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tomcruisejr · Mar 15, 2007, 08:53 PM // 20:53

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Originally Posted by OneArmedScissor

Again, you're completely oblivious to the point I was trying to make. There is no possible way to accurately claim that the "67.890% of the total pplz for 8vs8 are those who quit the game" when you have yet to interview a significant portion of those voters. I find it strange that people like yourself want to back up 8v8 with "facts," but when it comes to things like this, you impose your statements as if they're facts when, in actuality, nothing more than speculations.

I speculated. I just mashed some keys on my keyboard.

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Originally Posted by Lord Mendes

Well, technically we didn't "quit". I for one will return if the vote goes my way, and I know plenty of people who will aswell. If we will return, therefore generate future sales, then we deserve to be counted otherwise the numbers will end up scewed.
The only reason I quit as opposed to people who stayed is that HA was the only mode that I really enjoyed.
Look, HA had many problems, but 8v8 was never one of them.

But there are people enjoying the HA now. So do you want them to feel bad and quit and play wow or try fury?

Franco Power · Mar 15, 2007, 09:08 PM // 21:08

Scout is a funny guy with interesting points....

Tea Girl · Mar 15, 2007, 09:18 PM // 21:18

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Originally Posted by milan

Why all the assumptions here? Do I have a hidden webcam in my computer room where you can see when and where I play?

I started HA'ing about 19 months ago, had a long break from GW came back about a month before the 6v6 was implemented. I'm a casual HA'er now and and PvE as well. I've gained ranks 4-6 with the 6v6 system. Yes I Pug for the most part althoug there are people on my friends list that I occasionally get together with.

I just want to point out that you might not have truly experienced high-level 8v8 play and just come here to whine about HA-er's whining for 8v8 from your first post in this thread (lol I am whining about a whiner who whined about whiners!). We all love good updates to make the game more fun but 90% of the HA updates in the past 8-months makes HA far less enjoyable for many regular HA players.

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Originally Posted by milan

A question for you guys. You're all up in arms because of the 6v6 situation and believe you are 100% correct in your demands. If HA does revert to 8v8 how would you respond if a campaign was launched by those who prefer 6v6 to go back to it?

Just because you may believe 8v8 is better than 6v6, that doesn't make it so for everyone.

Opinions are like a**eholes, everyone has one.

We all have opinions because doh! we are human. But the thing is: most highly experienced HA-ers (especially the ones I know) pointed out there are more advantages in 8v8 compare to 6v6. If you want to read these posts, go to any 8v8 vs. 6v6 related threads in this section.

As for the new campaign, it's possible for anet to have a 40:70 lost of buyers (who focus on HA). As far as I know, half of my HA friendlist already moved on to another game which means Anet already lost some supporter for their next campaign. Is the number of players who left or not going to purchase the next campaign because of 6v6/8v8 significant? My guess is no because GW probably has more PvE/GVG supporters but still, I don't know the outcome =) We will have to wait and see.

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Originally Posted by Undressed

That's the typical HA scrub's answer. 8vs8 was a spike/scrubfest (which its design so promoted), of course nobody's pointing at himself so how could it be broken?

Blaming PvEr's for HA's "demise" is the best joke about this thread. Bring it on.

Alternatively get a job and learn that profit is king, and since PvErs are Anets best supporters, you and your scrubmates better get 10 PvP-Editions of GW each to even out the "imbalance" or stop demanding "improvements", because you are cleary NOT adding to the business.

I sense bitterness from your post. Way to post a meaningless troll post here just to show us your ignorance and indifference toward the HA community and the state of HA.

I never blamed PvErs for HA's problems. I blamed ANet for not spending a fair amount of time devoting to the other part of the game -- HA. Namely HA players are so under-represented in Alpha (so far I only know one HA guild that's in Alpha). Ofcus PvP-ers can demand improvements to HA because we paid ~$150 for all three campaign just like every other PvErs did.

Your so called "scrubs" are probably people who play only one build for 95% of his/her fame in HA. Then yes, I don't like HA scrubs either. But I don't like the most is your non-constructive post.

Lord Mendes · Mar 15, 2007, 09:36 PM // 21:36

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Originally Posted by tomcruisejr

But there are people enjoying the HA now. So do you want them to feel bad and quit and play wow or try fury?

Well, we could debate this all night but the fact of the matter is that there is no right answer. It's like the Israeli-palestinian conflict (for those of you imbred enough not to know what I am talking about, just ignore this part), where the original occupents are claiming the land as theirs, and the current occupents want to remain in it.
My MAIN point was that you said that the people enjoying it now also enjoy other aspects of the game, which is true for the most part, whereas the people that only enjoy(ed) HA stuck solely to that one arena.
Please stop ignoring my point and start responding to my actual statements the way they are written.
I am going to say that many people including myself were enjoying it, and we quit to play wow or fury so other people, who happen to be less than us, can enjoy it. Now you can't make everybody happy, but the sheer number of districts has proven that the change has actually decreased the regular population of HA.
Also, playing WoW and Fury is irrelivant since most people will come back to HA if it proves promising.

