Curse

Apple · Jan 31, 2007, 08:20 AM // 08:20

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Originally Posted by age

I thought that was what the Temple of Balthazar was for or the whole Battle Islands.

No. No. No. The people who NEEDLESSLY roleplay in the great temple are pve-ers who annoy EVERYONE who EVER rolls a pvp char because no-one wants to see 13 year old myspace users dance with naked female ritualists saying "lol breasts i want! Lets make a GW DANCE VIDEO!!!" or "man spiderman is so much cooler than batman lol". For some screwed up reason, they cant take their depraved imaginations anywhere else, so they go where it's easiest to go after rolling a pvp char : gtob. This causes problems for me, and many other people who dont want to turn off allchat, but still dont want to be e-raped by 13 year old boys playing female ritualists. In fact, i think this is the main reason to make an "always play in international districts" option.
In fact, on thursday I will post pictures of the crap I regularly see in great temple.

ayame ftw · Jan 31, 2007, 08:27 AM // 08:27

my pvp rerole:
make pvp char
press G > port to guild hall
set skills and armor in peace
i never stay more then 5 sec in the temple of balt

Apple · Jan 31, 2007, 08:33 AM // 08:33

But that's the reason, right? To stop the gtob naked zombies coming for you?

Makkert · Jan 31, 2007, 08:47 AM // 08:47

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Originally Posted by Thom

I don't get it, anet has all the information on top GvG guilds from the ladders. Pick a persistantly strong team and request an interview. You can also sit on observer mode and see who's doing interesting stuff.

All the guilds in my alliance have been featured I think.

Cooperation is key. It takes some time from the guild to provide the information ANet wants.

Gaile Gray · Feb 01, 2007, 06:26 AM // 06:26

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Originally Posted by Thom

I don't get it, anet has all the information on top GvG guilds from the ladders. Pick a persistantly strong team and request an interview. You can also sit on observer mode and see who's doing interesting stuff. All the guilds in my alliance have been featured I think.

Been there, done that, and the guilds in question, for the most part, did not follow through. We begged and begged for a few months, and then realized, "Hey, we're willing to feature the guild, provide a professional writer and an editing team, and publish it on our site. Maybe the least we can ask is someone to show a little interest!" We're done chasing guilds, but we're more than willing to work with any guild to feature them and to give them a day in the sun.

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Originally Posted by tomcruisejr

One day or another your guild will suck and will disband and future players won't even remember that you existed. So thank A.Net for Guild of the Week.

Whoa, that's a powerful statement. I salute that one.

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Originally Posted by Warskull

This is pretty accurate of how PvPers see GotW, it is comedy column. Most PvPers read it to make fun of the guilds that apply to it.

And that's frickin' pathetic. Read my comments below, please.

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Originally Posted by Neo-LD

Gaile -

This has already been alluded to by other posters, but to put it in concrete words, the fact that GotW has been dominated by PvE guilds really pushes PvP guilds away.

To be perfectly honest, about a month or two my guild had a discussion about whether we should apply to be GotW. After all, we've been around forever, we're pretty decent, we might have something interesting to say... so we figured we had a decent shot. But we came to the same conclusion that I think alot of PvP guilds are coming to:

We determined that GotW was not a mark of prestige anymore, too many guilds have had it, and most of them, people here would agree, arent very good. You mention that guilds would want fame, recognition, honor, etc, and this is true. But there is none of that in GotW anymore. Who here wants to be associated with Mo/A Dagger-wielding "Holy Shinobis"? Or with W/R characters that spec into both axe mastery and marksmanship? Who wants to be in the same category, or worse yet be mentioned in same breath as guilds whom we commonly mock for not even knowing how to open their gate lock?

Thanks for the frank feedback. Funny, I never thought I'd see PvP players skulking away from a good, solid challenge. What do I have to do, throw down a gauntlet? Kick sand in your face?

Seriously, GotW is what we make it. If you think some of the featured guilds are a little... less than stellar... have you thought about raising the bar? Have you thought about how a really good article, with a solid build and interesting guild commentary, can make all the difference? Have you thought about how you can be the one pearl in a mass of oyster shells?

Instead of thinking you're lowering yourself, why don't you guys give a stab at raising the entity itself? Or at least, if it serves you better, make an effort that raises you so that the lights of Dwayna herself shine from your helms?

I am not pointing at you, Neo, because you wrote a very reasonable and well-thought post and honestly, I appreciate knowing what some may be thinking about this. But I am pointing at the group as a whole, if there's a common "We're too cool for the room" or a "We don't want to lower ourselves" feeling.

