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Jan 11, 2007, 07:03 AM // 07:03
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No power in the verse
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Reaper's and SV hex pressure build
http://gwshack.us/8586e
Pretty commonly found build in TA meta, but with my style attached to the monk and reaper's bars. Overall, the build is low in disruption so if the opposing team's hex removal is strong you need to place your disruption there (i.e. purge signets, convert hexes, divert hexes, holy veil, etc.). If the opposing team is running divert hexes, then you will likely need your thumper on their monk much of the match. To compensate for the minimal amount of disruption, both necros have two self heals so with proper kiting they become very hard to kill from pressure teams. Against spikes, obviously the thumper and N/A are responsible for making sure a spike does not happen. If you absolutely need to fit an enchantment removal into the build (to beat a team of 4 shadow form signet of toxic shock spikers), then add expunge enchantments in place of well of darkness on the N/A. Other viable enchantment removal skills (though they will not help you beat shadow form spike) are rip enchantment, strip enchantment, gaze of contempt, and envenom enchantment. |
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Jan 11, 2007, 10:17 AM // 10:17
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Mar 2006
Guild: The Benecia Renovatio [RenO]
Profession: Mo/
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Nice build.
The only change that I'd make is replacing Bestial Mauling with Distracting Blow. Although Bestial Mauling can be nice for getting kills on people, either by covering Deep Wound, or owning a Monk on a team that has no off-monk removal, I think another quick-reaction type interrupt would be much stronger, because currently, you only can depend on Disrupting Dagger. Disrupting Lunge can be used that way, but it's far from a guarnteed interrupt even on 1s skills, since you have to deal with the pet attack cycle, and the fact pets can be entirely retarded. Besides, against good teams I just don't see Bestial Mauling being a deciding factor in winning a match. |
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Jan 11, 2007, 03:16 PM // 15:16
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ǝuoʞoɯ
Join Date: May 2006
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or just take lunge for distracting blow. =p lunge might be spammable but i never really found it useful in interrupting what i wanted to interrupt.
i dont get the point in draw on your SV support necro. why just not use purge? seeing how the monk has draw and touch, drawing daze off eachother wont be much. signet of lost souls can probably be swapped out on the necro ninja, its not energy heavy at all. also i dont really see the point in siphon speed, id either take deaths retreat over it. i dont like well of darkness seeing how it comes in handy when your scoring skills (which will most likely mean you are winning), or if you are dying (which will result in a loss with or without it), and usually rez sigs pwn it as well. no real point for it in my opinion. but then, theres no key replacement for it either. maybe stick in meekness or something, if you stick with the signet, or take rigor mortis - put it on a monk hiding in wards, etc etc etc. now for the spoil victor..again; try taking shadow strike and blood of the aggressor instead of parasitic and shadow of fear. if you do this, you might as well just use shadow of fear on your reapers for one of the optional spots i explained above. fairly spammable and very annoying damage on the monk when they dont expect it. also nice to finish off targets not doing anything because spoil would kill them~ kicking parasitic however will require in more teamwork between the spoil and reapers to help covering eachothers targets. maybe with the monk changings you'd find place for life siphon. last; id just turn the ZB into a divert hexes. if used right its all you need. you dont really need ZB if you run so many hexes because heavy melee teams would just suicide before they kill or be shut down all day, so basically hexes will be the meanest against you. no purge signet will also make it easier for the necro, giving him more space. so...less talk, ill just make a list of what id run (excluding attributes) Rao, Hammer, Bestial, Crushing, Distracting Blow, Charm, Comfort, Rez Reapers Mark, Faintheartedness, Parasitic Bond, Shadow of Fear, Signet of Lost Souls, Siphon Speed/Enchant removal, Disrupting Dagger, Rez Spoil Victor, Life Siphon, Mark of Subversion, Shadow Strike, Blood of the Aggressor, Signet of Lost Souls, Purge Conditions, Rez Divert Hexes, Gift of Health, Signet of Devotion, Reversal of Fortune, <Soa, PS, SB>, Draw Conditions, Mending Touch, <secondary stuff> the monk is fairly easy to use, but nothing id use anymore since yesterday. (my own crap: DH, Rof, Devo, SB, DrawC, Cop, Soa, VitalBoon <- ya i know nobody will approve it, i didnt either until yesterday, but we've beaten good teams with it, including kame who rolled us before with another build using dual mes blinding, so ya ;p can just say worth a try) last thing i thought of when posting..maybe make the necro ninja /mes with humility <_> its a part of most hex builds, but then the dual interrupts might be enough against the monk i dont know. ;p just my ideas from playing against hexways, put in what killed me more and put out what was fairly useless. (own experiences as monk btw -Moko |
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Jan 11, 2007, 04:25 PM // 16:25
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Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: kansas city, MO
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I agree with Zui on the thumper. You'd have much more control with distracting blow in place of beastial or d lunge.
