Curse

wolfy3455 · Feb 02, 2007, 12:19 AM // 00:19

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Originally Posted by coleslawdressin

Wolfy, your build is okay but kinda meh. You seem like you could come up with better maybe. Just 2 hexers may be okay, but I question their usefulness and they are kind of plain. I forget if Retreat is still bugged, but you could probably get by with just a normal run skill or something. There is no reliable deep wound on the wars too. I would almost say a find their weakness is better than an 8 spec GFTE in that build >.>

Badly formed hybrids may as well have been my trademark with how often I tried to run them. Also, I did test to see if retreat is still bugged(though I'm not sure if it's actually a bug from the skill description) after I posted. It is.

http://gwshack.us/90e16

Anothe pressure style build, though this one is a bit more thought out and straight forward. In normal play the smiter generally hits the mellees, though switches to trained casters if needed. The grasp ranger plays defensively, crippling warriors and degening casters (switch grenth's fingers in for natural stride in order to use a condition bowstring, since you'll be enchanted when you need the stance anyway ). Theres no enchant removal, so the mellee players need to know how to play mellee classes.

For holding altars, the smiter puts up boon/doesn't put up zealots and plays like a monk with a really shitty bar. Derv plays defensively, making midliners kite. The warrior and ranger abuse interupts. The paragon does the same thing he does on every map, so you can afford to put your worst player on it. Relics should be fine since theres 2 sources of spammable cripple.

EDIT: I realized right after posting this that a tainted warder would fit into the ranger's slot much better and free up brace yourself on the paragon.

http://gwshack.us/61c8d

The newer version has a weak spike, but also has wards and a more easily spread condition.

Bastian · Feb 02, 2007, 02:59 PM // 14:59

Well, with some of this skill changes and HA changes, I think I would like to try something like this.

http://gwshack.us/2c67

coleslawdressin · Feb 03, 2007, 04:36 AM // 04:36

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Originally Posted by [Apple]

Coke is from Wa!!!!!
Spiritual Pain in 3 2 1. That Coke <3

Hey, at least being better than 99% of the GW population at spiking makes me 100% better than you in every aspect.

Anyhow, I just had a small revelation.

*Flashback to the dying days of 8v8*

The standard 2 migraine 1 SS build wasnt so hot atm but people started to drop a monk for a second necro and rely on offense to win.

Now compare the monks in wolfy's first build to those in Bastian's.

- this has no bearing on overall builds because I am just skimming -

As much as I hate 6v6 for being a crap gameplay mode..............

(((I am optimistic 8v8 will be back but I will seriously /emoslashwristsIRLandpostpics if it stays 6v6)))

I finally found a reason to like 6v6.

Instead of 3 w/e monks with channeling he posted up a 2 monk backline without a second thought... in ..8v8.. tombs....... nice...... then I saw sandstorm.

New rule: Sandstorm = lose

GL ALL!

Bastian · Feb 03, 2007, 05:26 AM // 05:26

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Originally Posted by coleslawdressin

Instead of 3 w/e monks with channeling he posted up a 2 monk backline without a second thought... in ..8v8.. tombs....... nice...... then I saw sandstorm.

New rule: Sandstorm = lose

GL ALL!

>< Damn. Lol!

Well, back to the drawing board.

Mystic- · Feb 03, 2007, 06:23 PM // 18:23

WTB quote on my build -_-

Vermilion · Feb 03, 2007, 08:26 PM // 20:26

We can make as many builds as we want, right? k.

http://gwshack.us/dd980

I took inspiration from [cow]s gvg build (dont ask) and yay conditions. Took out the para I stole for a tainted for moar conds.

CassiusDrehyg · Feb 03, 2007, 09:34 PM // 21:34

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Originally Posted by Mystic-

This build here got me alot of fame from rank 6 to rank 9, and was the 1st build I started calling. I really love it and with a good warrior (me

) never really lost alot.