I can bag the feature tomorrow if you really feel, as a whole, that it's not valuable. I think it's cool to call out different guilds, to give a nod to the vast community, and the many, many elements that make up that group. Sure, I don't dress up in a bear suit to play Guild Wars, but somebody does, and as far as I'm concerned, he's part of our community and if he and his guild can present a persuasive questionnaire, we just may cover the group. Someone else may not play PvE at all, but he, too, is a community member, and what he has to bring to the series as a whole could be stellar! So some maybe prefer to stand on the sidelines and snicker at the builds that someone offers, or put down the social activities that a different guild enjoys, or criticize the non-competitive ranking of a guild, but does that say something about the group they're putting down? Or about the person who feels compelled to make the put down?

I'm saying the feature is good, and valuable, and you can help make it better and more valuable. I challenge you to do so. Now, you can feel free to ignore the challenge, it's ok, really. For some, a feeling of smug superiority is what keeps them warm at night. *shrug*

Morgoth the dark · Feb 01, 2007, 08:21 AM // 08:21

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Originally Posted by Dark Knyt

I'd like to nominate Clan Detained, although they've never been top, they play the nicest builds.

+1 on that

they do nice pvp action and they are all the time in ~ top 7.
(but some guys in dT were in GotW already

)

LionZero · Feb 01, 2007, 11:58 AM // 11:58

I think the fact that PvP guilds would have to nominate themselves seems rather egocentric and most just don't feel any impulse in doing so, also this form of nomination seems more as a form of attention rather then ''prestige''.

Therefor i also think it's better if you just ''chase'' some of these guilds that would seem of interest to you for participation in GotW, ofcourse if these guilds don't feel like participating you just swap to another one. (there is no need for a chase if these guilds don't want to be caught, and besides there are plenty of other guilds who could be seen equal and willing to, towards this subject)

That's why i'm pretty sure that plenty of these PvP guilds will be willing to co-operate if approached, and it would at least give more of a ''prestige'' feeling being chosen then to force yourself up there, at least from my point of view.

Also i would obviously still keep the incoming nominations for suggestions and people who are just willing to be a GotW, but if you want to reach more PvP guilds i'm pretty sure a direct approach would seed more crop then sitting around the field and wait till it seeds.

Furthermore i probably would just keep at least 2 out of 3 GotW based on PvE guilds, Because there are simply more of these guilds then competitive ones and they represent a larger part of the community, also a combination of indepth game mechanics versus the relaxed role-playing insight is much nicer to read then either only this or that.

Phades · Feb 01, 2007, 04:02 PM // 16:02

I think a more simple approach would be to separate the columns and make a pvp focused one and a pve focused one. Then you have the equal representation you are looking for and are not necessarily associated with each other. I realize that would be essentially twice the work, but it could be worth considering. An analogy that could be used to describe it would be a newspaper. You get the news, an editorial, and the comics all in one package.

Savio · Feb 01, 2007, 04:31 PM // 16:31

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

Seriously, GotW is what we make it. If you think some of the featured guilds are a little... less than stellar... have you thought about raising the bar? Have you thought about how a really good article, with a solid build and interesting guild commentary, can make all the difference? Have you thought about how you can be the one pearl in a mass of oyster shells?

The main problem is this:

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Originally Posted by stueyman2099

You want a good solid build? What do you want us to thell them? That competitive PvP is limited abusing Blinding Surge, Avatar of Grenth, Soul Reaping, and Steady Stance warriors?

NUKE considered applying for quite some time, but we can't make a good solid build and such with the game such as it is. There's just not enough variety to make the game remotley interesting.

There's not much to talk about atm, possibly not until after the weekend. Possibly.

Perhaps build discussion shouldn't be taking place on GotW. If people wanted builds they'd do Obs mode. Just a general strategy in GotWs sounds good. If you really need build articles, get guilds to contribute to PvP articles.

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Originally Posted by [Apple

]In fact, on thursday I will post pictures of the crap I regularly see in great temple.

Please don't. I've seen them enough as is.

Blame the Monks · Feb 01, 2007, 04:51 PM // 16:51

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

Funny, I never thought I'd see PvP players skulking away from a good, solid challenge. What do I have to do, throw down a gauntlet? Kick sand in your face? ... Sure, I don't dress up in a bear suit to play Guild Wars, but somebody does...

o_O I think you answered your own question. Post of pix of you or izzy playing GW in a bear suit and I promise I will nominate every good guild I know of.

