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Randomway Ftw · Mar 10, 2007, 11:43 PM // 23:43

It seems strange that ANET has not given us any information regarding HA changes, while it is obvious that anet is working on things that are less important. It appears to me that ANET is in denial about the changes negatively affecting halls, to top it all off it appears that ANET has analyzed the options and refused to reimplement 8v8, a mode that is widely accepted to be better for the arena, based on the QQing of a few PVEers who have issues with spike, not to mention the fact that certain changes encourage spike.

Until we hear otherwise I think it is logical to assume that ANET believes the changes are fine, and 8v8 is bad.

I apoligize in advance to those who would be offended or irritated by a thread like this, but it is the only way to get ANETs attention. Please don't lock/delete.

Edit by Billiard: Minor edits after exchanging PMs with OP.

TLLOTS · Mar 10, 2007, 11:54 PM // 23:54

With such a lovely and insightful post I can't imagine why the mods would ever delete one of your threads

Have a bit of patience, I have no doubt the answers are coming as quickly as possible.

Randomway Ftw · Mar 10, 2007, 11:56 PM // 23:56

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Originally Posted by TLLOTS

With such a lovely and insightful post I can't imagine why the mods would ever delete one of your threads

Have a bit of patience, I have no doubt the answers are coming as quickly as possible.

8 months of patience and what do we get, HA 10X worse than original 6v6, and 20x worse than 8v8.

luilui · Mar 11, 2007, 12:00 AM // 00:00

yea, at least a respond whatever that is. rather it's 6v6, 8v8, need more time to decide, anything. keeping quiet is not doing anyone any good.

LifesRestorer · Mar 11, 2007, 12:54 AM // 00:54

HA started to die the day A-Net started tampering with it. the player-dev bond within the HA community is so weak its unbelievable.

changes are made to compliment the 'majority' of the community, even when the community that matters is the one currently in state. stupid decisions mount up even higher when testing a DOUBLE FAME WEEKEND somehow became a good idea.

further tests changing both skill balances and map mechanics does nothing, if not breaking the arena even more because doing this makes it unable to see the problems at hand. problems could either be from the map mechanics or the skill changes, but doing both at the same time is just plain stupid.

after 8 months of cries from the HA community to change thier beloved arena back to 8v8, we get a stupid test weekend with dumb mechanics and overpowered skills.

now, the latest problem of another lack of communication from devs to players, after promising words at the end of february at what was to come of HA, no word. we are now 11 days into march and not even so much as 'we are still debating about it' from anyone.

I understand that they have a celestial tournament done by hand to deal with, but making a decision like this, when the answer is so clear takes around 3 seconds. we never got a chance at old 8v8 HA with NF skills, so just let us play the game instead of trying to please the QQing from the minority of people, who dont even play HA anyway.

Yunas Ele · Mar 11, 2007, 01:00 AM // 01:00

I think ANet's realized majority of the old HA fanbase has already rage quit the game and hates ANet already. Sure, a few will come back if they fix HA, but ANet is a company out to make money, not a charity. Their marketing analysis department (or whatever the hell its called) probably realized that the amount of money made from returning HA players who would buy C4 is not enough to warrant the time spent fixing HA. The time would be better spent on pleasing PvErs who will definitely buy more character slots and for sure buy C4.

So to sum it up, ANet realized they'd make more money pleasing PvErs than pleasing a couple of people who would return to the game. At least thats what I'm speculating.

I mean if ANet was actually working on something with HA I'm sure Gaile would be here at least saying "Hey guys, sorry, our plans for HA are taking longer than expected. We'll give you more updates soon. Thanks and sorry for the delay..." or something like that. But she isn't. We haven't heard anything. Whys that? Because they can't just bluntly say "LOL, our marketing analysis department realized you aren't worth the time, see ya!"

So ya.... thats my speculation...

defrule · Mar 11, 2007, 01:06 AM // 01:06

I wouldn't be surprised if Yunas Ele's speculation is accurate.

It's sad how the HA community has established this opinion of Anet. It just shows how bad things are right now.

Randomway Ftw · Mar 11, 2007, 01:09 AM // 01:09

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Originally Posted by defrule

I wouldn't be surprised if Yunas Ele's speculation is accurate.

I agree, it's really disapointing what has happened.

