Curse

tomcruisejr · Dec 29, 2006, 06:16 PM // 18:16

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Originally Posted by hendrix is vox

well at first a big nerf of nightfall; for exemple Avatar of grenth (make a during time lower or something) sandstorm (nerf dmg or something) song of concentration (cancel 1 interupt) ; make more counter for paragorn , bring back burials , nerf searing flames (nerf dmg). That willl be very good but the best will be to bring back 8vs8

. But please make a really fast nerf of nightfall skills because HA is became very boring when you see build like 3 sansdtorm 1 dervish grenth block all on hero gg you win ...

1) Avatar of Grenth is fine (is it hard to blind that guy, or run away from that guy, or not rely on heavy enchants)

2) sandstorm is fine (W - A - S - D, Remove altar maps)

3) song of concentration (change the "NpC capping = win" system)

4) counters for paragon ( kill the paragon, wait for chapter 4)

5) searing flames ( kill the elementalists, W-A-S-D)

overlooked counters/solutions for your nerf-dependent minds.

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Originally Posted by Navaros

6. Stop nerfing every single fun build that most players like playing. There was never anything really wrong with IWAY (good players would never lose to it unless they screwed up, which reasonably means there was no justifiable reason to nerf it), but it got nerfed multiple times because of incessant complaints on fansites. But most players love it so much that they kept playing IWAY anyways throughout all the multiple nerfings. What this should tell Anet - players in the game who popularize builds and enjoy playing them should be who determines what "fun" is --- not fansite posters who complain about anything common that they are incapable of beating. ie: IWAY or any of the other things that were nerfed mostly just because they were popular and fansite posters got disgruntled because they couldn't beat them (not because they were overpowered which should be the only reason anything ever gets nerfed). Nerfing every single fun and popular build that comes out makes the players who populate HA in the most numerous amounts, not want to bother playing in HA any more. The players of those builds out-number the complainers about them, so start siding with the players of the builds and keeping their fun intact, not the complainers'.

so true. don't hate the game, hate the players.

Mental Leteci · Dec 29, 2006, 06:25 PM // 18:25

1) Avatar of Grenth is fine indeed, it's only stupid that you can't do anything about it when he puts it, you can just run -.-
2) Sandstorm isn't fine. I'm playing it also and I can see the damage it does. Have you ever tried to W - A - S - D against 6 sandstorms? Have you ever tried to do that on an altar map where your ghost gets killed by 6 sandstorms+obs flame spike?
3) Song of concentration should just stop one or 2 interrupts, not all. Like this any altar map is luck. Ghost never starts capping at the same time so whose ghost starts capping 1st that teams win. Pretty lame IMHO since you can't affect it.
4) There are enough counters to paragon, but you can't use all that in 6v6. (go,go 8v8)
5) Searing Flames - lol, couldn't you just say that for any class? Kill the elementalist? : )))))))))))))))) Couldn't you just kill dervish also when he puts Grenth up?

Anyway Searing Flame is crap anyway.

tomcruisejr · Dec 29, 2006, 08:37 PM // 20:37

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Originally Posted by Mental Leteci

5) Searing Flames - lol, couldn't you just say that for any class? Kill the elementalist? : )))))))))))))))) Couldn't you just kill dervish also when he puts Grenth up?

Anyway Searing Flame is crap anyway.

so how can you counter searing flames without taking down elementalists? nerf? lol

sure same for grenth dervish. kill it when it overextends instead of asking nerfss

Dinkytowner · Dec 29, 2006, 08:47 PM // 20:47

You know, alot of these problems with SF, SS and Grenth could be solved if you could fit a little utility back in your builds. Basicly, bring back 8v8 so I can play mesmer (utility) again in halls and I can think of many fun ways to make the ppl playing these builds want to throw things through their computer monitor.

JR · Dec 29, 2006, 08:48 PM // 20:48

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Originally Posted by tomcruisejr

so how can you counter searing flames without taking down elementalists? nerf? lol

sure same for grenth dervish. kill it when it overextends instead of asking nerfss

That is one of the most idiotic posts I have read on these forums. And believe me when I tell you that is really saying something.

Kratos Angel · Dec 29, 2006, 09:12 PM // 21:12

Hem guys may we go back to the main subject of this thread ?