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

Now, you can feel free to ignore the challenge, it's ok, really. For some, a feeling of smug superiority is what keeps them warm at night. *shrug*

Don't you think this is a little juvenile Gaile? Do you really think the PvP community is a bunch of 3rd graders to be double-dog-dared into applying for GoTW?

If you want quality GoTW apps, don't reward people who dress up in bear suits with the same recognition as those who consistently dominate GW. When talent can be outshouted by volume or carebearosity, talent stops trying to force knowledge on the masses. That is why these forums (and others) are so devoid of quality content -- quality isn't rewarded by the system in place. This happens in every balance thread, the feedback the company appears to receive, and now in GoTW.

Promote quality; discourage crap. I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere >.>

EDIT: And to suggest specific guilds:

Like three of the top 20 guilds have been GoTW. I think you could pick just about any one of those teams and have an article worth reading. Don't tell them they should consider GoTW an honor, tell them you would be honored to have a bit of their time so they could impart some wisdom to the community.

PnH jumps out. International champs and one of the most consistent top teams in GW history. Enough said.

Or RenO? Who exactly are these guys? We all know every person in the guild is rank 12, glad 4, and champ 5 (seriously, reno wins everywhere and play 24/7), but who is the "other" top korean guild? No one knows. Gold cape, consistent performance in all formats for months....

Or how about LAG? Four seasons ago LAG was a ho-hum rank 100 guild, but through constant improvement the same core group squeaked into the playoffs last season, upset some strong guilds, and earned a silver cape. Now they are sitting pretty in the top 20. That is a story that begs to be told -- inspire the masses that they can in fact improve to the point of winning GvGs.

Or SpNv? They turned down a tourney spot ffs -- give them some love. Plus they are a consistent top performer in both GvG and TA.

pah01 · Feb 01, 2007, 05:59 PM // 17:59

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Originally Posted by GOTW

I've played almost all the character types by now, but my favorite is still my original W/R bow Warrior created during the public betas. More a support/guard Warrior than a frontline one, typically staying at the back of the party using a bow and switching to hammer to interrupt and harry any foes who break past the front rank to attack casters and Monks.

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Originally Posted by GOTW

For PvP, an Elementalist/Ranger with Flare, Fireball, Meteor, Rodgort's Invocation, Mark of Rodgort, Elemental Attunement, Aura of Restoration, and Barbed Trap. Nobody likes Flare…but it keeps the burn going cheap. In PvE, a minion master.

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Originally Posted by GOTW

2x Desperate Housewarrior
Warrior

Tactics: 16 (12+4)
Strength: 11 (10+1)
Hammer Mastery: 9 (8 +1)
One piece Stonefist Insignia armor

Balanced Stance
Desperation Blow
Drunken Blow
Renewing Smash
Flourish
Hammer Bash
Healing Signet
Resurrection Signet

Teleporting Firebomber:
Elementalist/Assassin

Fire Magic: 15 (12 +3)
Energy Storage: 14 (12 +2)
Shadow Arts: 3

Aura of Displacement
Fire Attunement
Shadow Refuge [or Meteor Shower]
Meteor
Fireball
Incendiary Bonds
Mark of Rodgort [or Bed of Coals]
Resurrection Signet

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Originally Posted by GOTW

My Warrior/Monk PvP character is my favorite because it's really tweaked. It has +5 Health regeneration and 32 Energy.

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Originally Posted by GOTW

(Elementalist with Fire Magic of 16). I love her. She is BAD. She has about 73 Energy and about 518 Health. She does so much damage. So far she has been my favorite class to play.

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Originally Posted by GOTW

PvP Game Discussion

The Monk/Assassin Takedown is a build designed to surprise opponents in PvP combat. It has no resurrection skills, but is well suited to 1v1 scrimmage, Fort Aspenwood/Jade Quarry, or Alliance Battles.

Skills:

(Elite) Aura of Faith
Healing Breeze
Vigorous Spirit
Mending
Golden Lotus Strike
Golden Phoenix Strike
Horns of the Ox
Falling Spider

Healing Prayers: 13
Divine Favor: 10
Dagger Mastery: 11

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Originally Posted by GOTW

PvP Game Discussion

The Monk/Assassin Takedown is a build designed to surprise opponents in PvP combat. It has no resurrection skills, but is well suited to 1v1 scrimmage, Fort Aspenwood/Jade Quarry, or Alliance Battles.