Randomway Ftw · Mar 15, 2007, 09:44 PM // 21:44

Also don't forget that many people don't like the changes, but are still playing, some people don't care either way.

Death_From_Above · Mar 15, 2007, 11:02 PM // 23:02

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Originally Posted by Nadia Roark

The "parallel" questions you have asked me are obtuse and pointless. The main difference between playing a game and returning a product is that you only pay for the content of the game (which is why it can't be returned once it's opened) whereas you may use a piece of equipment for its functionality. When we buy games there is no guarantee, really, that we will enjoy the content, or that it will even be worth our time. It's a gamble. It's a gamble we chose to take based off of our best guesses and game reviews (and, in my case, based off a lack of monthly fees). If the company ends up doing things that change the content of the game it's their business and hey--if they leave it all munged up and boring it's their business since they own the content of the game and always will.

Also, if there's one thing I've learned in my years on this planet, it's that large bodies of people take a long time to do things. Everything from rock concerts to shuttle lift-offs are usually just the tiniest bit off schedule, due to the nuances of mass organization of which, thankfully, most of us are not aware. I don't know whats taking so long and I'm not thrilled with it either, but when I take a step back from my desk I see a computer screen with a character on it, and two windows on either side showing the real world going by. It puts things into perspective.

Correction, it can be returned even when its opened. Happened with me and friends many times for example if we have got wrong game or what ever. But the whole point i believe from my so called "parallel" questions which you still have not answered. Is how would you react in that sitation. Nothing to do with returning a game were talking about returning a product as you said. Or say when you get charged 200 pounds for 10 pound shoes at a shop and they refuse to give your money back for example. Im sure you have had a case like this happen to you during your life whether it be with a company a shop or whatever. Now as i said, what i am curious about is how would you react when the company claim they are in the right when they are clearly in the wrong. It will infuriate you wouldnt it. I wouldnt be surprised to be honest if you either
1.) Knocked the guy chatting rubbish out with a handbag or what ever you could grab your hands on.

2.) Flammed him untill he was crying for his mother.

3.) Threatened to sue, complain or call in your lawyers while shouting giving them the biggest owning ever.

The point here im trying to make. Is in certain sitations. Humans do things which others may see as childish or immature. But if you look at the situation its rather reasonable. Its only simple that if you push someone there going to lose their cool. Now if you can honestly tell me if you where in a sitation like that you would remain calm as you are even though there saying stuff which are proposterous. And either walk away because you think standing there complaining will have no effect. Now in the same way thats what we pvpers are doing. We are voicing our anger at the way we have been mistreated. Now is there anything wrong with acting the way you would act in a sitation like that i have discribed.

Now about you inferance about gw being just a game because theres a real world out side it. I think your missing the point. None of the HAers complaining are sados well least i randomway coleswin and many others arnt and im sure your not. We dont spend forever on the forms complaining. Its when we do come on however we type up a 10 min speach showing out anger. Now in what wats ways is that treating gw more than just a game? Were doing what poloticians do, discusing and putting our points across. Were spending no time more doing this than you are so please tell me how we treat this more than just a game just because were showing our views more openly and clearly for all to see than you are?

Death_From_Above · Mar 15, 2007, 11:14 PM // 23:14

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Originally Posted by OneArmedScissor

Sorry, but you're, again, blatantly implying that those individuals you know voted for 8v8. As such, this only hence succeeds in making your statements appear as nothing more than asinine and foolish. One can reasonably infer that you are just as asinine and foolish as well.
I am not trying to deny anything here. I am simply making it clear to you and others that your statements regarding individuals that voted for 6v6 do not HA are, at best, fatuous.
Oh let me guess, it doesn't matter because of your personal experiences, which should never be applied to a public issue as such.

I nominate Randomway Ftw as the offical forum sh*tter.

Nah im sorry dude i nominate you for that possition. Obviosusly chatting out of ignorance. Use your common sence and maybe some research before you run your mouth or rather should i say your hands down your keyboard. If you actually when down onto th polls you would see that the posts on it. Some pvers posted on it hence why Galie or was it alex i cant remeber then posted on the polls saying. I repeat please do not post if you do not regularly play HA ect.

Obviously this shows randomways statments are not fictional but his judgements are based on common sence. read the posts there. half the people who said they voted for 6v6 mentioned they have only played the 8v8 done with the kill count which sucked. Hence my friend i think you have made yourself look asinine and foolish. In an attempt to make yourself look all political and wise youve made yourself look dumb and hence i say shame onto you. If you want proof for everything my friend then im affraid your living in denial. Do you need proof that the theory of relativity exsists before you accept it? Do you need proof that if you jump out of a building you will die? Do you need proof that if you put to many plugs in a socket it can cause a fire. Yet you know these.

