Curse

warriorsmiley · Dec 29, 2006, 10:06 PM // 22:06

At 11 healing word heals for 63 and orison heals for 57 so wasting my elite on 6 more hp isnt worth it. Orison recharges twice as fast but has a slightly longer cast time simply put WOH isnt worth an elite slot. Then again looking at the elites that are core and Prophecies only there isnt really anything worth taking from the monk line other then Restore condition. I would much rather run E-management over WOH.

Drewfense · Dec 29, 2006, 10:07 PM // 22:07

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Originally Posted by Bankai

If Channeling works in Gvg, you already phail as a monk.

Grrr! This comes up so often, it feels like talking to a wall. People are used to Channeling in a HA altar map and think anything less than 10 +1s means it is not worth bringing, but thats just utter garbage.

Versus a balanced 2 warrior build, you can get consistant +2s from Channeling. What makes Channeling nice though is that versus heavy pressure builds (when you need the energy), Channeling kicks in to give more energy. 3-4 melee, thumpers, et cetera will quickly make Channeling far exceed any other energy management. The only negative of Channeling is that it is weak in the current meta with Grenth's dervishes and it is only energy management (unlike a PDrain, there is no extra benefit beyond a cover enchant).

Before ninja monks, EviL consistantly ran two BLights with Channeling (impart due to the prevalence of thump n'smite). Until Grenth dervishes become common, QQ has always favored a boon prot with channeling playing as an "up monk." Actually in the QQ versus iQ matches, I think Tom's use of Channeling should have won QQ the tourny.

shardfenix · Dec 29, 2006, 10:36 PM // 22:36

Boon prots are hard to play in PvP because all of their energy management skills have been nerfed. If you find a way to manage your energy, go for it.

Bankai · Dec 29, 2006, 10:43 PM // 22:43

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Originally Posted by Drewfense

Grrr! This comes up so often, it feels like talking to a wall. People are used to Channeling in a HA altar map and think anything less than 10 +1s means it is not worth bringing, but thats just utter garbage.

Versus a balanced 2 warrior build, you can get consistant +2s from Channeling. What makes Channeling nice though is that versus heavy pressure builds (when you need the energy), Channeling kicks in to give more energy. 3-4 melee, thumpers, et cetera will quickly make Channeling far exceed any other energy management. The only negative of Channeling is that it is weak in the current meta with Grenth's dervishes and it is only energy management (unlike a PDrain, there is no extra benefit beyond a cover enchant).

Before ninja monks, EviL consistantly ran two BLights with Channeling (impart due to the prevalence of thump n'smite). Until Grenth dervishes become common, QQ has always favored a boon prot with channeling playing as an "up monk." Actually in the QQ versus iQ matches, I think Tom's use of Channeling should have won QQ the tourny.

I kind of rectified my statement earlier.

JR · Dec 29, 2006, 11:05 PM // 23:05

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Originally Posted by Drewfense

Before ninja monks, EviL consistantly ran two BLights with Channeling (impart due to the prevalence of thump n'smite). Until Grenth dervishes become common, QQ has always favored a boon prot with channeling playing as an "up monk." Actually in the QQ versus iQ matches, I think Tom's use of Channeling should have won QQ the tourny.

I have watched 'top monks' like Tom use Channeling, spend the 5 energy to put it up, and get maybe seven or eight hits on it before they need to put it up again. Yes, against multiple thumpers with pets it can be effective - but otherwise I really do think it simply isn't worth it. It's the same as when Soul Wedding ran Power Drain and it became temporarily very popular, and I had many laughs in Observer Mode watching good monks consistently miss with it.

The simple fact is there are far, far better ways to use your secondary.

Shendaar · Dec 29, 2006, 11:56 PM // 23:56

I wouldn't run boon-prot because if you end up against a team with 1 or more Grenth Dervish you are toast.

Kyune · Dec 30, 2006, 12:23 AM // 00:23

Maybe it's the meds from my surgery earlier today to have my wisdom teeth removed talking, but what about defender's zeal?

I realize it's not prophecies but with regards to boon... with a return of two energy per hit and scaling affecting the duration, it seems like it might have some niche use given that returns can occur relatively fast along with options to stick on an NPC or pet for easy energy.

Dannzzigg · Dec 30, 2006, 01:14 AM // 01:14

Thanks for all the insight. Something that was perhaps overlooked in all the discussion is that this is the only member of our GvG team whi is prophecies only, so he will be complemented by another monk with a much wider field of skills to choose from.

What we are currently considering, and will likely run with, is an RC build for the proph only character and a BLight build for the other monk, probably complimented by a LoD monk-runner.

Thanks all!

Greedy Gus · Dec 30, 2006, 01:21 AM // 01:21

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Originally Posted by Kyune

Maybe it's the meds from my surgery earlier today to have my wisdom teeth removed talking, but what about defender's zeal?

I realize it's not prophecies but with regards to boon... with a return of two energy per hit and scaling affecting the duration, it seems like it might have some niche use given that returns can occur relatively fast along with options to stick on an NPC or pet for easy energy.