Death_From_Above · Mar 11, 2007, 11:58 PM // 23:58

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Originally Posted by TLLOTS

With such a lovely and insightful post I can't imagine why the mods would ever delete one of your threads

Have a bit of patience, I have no doubt the answers are coming as quickly as possible.

PATIENCE, PATIENCE YOU SAY. what you do you think we have been doing now for the past almost a year. Come on a whole dam year thats just stupid, basically their doing what blizard done with diablo. I guess the apple does not fall far from the tree. If anet were not wimps and accepted them messed up halls in the first place we wouldnt be in this dilema.

Sure they messed up but if they just admitted it like any good company does then fair enough. But the fact they tried living in denial and then forcing a stupid broken system of kill count on us is unbelieveable. I would like to know exactly whos making all of these descisions. Its rediculous, and yes as youv said the fact that players are gettin wound up now with the company and now have nothing pleasent to say about it is rather sad i must say. Definatly wont be voting gw for game of the year now. Its almost like they liturally are trying to wind up the pvp community. Like liturally pushing their luck, seeing how far they can go because the list of stupid stuff they have done is beyound me. Ok you brought 6v6.

We said we want 8v8. so wat in the freeking world are you doing putting kill count their. did we ask for that no. And then to rub it in we complain about this and you rub it in by letting over powerd skills and a sucky kc run for like 3 months. And i think what was insult to injury, was when you made 8v8 with kill count for weekend. i think that was liturally just asking for trouble. Basically as i see it, anet spent time on the stupid kill count which if you implimented and used half of your brain, seeing it didnt work would have removed it.

And because they spent time making kill count, (oh wow you spent like a month designing it when HA has been their for a year and now you plan on leavin HA for another year) come on you must admit that sounds stupid, we need to revamp HA but yet you plan on doing it by making such silly lame little changes? Anyways after spending like say 1 month working on kill count, anet thought oh look we spent ages on this although its like only update HAs had for 1 year. So their like well we cant let this work go to waste. So no matter what lets keep it for as long as possible. Another reason i think they are living in denail claiming everyone likes it is because if i recall i remember Galie saying stuff like, oh anets working on HA at the moment, new mechanics you guys will love it i promise you.

Then after seeing it sucks she and the company realise they look stupid. So to salvage their pride the put on a vizard that it does work. Then to try and tick the players off even more, you claim the changers were for the best and were good and based it on a stupid poll for 6v6 which no one even knew about. Anet certainly have been pushing the right buttons to lose alot of their players. No wonder WoWs making more money, its because anets handing them their players and they dont care.

Tiyuri · Mar 12, 2007, 04:22 AM // 04:22

I asked around on IRC today and apparently they are still.. deciding.

Nurse With Wound · Mar 12, 2007, 04:24 AM // 04:24

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Originally Posted by Tiyuri

I asked around on IRC today and apparently they are still.. deciding.

still deciding? Well at least it will be well thought decision, that will shake the foundations of the universe. If they still cant decide, how about tossing a coin?

Tiyuri · Mar 12, 2007, 04:36 AM // 04:36

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Originally Posted by Nurse With Wound

still deciding? Well at least it will be well though decision, that will shake the foundations of the universe. If they still cant decide, how about tossing a coin?

It is getting a bit much, the kill count ganking especially.

OneArmedScissor · Mar 12, 2007, 07:38 AM // 07:38

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Originally Posted by Yunas Ele

I think ANet's realized majority of the old HA fanbase has already rage quit the game and hates ANet already. Sure, a few will come back if they fix HA, but ANet is a company out to make money, not a charity. Their marketing analysis department (or whatever the hell its called) probably realized that the amount of money made from returning HA players who would buy C4 is not enough to warrant the time spent fixing HA. The time would be better spent on pleasing PvErs who will definitely buy more character slots and for sure buy C4.

So to sum it up, ANet realized they'd make more money pleasing PvErs than pleasing a couple of people who would return to the game. At least thats what I'm speculating.

I mean if ANet was actually working on something with HA I'm sure Gaile would be here at least saying "Hey guys, sorry, our plans for HA are taking longer than expected. We'll give you more updates soon. Thanks and sorry for the delay..." or something like that. But she isn't. We haven't heard anything. Whys that? Because they can't just bluntly say "LOL, our marketing analysis department realized you aren't worth the time, see ya!"

So ya.... thats my speculation...