1 W/E: Shock/Frenzy/Evis/Exec/Sprint/DBlow/Rez
2 N/Mo: BiP/Order of Pain/Heal Other/Seed/Vamp Gaze/Heal Party/Rez/??? <--Something like this.
3 E/Mo: Glyph of Energy/Ob Flame/Rez/Stability/Foes/Melee/Earth Attune/Aegis
4 R/W: Choking Gas/Seeking Arrows/Practiced Stance/Savage/Distract/Flurry/Dual Shot/Rez
5 R/W: Oath Shot/Symbi/Fertile/Seeking/Savage/Dual Shot/Rez/Whirling
6 Mo/Me: WoH/Heal Party/Seed/Orison/Kiss/Inspired Hex/Veil/Channeling <-- Something like this.
7 Mo/Me: SB/Infuse/Touch/Seed/Kiss/Inspired Hex/Veil/Channeling <-- Something like this.
8 Mo/Me: RC/Prot Spirit/Convert/Drain Enchant/Inspired Enchant/RoF/Guardian/Channeling <-- Something like this.

Since you asked for comments I'll give you some.

1) Shock warrior = gg. Although, consider the options the 'sin profession has brought about, even if you don't want to lose the elite slot.
2) Battery = gg.
3) Warder = gg.
4) Choker = gg.
5) Oath spammer :: A lot of focus on obsolete mechanics here. In my opinion, better options are now available as to what you could do with this slot.
And the 3 monk backline we all know and love.

coleslawdressin · Feb 03, 2007, 10:06 PM // 22:06

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Originally Posted by Mystic-

WTB quote on my build -_-

Missing attributes and some skills, also I fell asleep reading it. Standard builds probably won't impress me.

Mystic- · Feb 04, 2007, 08:23 AM // 08:23

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Originally Posted by coleslawdressin

Missing attributes and some skills, also I fell asleep reading it. Standard builds probably won't impress me.

Oh ok... well how about this?

1) Me/A: Shadow Form/Blackout/Rez/Humility/Shame/Diversion/Leech Sig/Lyssas Balance
10 Shadow Arts/16 Domination/10 Fast Cast
2) Me/A: Shadow Form/Blackout/Rez/Humility/Shame/Diversion/Leech Sig/Lyssas Balance
10 Shadow Arts/16 Domination/10 Fast Cast
3) D/W: Melandru/Chilling/Wearying/Mystic Sweep/Harriers Grasp/Rez/Zealous Renewal/Pious Haste (Use Zealous and Pious smarty ofc)
15 Scythe/13Mysticism/7 Wind
4) D/W: Melandru/Chilling/Wearying/Mystic Sweep/Harriers Grasp/Rez/Zealous Renewal/Pious Haste (Use Zealous and Pious smarty ofc)
15 Scythe/13 Mysticism/7 Wind
5) E/Me: Arcane Echo/Sandstorm/Rez/Melee/Foes/Stability/Earth Attune/Leech Sig
16 Earth/13 EStorage
6,7,8) Standard 3 Monk backline

Still bored?
And in advance, wtb comment -_-

Mystic- · Feb 04, 2007, 08:26 AM // 08:26

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Originally Posted by CassiusDrehyg

Since you asked for comments I'll give you some.

1) Shock warrior = gg. Although, consider the options the 'sin profession has brought about, even if you don't want to lose the elite slot.
2) Battery = gg.
3) Warder = gg.
4) Choker = gg.
5) Oath spammer :: A lot of focus on obsolete mechanics here. In my opinion, better options are now available as to what you could do with this slot.
And the 3 monk backline we all know and love.

Problem with the 'sin is that it gives away the spike and in HA you don't want to do that. The Oath is just what I used in old HA but I would take a mantra of recovery mesmer now.

CassiusDrehyg · Feb 04, 2007, 10:10 AM // 10:10

http://gwshack.us/0588 <--- WTB Air Spike

16 Air/10 Storage/10 Healing, Protection or Blood on spikers
16 Domination/10 Blood/10 Inspiration on the Mesmer

Anyway, Mystic, it's the same with a shock warrior because a W/E charging towards a squish target also gives the spike away.