I ran def zeal boon prot for awhile in RA to farm faction after NF release, and it worked pretty well.

If you are going to run a rit spammer, another option is Mo/Rt boon prot using offering of spirit just like a Mo/N OoB. Hard to justify with boon & cop being nerfed though, but if you want fast powered RoF heals like the old days it still works.

Drewfense · Dec 30, 2006, 04:44 AM // 04:44

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Originally Posted by JR-

It's the same as when Soul Wedding ran Power Drain and it became temporarily very popular, and I had many laughs in Observer Mode watching good monks consistently miss with it.

And then there are times when a monk PDrains a Shield of Absorption :P

<3

JR · Dec 30, 2006, 04:46 AM // 04:46

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Originally Posted by Drewfense

And then there are times when a monk PDrains a Shield of Absorption :P

<3

I think I just got owned.

Royale · Dec 30, 2006, 06:10 AM // 06:10

Just more micromanagement needed with current booners. Can't keep your Boon up 24/7 while still maintaining decent energy efficiency. Well I guess you can if you're running Channeling and hanging around your midline. Not always the smartest thing to do.

I still like booners a lot, but they kind of lack the overall utility skills you can throw on monks running BL, RC, etc.

RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO P-Drain. Go ahead and use it if you think you have a huge wang.

Bankai · Dec 30, 2006, 08:56 AM // 08:56

I don't like Defender's zeal. It sounded good when I saw it first, but it's horrible. If you're up against a team without melees (like, the hundreds of SF teams) you're screwed, and it can only be used in a hex heavy build (Warrior: Monk, this other monk is trying to get energy. HAX REMOVAL).

dgb · Dec 30, 2006, 05:37 PM // 17:37

No, they aren't. A pointless nerf if there ever was one, it was probably the thing that tipped me over towards giving up on Guild Wars. I can monk well with nearly all builds, but I loved playing the boon prot. Then despite it being by far in the minority of monks at the time, having been repeatedly nerfed, they decided to obliterate it.

It just seemed an utterly pointless nerf - to me it showed how out of touch A-Net really was.

Manfred · Dec 30, 2006, 06:58 PM // 18:58

:O I've got it! Glyph of renewal+divine spirit!

I'm such a genius.

Drewfense · Dec 30, 2006, 07:22 PM // 19:22

I agree, I thought the boon prot was in good balance with BLight (and similar style prot monks). The 2 boon prot mantra was disappearing. Nerfing boon and inspiration was overkill. In retrospect, Drain Enchantment and iHex was a little imbalanced, but I think the elites should have been left alone.

Zaz Xax · Dec 30, 2006, 07:51 PM // 19:51

Hey there, i only got proph, and i love to play in TA with my monk. And its not rare that my team gets glads-point with me as the monk..
Here is the setup (Tell me if there is something i have overseen please

)
Attrib:
Inspiration: 10
Protection: 9 (8+1)
Divine: 15 (12+2+1)
My skills are:
1. RoF
2. Guardian
3. Mend condition
4. Signet of Devotion
5. Ihex
6. Energy Drain
7. CoP
8. Divine Boon

I know TA and GvG isnt similar, im just saying that the boon-style is doable.

(Sorry for being a bit off topic, maybe?)

Yue · Dec 30, 2006, 08:03 PM // 20:03

Power drain is probably the leetest shit on a boonprot. It's by far the best energy skill in the game. It has enough return to the point where you can use that as your only energy management skill on the bar (though that's not a good idea). On an MoR bar, you'd could alternate between pd and mor for energy management so that downtime on MoR wouldn't be an issue. If you get mor or edrain diversioned running a boonprot with SoD, you'd have a hard time managing the energy under pressure. PD alleviates that, and against hex builds you have almost unlimited energy (Dual recharge sets on inspiration). Not to mention, you can run it the skill offensively and defensively (taking down diversions, esurge, hexes, etc). If you use it to stop an esurge, not only do you gain the energy, you also don't have to bother healing the damage that would have been dealt. It's has multiple benefits for very little consequences.

I agree with junior that alot of people run it and miss with it all the time, but I'm surprised it wasn't too popular. PD'ing another monk's mor or edrain is classic. Some people just can't run it well, and some can. Those good monks shouldn't be using it if they knew they were going to miss all the time.

And with 10 points in tactics on that RC bar, it might be more preferable to run riposte instead of shield bash. At that point, the riposte damage is pretty attractive.

JR · Dec 30, 2006, 08:11 PM // 20:11

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Originally Posted by Yue

And with 10 points in tactics on that RC bar, it might be more preferable to run riposte instead of shield bash. At that point, the riposte damage is pretty attractive.

Why on earth are you running 10 tactics on an RC Monk?

Seltack · Dec 30, 2006, 09:57 PM // 21:57

No idea why you would but a build with that was posted on page 1.

Use of shield bash/balanced stance was the reason for tactics.