Swap the secondary roles of the necros imo. Energy management is going to be much better on the Reapers necro and you'll be better off having a lower spec in curses on the SV and higher curses on the Reapers nec. I'd also consider bringing an enchant removal on the SV instead of mark of sub. You have glyph of lesser on a monk with only one 10 energy skill that if used correctly is already excellent energy management.. maybe bring convert hexes instead of purge sig? I realize it's nice to have purge sig to remove migraine, but you have 1 copy already. Get more out of your GoL if you're going to bring it. Quote:
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Well of Darkness is an excellent skill to have in this build. Just because an enemy target dies doesn't mean you have a guaranteed win. If it was a melee that died first, when they get ressed they're a completely cleaned off killing machine that probably has a better idea of which targets to keep pressure on by that point. Getting a well up on a pet's corpse will reduce pressure against thumper teams immensely. If one of your teamates dies when you're playing a melee pressure team, get a well up before you res and watch the match turn in your favor. I was surprised to see siphon speed in this build, mostly because of how good it is. 15 seconds of a slower enemy target(whether it's on a melee for amazing defense, or a monk for amazing offense) and one hell of a kiting necro for only 5 energy/1 second cast time and 5 second cool down. That's just beautiful..... and you want to replace it with death's retreat? Shadow Strike ZB monk > divert hexes in TA. Especially with this build since you'll mostly be trying to keep the thumper clean, which won't be hard to do with purge signet available. Last edited by Absum; Jan 11, 2007 at 04:41 PM // 16:41.. |
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Jan 11, 2007, 05:27 PM // 17:27
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No power in the verse
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Let's put it another way. Say the opposing team has a rampage thumper, two support characters, and a monk. Your team slaps shadow of fear, faintheartedness, siphon speed, and p-bond to cover on both the thumper and his pet. You've just taken away all the adavantages given by the skill rampage as one from both the ranger and the pet. You've actually gone way beyond that in terms of de-buff to attack speed and movement. The ranger now attacks at 50% speed (one hammer swing every 3.4 seconds) which makes it impossible for a crushing blow to land while knocked down. Having the pet attack slower also makes it much harder for it to land a disrupting lunge or a bestial mauling on time. Add on top of this the fact that the thumper and pet are going to have trouble catching up to the players on your team to begin with. I toyed with the idea of going N/E for water snares. Freezing gust is much better in terms of really slowing your opponent, but it is a bit more expensive and the duration is much lower. Ice/tenai's prison were definately options, but the cast time and recharge turned me off for use in TA. On a N/E, the disrupting dagger would have been replaced by gale which is much stronger but I couldn't find a water hex that matched up to siphon speed in terms of the functionality I was looking for. Quote:
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Using convert hexes on the monk instead of purge signet just opens you up to more kinds of interrupts (mesmer ranged spell only interrupts), costs energy, and cannot be used as a free condition removal. The secondary effect of convert hexes (i.e. bonus armor per necro hex removed) is nice but not sufficient enough to justify brining it over purge signet. The only advantage that convert hexes offers over purge signet is that you don't have to weapon swap (introducing further delay) to make effective use of it. Convert hexes is much weaker though against hexes like migraine, backfire, and shame. |
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Jan 11, 2007, 08:48 PM // 20:48
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ǝuoʞoɯ
Join Date: May 2006
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about parastic bond; yeah i know its an awesome cover, but running it on both seems silly to my eyes. its a teambuild afterall, so if the coordination allows it its fine if you run it on one. and i did add life siphon as cover as well, so yeah.
