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Orphan Anthem · Dec 30, 2006, 10:06 PM // 22:06

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Originally Posted by Yunas Ele

No it wouldn't. The high ranked players of today would continue to do what they do today. Press "N" and "G" (or whatever your friends list and guild list hotkeys are), pm people on those lists and get a group together with those people. Then they'd be higher rank than you again. This wouldn't solve the "problem". I put problem in quotes because its not really a problem. As many before me said, if you actually tried you could get your rank np and soon learn that its meaningless....

Then obviously the only thing to do is to remove Friends list and Guilds from the game completly. SARCASM

not every problem has a solution but for 70-80% of the people this would be a welcome change.

And if rank is now MEANINGLESS then what meaning would adding a tournament with possable prizes for people that want to put in those extra hours

Alazare · Dec 30, 2006, 10:16 PM // 22:16

Imagine they whipe the fame slate clean lol. What would the people r13 close to 14 do? Kill themselves or find Anets devs and kill them lol. There will be no fame reset, that is highly improbable if not IMPOSSIBLE. Deal with it. And you have a totally wrong idea of how teams are made. You whine about rank and rankism and you cant seem to understand that, as Yunas pointed out, teams are NOT consisted of high rank people but of FRIENDS. G an N ftw.

Orphan Anthem · Dec 30, 2006, 10:20 PM // 22:20

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Originally Posted by Alazare

Imagine they whipe the fame slate clean lol. What would the people r13 close to 14 do? Kill themselves or find Anets devs and kill them lol. There will be no fame reset, that is highly improbable if not IMPOSSIBLE. Deal with it. And you have a totally wrong idea of how teams are made. You whine about rank and rankism and you cant seem to understand that, as Yunas pointed out, teams are NOT consisted of high rank people but of FRIENDS. G an N ftw.

for the MOST port G and N is FTW but for poeple just getting into the game without a G and N full of r6+ people HA is doomed to never take off for them.
and if G and N is what they use to decide who they play with then this would not effect you at ALL.

hendrix is vox · Dec 30, 2006, 10:22 PM // 22:22

all i want to say its (if a anet guy read this) i talk about what i know .

Look korean people for exemple A net they a lot of them gone,i have like all my korean friend whos stop or play like 1 time by 5month gw because HA 6vs6 and nf is over powered so i think you need to bring back 8vs8 and nerf Nightfall not because some people cry but because the pvp player get all bored ! all you win with that its a lot of account on ebay and all pvp player bored (look like We are free man [凸O-O] guild petition and Bring back 8vs8 [8vs8] guild)
You say you put 6vs6 because a lot of people was playing during the event .
A net a lot of people was playing during the event BECAUSE IT WAS DOUBLE FAME not because 6vs6 please think about that thanks

Mental Leteci · Dec 30, 2006, 10:23 PM // 22:23

It's true. When I don't have enough people on N or G button I don't play. I played with rank 3 players, but I took them from N or G list, of course now they're rank 8+. Take me for an example. I have an account with a deer (rank 3) , but I still play with rank 11+ people. So do you think I cheat or what? They know me or have me in their friends list. If I played GvG with someone for a month and then I'd be making a HA group, why wouldn't I call that guy I played with even if he has no rank when I know he is a good player.

Alazare · Dec 30, 2006, 10:28 PM // 22:28

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Originally Posted by Orphan Anthem

for the MOST port G and N is FTW but for poeple just getting into the game without a G and N full of r6+ people HA is doomed to never take off for them.

Well no one had G and N when they started playing so why shoud they? G and N is something you get over time by playing and trying. They will get them over time aswell just as I and everyone else did.

leguma · Dec 30, 2006, 10:36 PM // 22:36

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Originally Posted by Mental Leteci

It's true. When I don't have enough people on N or G button I don't play.

QFT

Unranked players think that high-ranked players function on a mercenary based system where the people with the highest fame form a district form a group and go in to "farm" fame, when in fact it is a bunch of friends on vent talking about the most retarded things and enjoying themselves.

Alazare · Dec 30, 2006, 10:38 PM // 22:38

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Originally Posted by leguma

QFT

Unranked players think that high-ranked players function on a mercenary based system where the people with the highest fame form a district form a group and go in to "farm" fame, when in fact it is a bunch of friends on vent talking about the most retarded things and enjoying themselves.