Finally someone has realized this too.

Lord Natural · Mar 12, 2007, 08:50 AM // 08:50

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Originally Posted by Yunas Ele

So ya.... thats my speculation...

I'd agree with that as well.

As far as pvp goes, alliance battles were always the most pve'er friendly type of pvp. It doesn't shock me that the changes to HA resemble this type of pvp. Perhaps a realization on their part that they'd already lost a good portion of the former HA community, so why not appeal the PvE masses in an attempt to get some new blood into the HA mix. Unfortunately HA pug activity seems to be at an all time low, and they've gone and alienated at least some of the remaining HA community with this mess.

Undressed · Mar 12, 2007, 01:19 PM // 13:19

No PvEr'S QQ has anything do with the changes to HA.

HA should have stayed 8vs8, yet with new maps and a longer design-approach so we woudn't have the revert-event and similar less professional moves by Anet. To a degree the dissapointment is understandable.

The PvE playerbase however is gigantic and most likely contributes the most to Anets profit. New weapon skins, armour, pets, quests, missions, storylines. I don't like most of it but I'd rather invest into the majority than please the few ragequitters who move to WoW and Co without leaving the slightest effect on the business.

Kabale · Mar 12, 2007, 01:59 PM // 13:59

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So to sum it up, ANet realized they'd make more money pleasing PvErs than pleasing a couple of people who would return to the game. At least thats what I'm speculating.

Note that many of the ex-HAers are now taking up 100% of their time in GvG. Many have 'converted' fully with no intention of ever returning due to the state of HA at the moment, but no doubt there will be a renewed interest if the place is cleaned up. However, there is still a whole lot of cleaning up left to do :P

Tea Girl · Mar 12, 2007, 02:17 PM // 14:17

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Originally Posted by Yunas Ele

I think ANet's realized majority of the old HA fanbase has already rage quit the game and hates ANet already. Sure, a few will come back if they fix HA, but ANet is a company out to make money, not a charity. Their marketing analysis department (or whatever the hell its called) probably realized that the amount of money made from returning HA players who would buy C4 is not enough to warrant the time spent fixing HA. The time would be better spent on pleasing PvErs who will definitely buy more character slots and for sure buy C4.

So to sum it up, ANet realized they'd make more money pleasing PvErs than pleasing a couple of people who would return to the game. At least thats what I'm speculating.

I mean if ANet was actually working on something with HA I'm sure Gaile would be here at least saying "Hey guys, sorry, our plans for HA are taking longer than expected. We'll give you more updates soon. Thanks and sorry for the delay..." or something like that. But she isn't. We haven't heard anything. Whys that? Because they can't just bluntly say "LOL, our marketing analysis department realized you aren't worth the time, see ya!"

So ya.... thats my speculation...

Bingo! 50% of my usual HA Flist is gone.... Left to play other games for good =) It's funny to see halls filled with ex-bspikers running around with their happy-go meta.

And I love speculations... People kinda noticed the assassin/ritualist HA buff was made to attract more newcomers to buy Guild Wars Fractions. No benefits for Anet to remove kill count now, right? =P

therangereminem · Mar 12, 2007, 02:37 PM // 14:37

ok anet did give info on ha this weekend it will go bvack to 8v8 for a week and there willbe new balance changes then also they fear 8v8 makes build to strong andover powering thats why thereis 6v6 they how ever said that after the week it will go back to 6v6 and there will be more balnced skills changes ad then they will give us the answer 8v8 or 6v6 thans you guys

defrule · Mar 12, 2007, 03:05 PM // 15:05

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Originally Posted by Kabale

Note that many of the ex-HAers are now taking up 100% of their time in GvG. Many have 'converted' fully with no intention of ever returning due to the state of HA at the moment, but no doubt there will be a renewed interest if the place is cleaned up. However, there is still a whole lot of cleaning up left to do :P

i wonder who that can be?

Death_From_Above · Mar 12, 2007, 04:24 PM // 16:24

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Originally Posted by therangereminem

ok anet did give info on ha this weekend it will go bvack to 8v8 for a week and there willbe new balance changes then also they fear 8v8 makes build to strong andover powering thats why thereis 6v6 they how ever said that after the week it will go back to 6v6 and there will be more balnced skills changes ad then they will give us the answer 8v8 or 6v6 thans you guys

where and when did you hear this