siphon speed: sure its an incredible nice skill, but i just look at it this way. your kiting away from a target that is hexed with spoil victor. wouldnt that make your spoil victor useless if you run and the enemy cant hit you, therefore take no damage? sure, reapers will degen them, but it makes spoil a bit more useless at last. might be useful at the start when theres still attackers to hex, but soon it would become useless in my eyes. deaths retreat helps with healing in a way, and the teleport can screw over a team as well, just as a return on a monk. divert hexes does lack of healing sometimes, so id much rather have a heal over cripple (draw is so common anyways). sols: i DID include it in BOTH necromancer builds i modded later, i just said it would be useless in the builds above, because in my eyes they really are, its like-...too much energy management in my eyes. :< zb+purge against divert: i cant really judge this, ive had lots of success with divert only, without any monk support. i havnt ran a caster in ages, nor have we ever really ran purge signet, so i honestly cant judge what works better. and if you run out of energy as a divert hexer against a hexteam, i dont know what your doing wrong. remove spoil victor right away at the start, most likely taking another cover with it. then, important, dont use it if your target doesnt need the 200 health heal it will supply. :/ if your using divert to constantly remove crappy hexes..aye, go on. veil on divert: no, i carry cop for a reason. conviction: no, waste, costs too much to keep it up. vital boon is just another enchant i picked against migraine, if migraine pops up and i already had boon i got enough time to soa -> cop. disrupting lunge: im either the worst rao ever, or i just hate pets. i never get to interrupt the skill i plan, im even having a hard time with rez signets, i dont know why, but it acts different than bestial mauling. my bestial always hits at the right time, my lunge doesnt. the pet doesnt seem to cancel its attack or update it, i have no clue, it always lands later (resulting in my interrupting a skill the enemy is spamming, such as rof, which is nice as well, but still not my purpose >.>) humility: can be awesome, takes investments in the bar though. yes, im overrating it and have no clue how to use it properly, but im sure it has its really really mean uses. draw on the necro on the monk using touch: ANNOYING AS HELL! dont do this to a monk please. let the monk draw and have the necro purge conditions. a monk running up to a char with maybe a fairly long distance, who might be kiting while under the effect of siphon speed = gg. also with the mo/d build the monk is more than able to draw dazed and remove it right away without many problems. and about shadow, i dont know really, theres this one hexteam in ta that runs it, really nicely at that, and i havnt really managed to beat them so far. gift on divert: who says you need to run it? been running it for a few days, did face good teams, beaten them without and got glad points without it. in my really honest opinion, zb is a waste in ta. :< zb does make many matches too easy and boring, divert is a challenge, and it doesnt turn you into some really lazy monk. when i switched from ZB back to other builds i somehow ended up really lazy and it took ages til i got used to them, so im sticking with divert. it got me hundred of gladpoints in ta, against noobs and decent players, and nobody can ever change my mind about divert in ta. btw, i know my text hurts a lot to read, but in my builds i put together most of it does make a bit more sense. >_> |
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Jan 11, 2007, 10:31 PM // 22:31
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No power in the verse
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: San Francisco, CA
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My qualifications for a cover hex are -- 5 or less second recharge, 5 energy, 20 or more second duration, and 1 or less second cast. Only 2 hexes in the game easily fit these parameters and they are parasitic bond and mind wrack. Images of remorse under mantra of persistence and with 9+ in fast casting comes really close. Siphon speed fits the parameters at really high deadly arts as well. Quote:
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While I like your idea of vital boon and cop (these two skills definately have nice synergy) for protecting against dazed, migraine, backfire, and shame, it is not as strong as veil against diversion. CoP and vital boon are very self-oriented skills. I am always wary of bars that run too many self-oriented skills. For instance, I typically tell my TA teams to ignore any Mo/W that is using balanced stance, shield bash, and disciplined stance and just attack their offense instead. With only 5 skills to help their allies, the monk is going to be hard pressed to keep up. If cop was still a 5 second recharge and vital boon was 6 instead of 8, then I would certainly use such a combo more often. Veil most certainly is not just for yourself. You can maintain it on your mele character(s) to slow the incoming rate of necromancer hexes which opens timing windows for their skills to be disrupted. Even if their hexes don't get interrupted, it reduces the number of hexes per minute that they can use and reduces their ability to kite and still do their job when being hit by melee. You can also maintain veil on a blinding surge mesmer on your team that you expect will be the target of diversion. In fact, if I know that the other team is competent through name recognition (there are certain names or guild tags I recognize upon sight), I'll pre-veil my melee and a key part of the defense of my team (i.e. whichever player on your team has the most anti-melee). If, however, I fail to recognize the names or guild tags from the opposing team, then I pre-veil my melee and myself as there is a much higher probability that they will be playing to "monk stomp". Quote:
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Jan 12, 2007, 01:03 AM // 01:03
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ǝuoʞoɯ
Join Date: May 2006
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i used life siphon instead of para bond just because the other necro is running it already. >.> its a teambuild afterall, so if the communication allows (and i think you should really run something with hexway) then you can always let the reapers cover SV. but i guess kicking something for para bond on SV wont hurt at all.