Skills:

(Elite) Aura of Faith
Healing Breeze
Vigorous Spirit
Mending
Golden Lotus Strike
Golden Phoenix Strike
Horns of the Ox
Falling Spider

Healing Prayers: 13
Divine Favor: 10
Dagger Mastery: 11

Some of the best i could find. Guild of the week needs to filter the crap.

tomcruisejr · Feb 01, 2007, 06:55 PM // 18:55

http://www.guildwars.com/community/g...ominations.php

omg it is in the engrish ranguage.

Quozz · Feb 01, 2007, 08:44 PM // 20:44

Interesting to see what other's takes on GotW are. Everyone seems to be hung up though on builds and strategies. I think the whole point of guilds is being lost. IMHO a guild represents a group of gamers who are good friends and who like to have fun while playing. Its not about winning, losing, builds, or tactics but rather its about the comraderie, new friends made, and the storys of the exploits of the guild. Who cares if the warrior/ranger build seems less than stellar in your eyes, the point should be about how the player used it, the tale of what happened when it was used, and the resulting memories.

If you are only viewing GotW as a place for uber PVP builds and tactics then you are sorely missing out on the true nature and benefits of a good guild. How many of us can say they knew so many people from all over the world prior to the online gaming revolution? I have met and now have as friends people from all over the world and that to me is a far more important aspect of a guild than any build will ever be.

*lemming* · Feb 02, 2007, 04:41 AM // 04:41

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Originally Posted by Quozz

Interesting to see what other's takes on GotW are. Everyone seems to be hung up though on builds and strategies. I think the whole point of guilds is being lost. IMHO a guild represents a group of gamers who are good friends and who like to have fun while playing. Its not about winning, losing, builds, or tactics but rather its about the comraderie, new friends made, and the storys of the exploits of the guild. Who cares if the warrior/ranger build seems less than stellar in your eyes, the point should be about how the player used it, the tale of what happened when it was used, and the resulting memories.

If you are only viewing GotW as a place for uber PVP builds and tactics then you are sorely missing out on the true nature and benefits of a good guild. How many of us can say they knew so many people from all over the world prior to the online gaming revolution? I have met and now have as friends people from all over the world and that to me is a far more important aspect of a guild than any build will ever be.

I think you missed the point.

Makkert · Feb 02, 2007, 09:54 AM // 09:54

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Originally Posted by tehlemming

I think you missed the point.

Let's try to do a reconstruction...:

argument: GotW is a joke, because the quality of the write-ups is pretty low. Some of the guilds listed are not among the best guilds in the game.
just look at the builds they posted to know that these people don't know much about the game, be it either pve or pvp.

counterargument (Quozz): using builds as support for your argumentation that the guilds don't deserve to be GotW is somewhat flawed. Being a great guild doesn't necessary pivot around 'knowing the game', but also about 'being a coherent, well-defined group that stands out of the masses'.

Did Quozz miss the point?
I don't think so...

Is he right?
partly. In theory, he is right. In practice: when I read the GotW articles, I often don't read why exactly this guild is so much different and special then other guilds. Part of that lies in the structure of the GotW write-up: its short. I remember that as a guild, SoF handed over tons of information, and only a small subset was used in the article. It is up to the outsider of this guild (the GotW editor) to grasp from the handed information what makes the guild so different from other guilds.

A large part of the GotW write-ups is the build that is posted. So I think its fair to also judge the GotW guilds on those builds. If the guild that is made GotW is not special for its buildmaking but because of certain other characteristics, the GotW write-up should focus more on that and simply leave the build section away or limited. But that's just my vision.

mysdale333 · Feb 08, 2007, 06:27 AM // 06:27

Ok so I know that all of the PvPers will just laugh or shoot me down for posting this but well frankly I'm used to it

If the PvPers are beginning to feel that the GotW is a bit less special because of the PvE guilds that are being featured would it perhaps make it a little more attractive if it was an alternating award, one week is one of the Top PvP guilds (note that in order for this to actually happen the guilds have to apply for it because frankly anet has enough to do just to maintain this game and all of our suggestions than to chase down guilds for information to highlight them) and then the next week can be a PvE featured guild.

As A PvE guild leader I see this as an opportunity for some more of the actual Roleplaying guilds (as in yes they act out their characters) to be featured. RP guilds are the forgotten guilds of GW. It'd be great to have guilds that emphasize this and the storyline game play.

I also think it'd be nice to see the Top Guilds highlighted because us PvErs do like reading your builds so that we can see what it is that takes us down in no time and how you do it.

Just some thoughts Quozz and Makkert also had some very valid points.

Phoebe

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