/signed lol

So true

Orphan Anthem · Dec 30, 2006, 10:40 PM // 22:40

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Originally Posted by leguma

QFT

Unranked players think that high-ranked players function on a mercenary based system where the people with the highest fame form a district form a group and go in to "farm" fame, when in fact it is a bunch of friends on vent talking about the most retarded things and enjoying themselves.

I know how the system works but for the average joe player they have neither of this and without either rank or enough friends to play you are out of luck.

So basicly if we had it your way only the people on your friends list and in your guild would be capable of playing HA and screw everyone else. Every single one of the other players on guild wars dont count.

OO I GOT AN IDEA lets change HA into guild and friend list vs guild friend list. YEAH!

Dinkytowner · Dec 30, 2006, 11:14 PM // 23:14

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Originally Posted by Orphan Anthem

I know how the system works but for the average joe player they have neither of this and without either rank or enough friends to play you are out of luck.

So basicly if we had it your way only the people on your friends list and in your guild would be capable of playing HA and screw everyone else. Every single one of the other players on guild wars dont count.

OO I GOT AN IDEA lets change HA into guild and friend list vs guild friend list. YEAH!

I smell another thread lock if we keep down this path...

Orphan, we all started in HA at some point with nobody on our fl and just screwed up, got flamed in teamchat, got flamed in vent and generally found out we didn't know shit about HA while just getting in to it. But, the existence of ppl at with tigers and phoenixes shows that ppl got over this hump and built a reliable list of ppl to play halls with. This is exactly what you have to do. Be friendly, get to know ppl and ask questions when you don't know what's going on. A-net will not fix things up by erasing fame or allowing ppl to "solo" in HA with heros. If you cannot find a smidgeon of personality in yourself and make friends, then go solo UW or play RA. HA is and, with the right changes, will continue to be a community based areana. If you can't make an effort to join this community, you are complaining on the wrong thread. Everyone that posts here regularily understands what it took to build their friends list and get whatever rank they might have.

Gimme Money Plzkthx · Dec 30, 2006, 11:15 PM // 23:15

Hmmm... skimmed the last few posts as it was basically one guy v. the world. I have a solution. Stop crying. All of the high ranked players started at r0 too. We have no advantage over the newer players as we started in the same place. Why should they not have to work as hard as I once did (and indeed, with more skills now, it is easier, I might've worked harder). They should have to work just as hard as I did. We all started at r0, get over it, and go QQ in a corner.

EDIT: Also, the truly good players will advance through the ranks rapidly. I played with my first r9+ when I had 178 fame. Granted, that was luck, as he was just grabbing random people to try a new build himself and he didn't know me. But guess what? Right after that, he invited me to about 50% of his groups... imagine that... And you know how fast I got fame?

Orphan Anthem · Dec 30, 2006, 11:16 PM // 23:16

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Originally Posted by Bacon Goes Monk

It looks better on the WoW forums, but it seemed appropriate. That and QQ was getting old.

Its easy to sit there a give out critasizm when you yourself dont have anything to offer. Lets hear your points about HA. Please blow us away all mighty one

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Originally Posted by Gimme Money Plzkthx

Hmmm... skimmed the last few posts as it was basically one guy v. the world. I have a solution. Stop crying. All of the high ranked players started at r0 too. We have no advantage over the newer players as we started in the same place. Why should they not have to work as hard as I once did (and indeed, with more skills now, it is easier, I might've worked harder). They should have to work just as hard as I did. We all started at r0, get over it, and go QQ in a corner.

You too. you have anything meaningful to say to add to the conversation except your conjecture?

Seems to me most people just came prepared with stones for the glass windows and flame throwers.

Kratos Angel · Dec 30, 2006, 11:17 PM // 23:17

Oh well with all those posts, if Anet doesn't bring back hoh to 8v8 and/or remove or reset ranks, that would be retard lol, and next time that would be useless to ask what we think on the problems.

Bacon Goes Monk · Dec 31, 2006, 12:04 AM // 00:04

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Originally Posted by Orphan Anthem

Its easy to sit there a give out critasizm when you yourself dont have anything to offer. Lets hear your points about HA. Please blow us away all mighty one

Aww my picture got deleted -_-

My points about HA?

1. People like you need to stop QQ'ing about not finding groups. I found groups when I started back in the day of air spike, got into different guilds, and now I'm helping our bambis and wolves in our guild get closer to r9

2. Clearing fame will do a few things:

a. High ranks won't want to regain all that fame, and leave HA/GW.

b. Low ranks will either:
I. Notice everyone else is quitting and quit themselves
II. Get their bambi/wolf/tiger and quit.
III. Whine about how they STILL can't get groups, and demand their heroes back.