and uhm..spoil victor has an awesome recharge, its easy to put it onto the whole enemy team in a short time, if your just waiting for the casters and dont get all of SV, then thats quite silly.  you gotta explain poor me someday. :Pyes, i know holy veil is an awesome skill, it hurts to kick holy veil, but there simply isnt anymore space in my bar to put in holy veil. i already kicked gift (which nobody will approve either but idk i know its unfortunately very weak against diversion unlike veil, but most of the times a (smart) mesmer carries shatter enchant as well, removing your veil before diversion-ing. this will require you to cast a cover (ps) which will eventually be quite energy heavy. but then again, its a teambuild, if theres a mesmer our BHA will go for him and disable him either way, so i dont have to worry. =P back from playing ZB i preveiled a lot, but i never found it to be that useful. the only time i was thankful for it was when we faced 4 SP spikers and one skill disabled all of them. and of course im not trying to argue in the way that ZB might make you lazy, i just said i dislike to play it because of that reason. for me the TA meta is more of a "lets see which team can shut down better" instead of a "lets deal damage", making ZB a bit too useless in my opinion. the only time ill ever play ZB again is with my balanced team (which is kinda dead atm..) containing an expel. i guess the whole conversation about ZB vs DH (or any monk elite comparision) is silly in general - use what your best at, what fits into your team and what works. im happy with the build, especially after doing about 50 flawless this night, including teams of kame, rezq, and other good american guilds (euro is slacking >_>). on the last note, you dont need a higher recharge on CoP. dont spam it and only use if its really needed. vital boons recharge is fine as well, and you can always use 3 other possible (2 against melee) enchantments if your vital boon isnt possible to cop off. *off to bed* |
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Jan 12, 2007, 02:01 AM // 02:01
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Forge Runner
Join Date: Nov 2005
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I don't understand the logic of draw on the monk if you're running draw/mend touch on an off-character. I would just run dismiss on the monk and get another skill slot or run mend condy/mend touch. The necro should be pulling blinds off of the thumper most of the time either way, and having 2 draws in a TA build is just worthless IMO.
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Jan 13, 2007, 08:50 PM // 20:50
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Ascalonian Squire
Join Date: Sep 2005
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Looks like a good build to me. Although if i were you i would figure out a way to incorporate "Signet of Twilight." In heavey hex builds this skills rocks superior to any of the proposed enchant removal you mentioned at the end of your post. Throw in deadly paradox and this signet becomes twice as effective 1ct 10rct and can remove multiple enchants for free! Ive learned to love it on the reapers necro i play in randoms. I'm not really sure what you would take out for it but one of your necro's is at least already N/A.
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Jan 15, 2007, 07:20 AM // 07:20
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No power in the verse
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: San Francisco, CA
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I agree that running two draw was a bit silly, so later runs of this build we switched the draw on the N/Mo to mending touch and dropped the mending touch from the monk. I tried two different replacement skills on the monk, gale and grasping earth, and thoroughly enjoyed playing either of those monk bars. |
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Jan 15, 2007, 10:32 PM // 22:32
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: kansas city, MO
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gale and grasping earth.. wow
after i saw this build there were a few things i had to change. here are a couple of my modded versions. try em out and see which one you prefer mod1: http://gwshack.us/d2f15 mod2: http://gwshack.us/cc2a0 the monk bar for this build is very flexible. you can go mo/me with hex breaker and ihex/goh, or bring cop on that mo/d bar instead of conviction(our monk has been running cop) Last edited by Absum; Jan 15, 2007 at 10:38 PM // 22:38.. |
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Jan 15, 2007, 11:32 PM // 23:32
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No power in the verse
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: San Francisco, CA
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It should also be noted that using gale offensively against bad teams by galing their monk allows your offense to kill their offense quicker and win the match quicker. Grasping earth was fun too to help support the overloading of hexes, but not as much fun as gale. The downside of grasping earth was easily circumvented by having the thumper hit someone else or use an elemental weapon on players hexed with grasping earth. Quote:
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Jan 15, 2007, 11:49 PM // 23:49
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: kansas city, MO
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I'm not even going to argue with you about bringing gale on a monk. If you're that far gone, there's no point =,= wow man. It just says a lot more about the level of competition in TA right now.
