Curse

defrule · Feb 20, 2007, 01:56 AM // 01:56

Anet deliberate did this, they gave us 8v8 for a week with shit changes so we all end up saying that we don't like it. Then they'll say to us, "well if you don't like it then we'll keep it 6v6"

Old 8v8 plz.

Wilhelm · Feb 20, 2007, 02:39 AM // 02:39

Old Style 8vs8.
"Intelligent" Skill Balance.

GoGoGoGo Anet

kidkid · Feb 20, 2007, 04:37 AM // 04:37

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Originally Posted by Mental Leteci

This is the thinking of a noob. You can't compare HA with GvG, ok? I know some people who spent their whole time playing HA and only HA and probably suggested to others how good PvP is (by this I mean HA, not GvG) and that they should buy the game too, but then ANet takes something that has been here since the game was launched? What the hell? Why would people spend their time playing something just so they could disappoint in the end and not be able to sell the game now because everyone heard what shit it turned into. Luckily I've predicted this so I got away with it.

I don't think u have the right to call ppl a noob, i don't know how LEET u r. That is just my opinion, if u don't like my idea, tell the moderator to ban me from posting. And THANK YOU Anet, fortunately HA will be alive again compare to 8 v 8,

baaba · Feb 20, 2007, 04:53 AM // 04:53

Well to me I don't really care it is 8 vs 8 or 6 vs 6 (I get my fames no matter what they put on HoH anyways) but until they fix some of the skills in GW, staying at 6 vs 6 is a better idea.

To those who like 8 vs 8 must like FoTM for example Iway, B-spike, Ele spike, Rit spike, Para spike, and now 2 A 3 Ele spike.

Everyone is running spike inside. What's the fun of that? The maps inside HA are so small unlike GvG maps. You can't split. It is all about mindless 3 2 1.

Fixing the skills in GW should be primary before changing anything. Until then, please don't make any more move and make things worse. I think many of us don't want any more "surprises".

Come on. What's up with capture the points in HoH? We have that in Alliance Battle. This is HoH! Please keep that away.

PS: I really want more new players to play PvP like HA and staying at 6 vs 6 will be easier to form group for them than 8 vs 8.

Epic Monkey Battle · Feb 20, 2007, 05:26 AM // 05:26

All anet needs to do is a proper skill balance, get rid of kill count, keep 8v8, and bring back holding.

I wish holding was never taken out of halls in the first place. I mean, that is what halls was about. Holding an altar. The holding mechanic wasn't broken, some skills were over powered and needed to be balanced.

And please don't say "those who want to play 8v8, go play GvG" because they are two totally different play styles and should not be compared in such a manner. In GvG you have different options. If you are getting overpowered at the flag stand, you can split and try to force them back to protect their base, etc. In HA you don't have the option of splitting and ganking NPC's.

Thom · Feb 20, 2007, 05:49 AM // 05:49

HA players want there own special balance: suprise suprise. Some skills are indeed overpowered, but many defensive skills are only broken in HA. That is to say they are balance perfectly for GvG, but are hopelessly annoying in HA. The same could be said for spikes: beatable in an environment that involves splitting and multiple objectives but broken in HA.

Choking gas, meteor shower, song of concentration, healing seed, most AoE, defensive spirits and shouts... none of these are even played in GvG and TA. I like the new style HA, 6v6 slightly more than 8v8 but it really is a wash. You'll have more broken builds in 8v8, but 6v6 means less utility/control builds.

Master Ketsu · Feb 20, 2007, 04:19 PM // 16:19

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Originally Posted by ksalanpang

Magic the Gathering was fun if you have money...lol coz you need to buy ownage cards

Google "Magic Workstation Online".

Free MTG online play, and you dont have to pay for cards.

Death_From_Above · Feb 20, 2007, 05:03 PM // 17:03

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Originally Posted by baaba

Well to me I don't really care it is 8 vs 8 or 6 vs 6 (I get my fames no matter what they put on HoH anyways) but until they fix some of the skills in GW, staying at 6 vs 6 is a better idea.

To those who like 8 vs 8 must like FoTM for example Iway, B-spike, Ele spike, Rit spike, Para spike, and now 2 A 3 Ele spike.

Everyone is running spike inside. What's the fun of that? The maps inside HA are so small unlike GvG maps. You can't split. It is all about mindless 3 2 1.