3. Removing fame completely will cause some, if not most, people to think "what's the point of HA..." and leave HA/GW.

4. 6v6 has already been proven to be a horrible decision. I'm not repeating why for the 100th time. Bring 8v8 back plz.

5. Chest drops are practically worthless. The only point left to HA is fame (see #2). Raise sigil prices and/or make the drops much much better.

Do I need to go on?

Orphan Anthem · Dec 31, 2006, 12:05 AM // 00:05

How about just the addition of a seasonal HA event like a tourny where the winner gets a prize. The questions to that i would assume is how does one decide who gets to pay and what is the desired impact we are looking for it to have on HA?

Do we want a just sudden flux of players like the HA weekend then it just all ends or do we want a long term effect?

phoenixtech · Dec 31, 2006, 12:08 AM // 00:08

I seriously think this Orphan 0guy just wants attention, either way, ANET isn't stupid enough to wipe fame so let's not even bother discussing it and keep this thread on track.

Orphan Anthem · Dec 31, 2006, 12:11 AM // 00:11

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Originally Posted by Bacon Goes Monk

Aww my picture got deleted -_-

My points about HA?

1. People like you need to stop QQ'ing about not finding groups. I found groups when I started back in the day of air spike, got into different guilds, and now I'm helping our bambis and wolves in our guild get closer to r9

2. Clearing fame will do a few things:

a. High ranks won't want to regain all that fame, and leave HA/GW.

b. Low ranks will either:
I. Notice everyone else is quitting and quit themselves
II. Get their bambi/wolf/tiger and quit.

3. Removing fame completely will cause some, if not most, people to think "what's the point of HA..." and leave HA/GW.

4. 6v6 has already been proven to be a horrible decision. I'm not repeating why for the 100th time.

5. Chest drops are practically worthless. The only point left to HA is fame (see #2). Raise sigil prices and/or make the drops much much better.

Do I need to go on?

Yes 6v6 did have a very negative/possative effect on the game and im sure they had been a million posts about this. Increased chest drops would effect only the top 10% of players that means you havent adressed 90% of HA

your 3rd point is completly valad, but if we find a NEW thing for those players to shoot for maybe it would balance out. Fame as of now is just a measuring stick. Mostly a measurment of how much IWAY you've played.

What do you think is the best option for bringing new players into the game and keeping the old ones?

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Originally Posted by phoenixtech

I seriously think this Orphan 0guy just wants attention, either way, ANET isn't stupid enough to wipe fame so let's not even bother discussing it and keep this thread on track.

My purpose of a fame whipe isnt to piss off players but to clear the way of a new messurment system of who gets to play in the seasonal HA tournament.

Hopes of something new would to be to bring back all those old people who left. And lets face it when people hear OO SOMETHINGS NEW thatsection of the game automaticly gets a boost.

Bacon Goes Monk · Dec 31, 2006, 12:20 AM // 00:20

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Originally Posted by Orphan Anthem

your 3rd point is completly valad, but if we find a NEW thing for those players to shoot for maybe it would balance out. Fame as of now is just a measuring stick. Mostly a measurment of how much IWAY you've played.

I'm guessing youre r3 or lower, considering you think most tigers iwayed it. 85% or so of my tiger was sb/infuse.

Leave this to the people who know about HA.

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Hopes of something new would to be to bring back all those old people who left. And lets face it when people hear OO SOMETHINGS NEW thatsection of the game automaticly gets a boost.

Wrong. 6v6 was new. That section of the game went to hell.

Alazare · Dec 31, 2006, 12:20 AM // 00:20

You should really get this "erase rankg" idea out of your head.

God Apprentice · Dec 31, 2006, 12:32 AM // 00:32

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Originally Posted by Orphan Anthem

I know how the system works but for the average joe player they have neither of this and without either rank or enough friends to play you are out of luck.

So basicly if we had it your way only the people on your friends list and in your guild would be capable of playing HA and screw everyone else. Every single one of the other players on guild wars dont count.

OO I GOT AN IDEA lets change HA into guild and friend list vs guild friend list. YEAH!

You started playing during the double fame weekend, didn't you?

1: Make unranked pugs
2:Friend list people you play with
3:Maybe join a HA oriented guild

Remember friend list is for the win