I agree with the superiority of the second build, save the fact that I just like having purge conditions and convert hexes on the reapers nec. If you're facing a team with dazed, and your monk gets dazed while purge signet is recycling... meh. Hmmmm. Stance monks, stance necros, stance mesmers, stance NR trappers.... steady stance, hex breaker, mantra of inscriptions, mantra of resolve.... Don't question my thumper build Last edited by Absum; Jan 16, 2007 at 12:02 AM // 00:02.. |
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Jan 16, 2007, 04:06 AM // 04:06
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Mar 2006
Guild: The Benecia Renovatio [RenO]
Profession: Mo/
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Stance Necros? Sorry, haven't seen any for awhile. Actualy, the only time I've ever seen one is on my team, goofing off and running a build that has 4 characters with Warrior defensive stances... It really wasn't that hot, we even ran Backfire on a Mesmer because really bad players killed themselves with it repeatedly. Stance Mesmers? See above. Unless you want to count Distortion on a Migraine guy, in which case Wild Blow is pretty much pointless. Hex Breaker? Umm, or you could use a cheap, spammable cover hex like Parasitic Bond to end it. Also, Hex Breaker isn't common enough to run Wild Blow to counter it... Mantra of Inscriptions? Haven't seen this one in TA in months and by months, I mean like, 9+ months. Either way, you could just interrupt Signet of Humility... Since that's most likely what you'd pair it with... Mantra of Resolve? Wtf? Does anyone seriously run this in TA? I don't see good teams ever running this. Come to speak of it, I don't even see Random Areans teams running it, and I don't even remember seeing builds on Guild Wiki that contain it(rescently)... Oath Trappers with Nature's Renewal? Sorry, in the current metagame NR builds fail... Why you'd counter somthing you're already going to beat with ease is beyond me. More importantly, I haven't seen anyone running Nature's Renewal in Team Arenas in ages... Honestly, there's just no reason to run Wild Blow. Unless the metagame(which has pretty much settled) has shifted drasticly in the day or so that I haven't played Team Arenas. |
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Jan 16, 2007, 04:52 AM // 04:52
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: kansas city, MO
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lol Zui. Haven't seen stance monks in a while? open your eyes?
Thanks a lot for posting that garbage.. now I have to go and explain away every point =,= you don't see stance necros and mesmers often, but when you do they're a total bitch. A lot of asian groups run necros and mesmers with sin secondaries and will send you running everywhere unless you're able to wild blow shadow of haste off. I've seen decent american and european groups run mesmers and necros with natural stride. yes, hex breaker. "Hex breaker's off the monk, spoil him and cover", works nice when necros are hurting on energy and when more than one target has hex breaker. Yes, I've seen it. Mantra of inscriptions. I've ran builds with mantra of inscriptions.... I've seen other people use it once in a while... yes, with sig of humility.. and man, is it nice when i wild blow off their mantra and interrupt sig of humility and not have to interrupt it again for twice as long  spirit spam + hex grief builds use resolve to put up their spirits. Oath trapper builds don't fail against the build this whole thread is about. Keeping the trapper under control is kind of important.. I even ran a build once that brought natures renewal on a magebane ranger. It was just to deal with all the hexways that were in, and it worked beautifully. Lastly, don't talk to me about the TA meta zui.... who do you think has more experience? Last edited by Absum; Jan 16, 2007 at 04:54 AM // 04:54.. |
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Jan 16, 2007, 03:58 PM // 15:58
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Guild: The Benecia Renovatio [RenO]
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Jan 16, 2007, 11:12 PM // 23:12
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Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: kansas city, MO
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Running wild blow in this build is insurance against situations that occur occassionally, but when they do, you'll wish you had it.
