
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We have lost about 50 points this season to PUGs and smurfs (those guys over at #gwp need to find something else to do imo
 ).Presumably its the same for everyone If it is the same for all the "real" teams then does it matter? If all the real teams are similarly disadvantaged, and all the smurfs and PUGs ultimately disqualified from the tournament, then isnt the nett result the same as if those smurfs and PUGS werent on the ladder? IIRC the rating match system used to be much tighter, and all the top teams complained at long, long waits between matches, with 20-30 minutes not being unusual, and that they would rather play for practically no points than to spend all night in the Guild Hall. Casual teams cluttering up the ladder? Should be easy points then shouldnt it? Record button for obs mode would be ftw, although fraps does the same job. |
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Nov 21, 2006, 07:52 AM // 07:52
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Grindin'
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: MO
Profession: E/Mo
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Even though petitions are teh lame, I'm all for record buttons on observer matches. Would eliminate the need for fraps. |
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Nov 21, 2006, 08:15 AM // 08:15
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I'm back?
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Here.
Guild: Delta Formation [DF]
Profession: W/E
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Nov 21, 2006, 08:17 AM // 08:17
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Re:tired
Join Date: Nov 2005
Profession: W/
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We took -25 the other night to a Japanese PuG. Admittedly we sucked and shouldn't have lost, but the rating change was definately not in proportion to the players in the PuG.
It happens, there is smurfing all the way up and down the ladder. You see it slightly less at the top, but it hits you harder when you do mess up. I don't honestly mind, I PuG a fair bit outside of guild GvG - and play against PuGs a lot. Generally it is just people looking to have a good time. |
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Nov 21, 2006, 08:38 AM // 08:38
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Grindin'
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: MO
Profession: E/Mo
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Of course, you could have some pug or smurf gunning to tank you. All I know is, when I see a r130 guild, I'm not a fan of seeing Im A Paladin in it.
But it's hard to draw the line. Maybe the guild is some upstart getting good guests to help them improve as players. Maybe it's a guild testing a build. Maybe it's a pug or a smurf. If it's a smurf, I think the noble thing to do is to /resign if you're going to tank someone gunning for a tournament slot. If it's a guild getting good guests to improve, then I suppose suck it up and take the loss. Things are always so gray.... |
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Nov 21, 2006, 01:01 PM // 13:01
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Lion's Arch Merchant
Join Date: Jul 2006
Guild: Carebear Club [wuv]
Profession: R/
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Nov 21, 2006, 01:24 PM // 13:24
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: UK, Scotland
Guild: Il Guild Name Il
Profession: W/
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Well stop complaining i am in a good guild well... ok guild and we dont GvG much meaning when we do we usally swipe a 20 rating from some unlucky top 30 guild same happens to us when were there.. its how it wokrs get over it.
The system works they way it does and shouldnt be changed in my opinion because usally change is for the worst. However being able to record matches and save them to YOUR computer through Guild Wars itsself would be very nice kind of like the saving builds and equipment works. Last edited by The Silver Star; Nov 21, 2006 at 01:27 PM // 13:27.. |
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Nov 21, 2006, 06:38 PM // 18:38
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Sep 2006
Guild: Bubblegum Dragons
Profession: Mo/E
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There is one point a lot of people don't understand.
Why are you fighting guilds with 2000 rank difference? Because there is noone else. You can't have a guild near you always ALSO looking for a guild. All guilds have different playtimes. However, if there are people near you gvging, they're probably already fighting. You can't matchup people that are already in a gvg. Now, I see only 1 solution. If there are no people with a max change of x% looking for a group (this should change accordingly to where you are on the ladder, obviously), it should check whether there are any groups of 8 in your rank area, and wait if there are any. The wait shouldn't be very long, but make it much more possible to find guilds near you. |
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Nov 21, 2006, 06:54 PM // 18:54
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Jungle Guide
Join Date: Nov 2005
Guild: Hoser Down[HD]
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If theirs another similarly ranked team, I believe you should be able to play them; however, I would rather play some other team then wait around 20minutes because theirs no teams entering around your range.
Losing to smurfs do suck tho =/ -23 to a cow smurf a while ago. Definately could use a record feature. Unfortunately I run on a laptop tahts not particularly high end so if I used fraps id lag far to much during gvg. |
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Nov 22, 2006, 06:12 AM // 06:12
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Jungle Guide
Join Date: Apr 2005
Guild: aFk
Profession: Me/Rt
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I blame the increase of pugs upon the invention of teleway. But pugs happen I just wish you could decide a teams rating loss from the guilds in the opposing team or something. Losing to Im Stuck Lollllllllllllllllllllllww or whatever on its first match was pretty bad.
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Nov 23, 2006, 08:49 AM // 08:49
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Apr 2006
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Smurfs suck, nothing worse than tanking your rating/rank at the end of a season because of allaince smurfs.
btw, I'm 100% for recordign stuff, if its anything like saving a reply was in Warcraft Im down. Good for yourself, and a good way to learn from guilds like iQ or QQ that might post them somewhere. |
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Nov 23, 2006, 11:16 AM // 11:16
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Lion's Arch Merchant
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: The Netherlands
Guild: Lightning Strikes Twice
Profession: Mo/
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Have you ever considered looking from the other side? guild struggling up from rank 2000 to the top 1000 that encounter a top 100 guild?
I rather play then wait for an equally ranked guild. Yesterday we got a ranked 1900 guild against us (with us in the 400s) and after that we got a similar ranked guild... (only 3 places apart) tbh we had more troubles with the 1900 guild... why? they pull out unexpected things, a feeling of: "they are noobs, we win..." they dont belong on that rank? I really dont know..probably all of it together (the 2 aegises, the paragon, 2 monks, water hexer and necro anti-warrior might have something to do with it If you dont like to fight "low level" teams, wipe them in 2 mins, so your keyboard is warmed up...if you cant break them so fast... improve... The system is now like this: you play some meaningfull matches and some that doesnt match... you want: some meaningfull matches and nothing else... sorry I chose for the first...gives me something to do...at an higher level then RA can offer me |
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Nov 23, 2006, 01:49 PM // 13:49
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Lion's Arch Merchant
Join Date: Jul 2006
Guild: Carebear Club [wuv]
Profession: R/
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That reminds me, JR-, Bestial Mauling > Poisonous Bite! |
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Nov 24, 2006, 05:56 AM // 05:56
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: East Compton
Guild: Ominous Latin Name [tag]
Profession: Mo/N
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most pugs are annoying and are just there to make your life miserable and prolong all matches to VoD D:
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Nov 27, 2006, 06:54 PM // 18:54
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: MN
Guild: Wart Machine [Dojismom]
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How does Pally have time to pug when he has to chill by the waterfall with his pixel princess?
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Nov 27, 2006, 07:36 PM // 19:36
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I'm back?
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Here.
Guild: Delta Formation [DF]
Profession: W/E
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Nov 27, 2006, 07:54 PM // 19:54
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Grindin'
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: MO
Profession: E/Mo
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The metagame is terrible right now. That's all I have to say. paragons are so rediculously powerful, that the only way to kill things is spiking. My guild prefers the obs flame variety, others prefer to have Warriors or something in their build and do eurospike. Pressure is worthless these days.
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Nov 27, 2006, 08:37 PM // 20:37
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: Jun 2006
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BS!!! Searing Flames is teh 1337 GvG pressure!!!
Although paragons do screw us over... gonna run gay meta 2 mes spike to get to play-offs |
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Nov 27, 2006, 08:45 PM // 20:45
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Banned
Join Date: Nov 2005
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