PS: I really want more new players to play PvP like HA and staying at 6 vs 6 will be easier to form group for them than 8 vs 8.

Yawn, need i say anymore, i think youve exposed yourself enough as someone who has no idea how to play HA so to be frank you cant realie comment on it. You claime those who like 8v8 must be the fotm. Infact your incorrect an youve shown yourself to be ignorant with this broad generalization. Im a high rank with many high rank friends of which we earned our ranks by playing balanced builds in HA. If i go in HA im 90 percent likely to run a balanced build and we all love 8v8 infact we want old 8v8 back because the 8v8 ANET gave us wasnt the 8v8 we wanted but a sucky version. If you havent noticed being i can see your very uneducated in the case of HA. The reason why there are so many spikes is because of kill count, firstly it favours them and secondly it eliminates all heavy hex builds and degen builds which absolutly owned spikes in most cases hence detering people off spikes. You cannot get past broken tower now unless your running a spike or mass aoe of some sort.

Iv tried it with many balanced builds of which all work but its not possible. You need to be able to kill quickly and faster than the other team which is in most cases a spike. If your running a balanced build and you dont have an assasin in most cases thats extreamily difficult. Iv ran balanced builds with this new 8v8 as i said and every time broken tower i get rolled. Either enermy team gets wayyyy more kills or i get farmed on by 2 teams. To be honest thats what i call mindless. HA is about 20% build 80 percent skill, its more of a head on head and tatcial in its own way. You dont need to split in HA to beat a spike. Which is what made it fun. So before you make irrational judgements i suggest
1.) Know what your talkign about, your just some dude who thinks you have a say in the matter because you bought the game so what you say makes sence. (no it dosent)

2.) You see how 8v8 with no kill count and its original state of alter caping is ect before you knock it off and say that 6v6 (i must say poooooooorest of poorest ideas i have seen for a long time in any game) is better.

Originally Posted by Mental Leteci
This is the thinking of a noob. You can't compare HA with GvG, ok? I know some people who spent their whole time playing HA and only HA and probably suggested to others how good PvP is (by this I mean HA, not GvG) and that they should buy the game too, but then ANet takes something that has been here since the game was launched? What the hell? Why would people spend their time playing something just so they could disappoint in the end and not be able to sell the game now because everyone heard what shit it turned into. Luckily I've predicted this so I got away with it.

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I don't think u have the right to call ppl a noob, i don't know how LEET u r. That is just my opinion, if u don't like my idea, tell the moderator to ban me from posting. And THANK YOU Anet, fortunately HA will be alive again compare to 8 v 8, [/QUOTE]

Are you dumb or blind or are you both? From what your saying you are a complete noob. Gvg and HA are two different things. Ask any good pvper. You IQ regarding tombs must obviously be -10. Gvg you need at least 5 guildies and 3 pugs to even go in. Gvg is rated, you lose points if you lose. This means you cant just go in to have fun or try somethin out because you will suffer for it. You have to be organised and take the macth seriously. For alot of guilds setting up a gvg is hard because either not all guildies on or guildies busy, 2 you cant rush it because you will suffer for it. 3 it takes long for some guilds without a core gvg team to set up. GVg and HA are not the same and to even consider the two are is just plain stupid. HA you can play with a whole team of friends. You and 7 friends. Gvg You cant.

HA you can experiment. GVg you dont want to experiment in most cases unless your willing to risk losing points. Moving on, HA for some people is more entertaining than gvg with 8. And another thing i want to add is that 6v6 sucks. To say it can even be compared to 8v8 is just moronic, and there that makes you a noob who knows nothing about HA. The 8v8 weekend sucked to and want to know why, because anet seemed to have turned deaf and never listerned to the HA community again. So like me, many people came on for first 3 days, tried, saw anet had messed game up, said k gg this is lame and went back to playing dif games like either WoW, Call of duty, or just their ps2s. HA was never alive with 6v6, other wise why was there a massive decline after 6v6 was implimented in the number of players playing HA. Another question i would like to ask for those of you who said HA was changed to 6v6 as it is easier to make a team.

This assumption was based on the 6v6 weekend with double fame right. Well sorry newsflash guys, many people although hating 6v6 still came on for the double fame, why do you think so many people where on, it was not for 6v6 it was for the double fame. Most people were board of it by the end of the weekend. Why do you think it was so easy to make a team, it was because many many people had come on for the fame.