B Ephekt · Dec 29, 2006, 09:57 PM // 21:57

I agree that Grenth is a little too brainless, but running a mesmer is a nice counter for most of the current annoying builds. With a dom mes you can PD Grenth or divert his attack skills, divert Searing/Sandstorm and PD Song before interrupting the team's ghost. Shame and Diversion spam has also gotten 100xs better with all the horrible heroway rank monks out and about.

The only drawback of running a mesmer in 6v6 is having to find a 3 character offensive/defensive setup or run a spike.

tomcruisejr · Dec 30, 2006, 12:31 AM // 00:31

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Originally Posted by Bread Fan

As to Tom perhaps you should play something else besides a warrior cause back in the day people used to bring along sig humility to shut down an RC etc....That would own the searing flames.

Tell that to the guys who think that searing flames is overpowered.

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Originally Posted by JR-

That is one of the most idiotic posts I have read on these forums. And believe me when I tell you that is really saying something.

i blame boredom.

GTD · Dec 30, 2006, 02:32 AM // 02:32

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Originally Posted by Navaros

I was a long-time HA player but I lost interest and I hardly play in it any more. Here are things that if done, would make it interesting again.

How to improve HA:

3. Make it 8v8 again. Almost every single good player hates the 6v6 because it gives less options work with and is a dumbed-down version of what Tombs originally was.

4. Put back in Heroes. It was one of NF's selling points, and it's unfair to nerf them out of HA a few months after NF was sold on that premise just because a vocal minority of players on the forums complain about them. Heroes were vastly popular in HA because most players loved using them in HA. Therefore, stop drastically changing the HA game due to the whims of players who post on this board or any fansite board.

5. Make every gold item that drops in HoH be worthwhile, with no crap mods, no crap skins, and no crap reqs. From my experience most of them aren't worth 600g, which again speaks to the vast lack of reward or point for being successful in HA.

6. Stop nerfing every single fun build that most players like playing. There was never anything really wrong with IWAY (good players would never lose to it unless they screwed up, which reasonably means there was no justifiable reason to nerf it), but it got nerfed multiple times because of incessant complaints on fansites. But most players love it so much that they kept playing IWAY anyways throughout all the multiple nerfings. What this should tell Anet - players in the game who popularize builds and enjoy playing them should be who determines what "fun" is --- not fansite posters who complain about anything common that they are incapable of beating. ie: IWAY or any of the other things that were nerfed mostly just because they were popular and fansite posters got disgruntled because they couldn't beat them (not because they were overpowered which should be the only reason anything ever gets nerfed). Nerfing every single fun and popular build that comes out makes the players who populate HA in the most numerous amounts, not want to bother playing in HA any more. The players of those builds out-number the complainers about them, so start siding with the players of the builds and keeping their fun intact, not the complainers'.

11. Bring back Burial Mounds.

12. Add in new maps and new content to HA.

13. Increase the rewards in HA by a ton. Add new rewards too. A major reason people don't like playing in HA is because the "reward to time/effort/skill/agony investment ratio" is horrendous.

WOW, you sure said a mouthful Navaros - and I agree with you 100% on the above points.

There are three main reasons HA is in decline.

1. The switch to 6v6 has driven a lot of the better/elite players away because the 6 man format is so restrictive in what a person can do with a build. The better/elite players thrive on creativity, and ANet has taken a lot of that creativity away. Please bring back 8v8.

2. HA has become stale. New maps, new and better rewards would certainly rejuvenate HA and get new people to play and bring back some of those who have left. A new facelift is long overdue.

3. Last and not least, quit nerfing the popular builds such as IWAY and Heroway. I feel very strongly about this point. At some point in time, everybody is going to have to come to the realization that the vast majority of people who play GW are casual players - and yes that includes PvP'rs. By taking away the popular and easily run builds such as IWAY, ANet has chased away the majority of those casual players. Unskilled and new players need easy builds to organize and run so they can at least have a small amount of success. If they do not taste success at least occasionaly, they will not play - at least not for very long and by forcing them into using more complex and harder to organize builds, those players have left HA and will never come back.

I've never really fully understood the argument the hardcore HA'rs make against builds such as IWAY and Heroway. On one hand they don't like to go against a team running this type of build. But on the other hand, they say that it is easy to defeat. So what's the problem? If they are so easy to beat than that means more fame and faction. Plus, by the time you reach the later maps, the weak teams running the gimmick builds have mostly been weeded out and your facing competition worthy of being there - barring the ocassional skip.