Mystic- · Feb 04, 2007, 09:05 PM // 21:05

Heard of fake shocks? Thats how I used to call against team with good prots so never had a problem with that. And with the Mesmer - Dervish build, so what if you see it coming? You can't do anything if your constantly blacked out :O

Vermilion · Feb 05, 2007, 12:43 AM // 00:43

http://gwshack.us/effe4

Last one, honest. I really couldn't decide what to do with the 3rd midline slot..I also don't know if running 1 smiter is worth it. Yeah the para seems wasteful..I don't know. At least this build is slightly more original.

Edit: Thanks for the suggestion Coke. Changed the Para a lot..Ill work on it more later.

coleslawdressin · Feb 05, 2007, 04:40 AM // 04:40

Vermillion: I haven't clicked too many of the recent gwshack links even yet but I read yours and it is okay. Some of the paragon skill choices/attribs are questionable though. One friendly tip for anyone ever setting up attributes on a paragon with GFTE - If you can only have 9 to 11 spear go for 10 because the damage jump when you crit vs 60AL is most significant, something like 33/39/43. I hadn't thought of using weapon of fury to make thumpers actually playable, but besides that skill I would change the rest of them hehe.

Mystic: You are right fake shocks could be one aspect of good spike calling with melee, and you don't need a teleport if you are any good. I still don't like those builds really TBH though.

K, for all...... Next weekend is 8v8 trial week(end) or w/e. The contest runs until approximately 1 day after 6v6 returns. BTW not one person who supports 6v6 has had the balls to post a build yet, surprised.

CassiusDrehyg · Feb 05, 2007, 09:22 AM // 09:22

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Originally Posted by Mystic-

Heard of fake shocks?

Yes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mystic-

Thats how I used to call against team with good prots so never had a problem with that. And with the Mesmer - Dervish build, so what if you see it coming? You can't do anything if your constantly blacked out :O

The only problem I can see with Shadow Form is the fact that when it falls off, you lose all that HP, but then again I can assume you have good enough communication with the people you know to work around that. Otherwise I think that's a solid build.

The Silver Star · Feb 05, 2007, 12:11 PM // 12:11

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Originally Posted by CassiusDrehyg

The only problem I can see with Shadow Form is the fact that when it falls off, you lose all that HP, but then again I can assume you have good enough communication with the people you know to work around that. Otherwise I think that's a solid build.

I agree i also think that there is probably a more suitable elite then Shadow Form that could be used, i think it will would probably turn out more of a problem than helping imo. Otherwise good solid build, i see people all have the classic sb/infuse, that was really mostly what i played when i played balanced however maybe another elite other than SB would be of use for example, HH or maybe even Healers Boon with no infuse and Other instead.

Mystic- · Feb 05, 2007, 02:21 PM // 14:21

Only reason for Shadow form is that you can run in and over extend as much as you want without dying, and Imo, 2 monks who cant heal and a prot which is basically useless? Monk drops in 8-10 seconds tops. obviously you'd run away before it ends ^^ It's just a fun build as coke said he doesnt wanna see a boring build.. but if he still thinks thats boring, i'll write something up more serious for the current meta later

coleslawdressin · Feb 05, 2007, 11:17 PM // 23:17

Why would you need to use shadow form just to get to monks in tombs no less? That is just retarded. If you really want to waste your elite and secondary to do that use AOD.

s w o r d y · Feb 06, 2007, 02:37 AM // 02:37

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Originally Posted by Mystic-

Only reason for Shadow form is that you can run in and over extend as much as you want without dying

extension in HA?

Mystic- · Feb 06, 2007, 10:04 AM // 10:04

yesh, at the start of most fights vs. spike builds, if someone over extends they die. Anyway I wasnt sure what to use and mesmers are such squishes I thought it would be a good idea, I wasnt even being serious about the build xD, if I was it wouldnt be anything like that. anyway this coke dude doesnt even know what he's looking for, this is just a waste of time.