Horace The Great · Feb 20, 2007, 05:03 PM // 17:03

Why do people say they don't like 8v8 because everyone is playing spike teams? Don't people play spikes because of the killcount? People also play spike teams in 6v6 with killcount...

I hear alot of people saying they don't like that there are only spike teams, this isn't because of 8v8 but because of killcount, so make a test week without killcount, and then we will see.

baaba · Feb 20, 2007, 07:22 PM // 19:22

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Originally Posted by Death_From_Above

Iv tried it with many balanced builds of which all work but its not possible. You need to be able to kill quickly and faster than the other team which is in most cases a spike. If your running a balanced build and you dont have an assasin in most cases thats extreamily difficult. Iv ran balanced builds with this new 8v8 as i said and every time broken tower i get rolled. Either enermy team gets wayyyy more kills or i get farmed on by 2 teams. To be honest thats what i call mindless. HA is about 20% build 80 percent skill, its more of a head on head and tatcial in its own way. You dont need to split in HA to beat a spike. Which is what made it fun. So before you make irrational judgements i suggest
1.) Know what your talkign about, your just some dude who thinks you have a say in the matter because you bought the game so what you say makes sence. (no it dosent)

2.) You see how 8v8 with no kill count and its original state of alter caping is ect before you knock it off and say that 6v6 (i must say poooooooorest of poorest ideas i have seen for a long time in any game) is better.

Please read the meaning of what people said before jumping in and type without spaces in between long paragraph/sentences because it is very hard to read.

I only play balance builds and I know exactly what you mean. That's why I said Anet need to fix something before jumping back to 8 vs 8. I don't see what's your debate about because that's exactly what I was referring. I don't know you are dumb or blind but you can be both?

By the way, learn how to use preview post and quote please. Mr. Obvious. Everyone knows HA and GvG are different. You don't need to write a long paragraph to show just that. Thank you on your effect though.

Also, please show me the data, the exact numbers, that there's massive decline when 6 vs 6 comes out. Don't tell me about how many districts there are because anyone with normal IQ knows that's not accurate.

If I sound like I am supporting 6 vs 6 then I am sorry. I am not. There are tons of things Anet need to fix, not just kill count, before going back to 8 vs 8 in HA.

You should know what you are talking about because as you were saying having the game doesn't mean you have a sense of what you say in the matter. No, it really doesn't. So true but it all goes back to you.

PS: Since you mention you are high rank, what's your rank and who's your high rank friends? lol.

kidkid · Feb 20, 2007, 07:42 PM // 19:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Death_From_Above

Are you dumb or blind or are you both? From what your saying you are a complete noob. Gvg and HA are two different things. Ask any good pvper. You IQ regarding tombs must obviously be -10. Gvg you need at least 5 guildies and 3 pugs to even go in. Gvg is rated, you lose points if you lose. This means you cant just go in to have fun or try somethin out because you will suffer for it. You have to be organised and take the macth seriously. For alot of guilds setting up a gvg is hard because either not all guildies on or guildies busy, 2 you cant rush it because you will suffer for it. 3 it takes long for some guilds without a core gvg team to set up. GVg and HA are not the same and to even consider the two are is just plain stupid. HA you can play with a whole team of friends. You and 7 friends. Gvg You cant.

HA you can experiment. GVg you dont want to experiment in most cases unless your willing to risk losing points. Moving on, HA for some people is more entertaining than gvg with 8. And another thing i want to add is that 6v6 sucks. To say it can even be compared to 8v8 is just moronic, and there that makes you a noob who knows nothing about HA. The 8v8 weekend sucked to and want to know why, because anet seemed to have turned deaf and never listerned to the HA community again. So like me, many people came on for first 3 days, tried, saw anet had messed game up, said k gg this is lame and went back to playing dif games like either WoW, Call of duty, or just their ps2s. HA was never alive with 6v6, other wise why was there a massive decline after 6v6 was implimented in the number of players playing HA. Another question i would like to ask for those of you who said HA was changed to 6v6 as it is easier to make a team.

This assumption was based on the 6v6 weekend with double fame right. Well sorry newsflash guys, many people although hating 6v6 still came on for the double fame, why do you think so many people where on, it was not for 6v6 it was for the double fame. Most people were board of it by the end of the weekend. Why do you think it was so easy to make a team, it was because many many people had come on for the fame.