So ANet, if you want more people in HA, stop listening to the whiners and let the casual players have their easily run and organized gimmick builds. It takes nothing away from competetive gameplay, and more importantly, it keeps people interested.

gasmaskman · Dec 30, 2006, 02:52 AM // 02:52

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So what's the problem? If they are so easy to beat than that means more fame and faction.

Why do you always think we just want the fame and faction? Geez. It's boring as hell to run against SF heroway.

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So ANet, if you want more people in HA, stop listening to the whiners and let the casual players have their easily run and organized gimmick builds. It takes nothing away from competetive gameplay, and more importantly, it keeps people interested.

It takes away the FUN from competitive play. Gimmick builds aren't bad, but when every person you fight runs some sort of smoke trap/steady stance/jagged bones build it gets BORING FAST. IT'S BORING. THAT'S IT. QQ you can't run HA solo, it's not meant to be like that. Nerfing builds happen not because of whiners, but because Anet probably realised how much a skill was overpowered.

Gimme Money Plzkthx · Dec 30, 2006, 03:16 AM // 03:16

Right, anet nerfs all builds because of whiners because they definitely ALWAYS listen to the GW population. This leads to whining getting skills nerfed when they don't actually need a nerf... oh wait, if they listen to the GW population, why are we playing 6v6 again?

Bacon Goes Monk · Dec 30, 2006, 03:54 AM // 03:54

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Originally Posted by Gimme Money Plzkthx

Right, anet nerfs all builds because of whiners because they definitely ALWAYS listen to the GW population. This leads to whining getting skills nerfed when they don't actually need a nerf... oh wait, if they listen to the GW population, why are we playing 6v6 again?

I have an idea why they made it 6v6.

Their servers couldn't handle 8v8. They thought "if we make ha 6v6, less people will play, and less connections would be needed per match. Then our servers won't be as bad." So they did it. And apparently it worked.

I may be wrong, but it sure seems likely.

JR · Dec 30, 2006, 04:01 AM // 04:01

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Originally Posted by Bacon Goes Monk

I have an idea why they made it 6v6.

Their servers couldn't handle 8v8. They thought "if we make ha 6v6, less people will play, and less connections would be needed per match. Then our servers won't be as bad." So they did it. And apparently it worked.

I may be wrong, but it sure seems likely.

That is complete garbage.

Bacon Goes Monk · Dec 30, 2006, 04:07 AM // 04:07

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Originally Posted by JR-

That is complete garbage.

Just think about it. When 6v6 was introduced, there were less err7's and less lag.

JR · Dec 30, 2006, 04:09 AM // 04:09

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Originally Posted by Bacon Goes Monk

Just think about it. When 6v6 was introduced, there were less err7's and less lag.

How does making HA 6v6 reduce server load on a universal scale? There would still be the same number of players, just spread across more matches.

Randomway Ftw · Dec 30, 2006, 04:16 AM // 04:16

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Originally Posted by JR-

How does making HA 6v6 reduce server load on a universal scale? There would still be the same number of players, just spread across more matches.

People raged HA.

Gimme Money Plzkthx · Dec 30, 2006, 04:18 AM // 04:18

Servers had nothing to do with it (or at least very little).

defrule · Dec 30, 2006, 04:30 AM // 04:30

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Originally Posted by JR-

How does making HA 6v6 reduce server load on a universal scale? There would still be the same number of players, just spread across more matches.

Exactly, it's like saying dividing 12 people into groups of 3 requires less food to feed than groups of 4 which is silly.

Bacon Goes Monk · Dec 30, 2006, 04:34 AM // 04:34

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Originally Posted by Randomway Ftw

People raged HA.

You win!

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Originally Posted by JR-

How does making HA 6v6 reduce server load on a universal scale? There would still be the same number of players, just spread across more matches.

But smaller groups per actual server = less resources used.

JR · Dec 30, 2006, 04:39 AM // 04:39

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Originally Posted by Randomway Ftw

People raged HA.

They had no idea that people WOULD rage HA when they implemented the change. Believe me, the idea that Anet introduced 6v6 to lighten the load on their servers is ridiculous.