You're still talking about situations "you" haven't seen. Well I have, and this is how to be better prepared for them. Instead of trying to talk like you know the meta better than I do, and you don't, maybe you should try learning something. I'll make this very clear for you. You can take d lunge and roll 95% of the teams you face. Then you're going to run into something that I mentioned where having wild blow gives you a much appreciated edge. I don't run unreliable pet skills on a thumper such as d lunge and beastial mauling because: a good team will purge dazed off everytime it comes around, then you'll be wishing you had an awesome interrupt like distracting blow to depend on. Any decent player knows how to time pet attacks, d lunge is probably the most unreliable interrupt ever. I rarely rarely rarely get a skill caught by d lunge, simply because it's the easiest damn interrupt in the game to avoid just by watching the pet's incredibly slow attacks. I know how to do this, and so does everyone on my team. Forgive me for assuming there might be another team out there that can deal with that skill just as well, and wild blow and d blow would be a hell of a lot more useful. You want skills to be where they count, which is in the difficult matches. The rest of the matches are won just as easily without a pos spammable annoyance skill like d lunge. The only time I'd ever consider running d lunge is when there are 2 pets training one target, like in a packhunter build. Now... on to the knitpicking. =,= Hexbreaker: If there's melee pressure on a monk they're much less likely to time their hex breaker properly. If they do time their hexbreaker properly at the last second and negate the hex that they're anticipating, you just completely denied your own strategy against it... kind of hard to burn it with a cover hex if they're only activating it a split second before they see a nasty hex coming their way, isn't it? And no, it's not an issue of monk-stomping. If the necros are heavily multitasked and breaker is giving them a problem, I'll switch to the monk to add pressure and stance maintenance in the desired area. Inscriptions: You're going to rely on disrupting lunge to interrupt key skills?... no thanks. Maybe this is successful for you, in which case I won't say anything further. Ritualists: I am correct there. Thanks, but I have no need to assume, and if you think you do, save yourself the trouble because I don't need your input to begin with. If you just try to interrupt through resolve, let's see... you have 2 interrupts in the form of d blow and disrupting dagger. 2 interrupts through resolve will cause them to lose 14-16 energy. Then on completion of the ritual they'll gain probably 6 energy back from boon of creation. That e-denial isn't exactly massive and is in no way worth letting wanderlust or shadowsong be spawned. It would be much better team-denial to interrupt the ritual itself so they have the energy lost from the ritual and no energy gain from putting one up, as well as not having that spirit up to assist them, especially if there are 2 spirit spammers on the team. NR trapper: Umm, I consider the situation a little better when the thumper can train the trapper, and the SV necro can focus on interrupting other things... the majority of the time trappers take immense amounts of DPS when a thumper is on them, they'll be kiting and won't be able to interrupt as efficiently, and they have low health to begin with so they're easy to drop. Much better prioritizing of targets IMO. poor build beating poor teams... wow, zui. i'm not even wasting my time on that remark. no further comment. Last edited by Absum; Jan 16, 2007 at 11:16 PM // 23:16.. |
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Join Date: Sep 2005
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I agree with Absum on the fact that distracting blow is the superior skill to bestial mauling against the top 5% of teams you face (which are the ones you want to prep the most to beat). However, since I typically play monk or support I typically get a response of, "If you make me take bestial mauling off my bar for distracting blow, then I'll leave the group", from the person playing the rampage thumper. It's not just one person who has said this either. Basically almost every rampage thumper I've played with says this. I think it just comes down to players preferring the "easy" button rather than choosing the superior skill that actually requires skill to use effectively. So, I just give in cause I feel like playing rather than waiting.
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For TA, I'm sure it's quite useful for removing covered elementalist attunements and monks that like to stack vital boon, veil, and shield of absorption on themselves. And it's definately a lot cheaper to use in a hex build than something like gaze of contempt. Quote:
You still have distracting blow to reliably interrupt a skill from someone that your pet is not attacking. And lest you not forget counting hammer bash as an additional interrupt skill in the build. Sure it's not as reliable as distracting blow, but I certainly can interrupt quite a bit with hammer bash sometimes intentionally and sometimes unintentionally. Quote:
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Jan 17, 2007, 01:50 AM // 01:50
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Mar 2006
Guild: The Benecia Renovatio [RenO]
Profession: Mo/
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Just adding to what Divine said in response to Ritualists, if you have Disrupting Lunge over Wild Blow, you have yet another interrupt.
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