First of all, please READ THE TOPIC. I still think ppl have the right to express the feeling on HA. IF ppl don't agree with what u think, it doesn't mean they are dumb. It doesn't say noob can't express the feeling on this forum. I wasn't even compare GVG with HA, i am just saying 6 v 6 for HA is good, IF ppl like 8 v 8, go GVG. I didn't even use the word "COMPARE" with GvG and HA. And hey, anyone can have their own comment on HA, not just you. Why don't u just make your own forum to reply yourself if you think everyone is a moron?? I love 6 v 6, doesn't mean that i am wrong, i think 8 v 8 sux. MY OPINION once again.

ksalanpang · Feb 20, 2007, 07:52 PM // 19:52

I think stats would help. Like how many players/teams are going after HA now and then. Or if not, start a poll.

I really think that the changes over the past few weeks were too long. I don't think anet intended to do that. But anet read whatever we posted in this and some other forums then made the decision to extend the testing period.

Now it's back to 6vs6 with the new rules and format. Anet is moving one step back i guess.

Skill balance determines 6 vs 6 or 8 vs 8 and both determines rules in HA.

ShadowsRequiem · Feb 20, 2007, 08:09 PM // 20:09

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Originally Posted by Im In A Build

i sure enjoy the vast creativity of 8 rits 8 necros and iway , what about you guys

You should have made the title the "old 8v8" cause it was 8v8 for much much longer then 6v6.

I really liked 8v8 HA back in the day, there was more room to try out weird half ass builds that actually worked in the end. I used to 8v8 Ha a lot but ever since my friend cha cha left... well it hasnt been the same.

6v6 is really all you see... Rit spike... 2 Boa sins, 2 Eles(1 fire 1 earth).. Maybe a RaO+GRenth Dervish here and there.... but the builds you play are really the same old crap.

sure you can argue the same for 8v8.... iway ranger spike and so on.... but there are some teams that make Genuine HA builds where people go WTF! thats awesome! lol
I remember playing a weirdo spike with my old friends who have since quit the game.. I was play a R/N with bip and spiking with dual shot... we also had some other weird stuff but it worked good and were able to get to hoh and win.

.Pestilence. · Feb 21, 2007, 01:00 AM // 01:00

hello im new 2 gw. as in i got all 3 games 12/26/06 and i have alot more fun 8v8 than 6v6. i run in balanced builds and get alot of fame and have a good time. i have 530fame right now and think that any build can be beat if u dont cry and just try new methods of attack. i think that they should make 1 of the victory conditions the alter hold like before the test weekend. i suck at typin sry 8v8 should stay imo ty

Nysidious · Feb 21, 2007, 02:48 AM // 02:48

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Yawn, need i say anymore, i think youve exposed yourself enough as someone who has no idea how to play HA so to be frank you cant realie comment on it. You claime those who like 8v8 must be the fotm. Infact your incorrect an youve shown yourself to be ignorant with this broad generalization. Im a high rank with many high rank friends of which we earned our ranks by playing balanced builds in HA. If i go in HA im 90 percent likely to run a balanced build and we all love 8v8 infact we want old 8v8 back because the 8v8 ANET gave us wasnt the 8v8 we wanted but a sucky version. If you havent noticed being i can see your very uneducated in the case of HA. The reason why there are so many spikes is because of kill count, firstly it favours them and secondly it eliminates all heavy hex builds and degen builds which absolutly owned spikes in most cases hence detering people off spikes. You cannot get past broken tower now unless your running a spike or mass aoe of some sort.

Iv tried it with many balanced builds of which all work but its not possible. You need to be able to kill quickly and faster than the other team which is in most cases a spike. If your running a balanced build and you dont have an assasin in most cases thats extreamily difficult. Iv ran balanced builds with this new 8v8 as i said and every time broken tower i get rolled. Either enermy team gets wayyyy more kills or i get farmed on by 2 teams. To be honest thats what i call mindless. HA is about 20% build 80 percent skill, its more of a head on head and tatcial in its own way. You dont need to split in HA to beat a spike. Which is what made it fun. So before you make irrational judgements i suggest

/agree

I Agree With You Completely We Ran Balanced Build Also And At Broken Tower It Was A Pain. One Time WE Managed To Get To Court Yard Because We Skiped Broken Tower. All A Sudden Two Rit Spike Group Came And Planted At Our Base. At The Point It Was Pretty Much Over. We Could Not Fight Anything Without Getting Spike By The Other Team. It Was Such A Pain.