You dont need proof for everything my friend. They say pluto exsists. How do you know have you seen it with your own eyes physicaly. Have you been on it. Therefore its not proof which is reliable you can say. I bet you believe in the theory of evolution. Do you have proof it happened? do some research, deep research an ull find the chances of it happening are 1 out of 10 to the power of 1 with 50 000 zeros after it. Exactly you accept some things and you know somethings because there common sence. Just because you can get proof for things dosent mean you need it in order to get a factual piece. So before you call someone out trying to look good. Check other posts and make sure your well informed.

Undressed · Mar 16, 2007, 12:45 AM // 00:45

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Originally Posted by Tea Girl

I sense bitterness from your post. Way to post a meaningless troll post here just to show us your ignorance and indifference toward the HA community and the state of HA.

I never blamed PvErs for HA's problems. I blamed ANet for not spending a fair amount of time devoting to the other part of the game -- HA. Namely HA players are so under-represented in Alpha (so far I only know one HA guild that's in Alpha). Ofcus PvP-ers can demand improvements to HA because we paid ~$150 for all three campaign just like every other PvErs did.

Your so called "scrubs" are probably people who play only one build for 95% of his/her fame in HA. Then yes, I don't like HA scrubs either. But I don't like the most is your non-constructive post.

Bitterness? Why would I feel bitterness? For what? I enjoy my game, I even enjoyed 8vs8. What I laugh at is angry nerds with wrong priorities repeating themselves day and night, day and night about their special toy called HA which supposedly was stolen from them. That's real bitterness, in- and offgame.

Randomway Ftw · Mar 16, 2007, 12:54 AM // 00:54

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Originally Posted by Undressed

Bitterness? Why would I feel bitterness? For what? I enjoy my game, I even enjoyed 8vs8. What I laugh at is angry nerds with wrong priorities repeating themselves day and night, day and night about their special toy called HA which supposedly was stolen from them. That's real bitterness, in- and offgame.

You're bitter because the noob lamer HA iway, and bspike players get emotes, while gvg players don't, you find it necessary to troll the HA forum.

Death_From_Above · Mar 16, 2007, 12:54 AM // 00:54

I must admit you do seem pretty bitter, cant blame her for stating the obvious

defrule · Mar 16, 2007, 01:55 AM // 01:55

If there was a Most entertaining forum of the year. This HA subforum can win it by itself.

Nadia Roark · Mar 16, 2007, 02:19 AM // 02:19

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Originally Posted by Death_From_Above

More mindless garbage

I didn't answer your question because it's completely and totally irrelevant to the discussion for the reasons I have already listed.

The fact that you or your friend or whoever once managed to return a game because you received the wrong product, does precisely nothing to alter the facts as I have stated them, vis a vis functionality vs. content. On the surface it (undoubteldy) seems perfectly plausible to you to compare dissatisfaction with GW to dissatifaction with, I dunno, a "piece of equipment" like a toaster or a dishwasher or an amplifier--but unfortunately it's not.

ArenaNet is not "in the wrong" because they've made some gameplay changes that you're not happy with. As I've already stated (and probably will continue to) they still own the content. It's theirs to alter as they see fit; which is the second (and possibly more important) reason why your analogy deteriorates rapidly under the merciless lens I like to call "logic."

Bottom line: if you don't like the game, don't play it. If you like it just enough to keep playing it, but feel the need to trumpet your dislike to the heavens here (which is fine--I do it too), at least try to do so in a way that might inspire the company in question to make the changes you are advocating. It's not going to go any faster whether we make angry posts here or not.

Snype · Mar 16, 2007, 02:36 AM // 02:36

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Originally Posted by Undressed

Frustration? How can you get frustration in a game? What did you do in these 8 months besides crying, flaming, whining? You might have switched to another game, taken time off etc...

Gaile Gray is announcing something important, maybe even something pleasing for the old scrubs, yet you still moan.

Get a stable life imo.

Imagine this...

You find a Television program that you LOVE to watch. It runs all its episodes but one and you never get to find out the ending because the creators canceled it. Get it now?

Hippie Bane · Mar 16, 2007, 06:45 AM // 06:45

Wow, Lord Mendes calling folks inbred for not seeing something the way you think it should be seen? You win the internets! 6v6 has caused damage to the PVP community and driven lots of players away, as 6v6 is the domain of annoying gimmick builds and builds that force people to do one thing well at the cost of others. This is a fact. There are lots of people who don't see the point to playing 6v6, but would come back if 8v8 came back.

This is not a "no-win situation" or even, rather dreadfully and incorrectly, the Israeli situation. This is a case of fixing something that wasn't broken and working rather well. If it was the Israeli conflict, then ANet would have given HA to Blizzard, then when Blizzard made it a viable area, ANet decides to take it over after leeching most of Blizzard's basic principles. SOE then tries 4 times to rescue HA, as they are kinda fond of it as well. Fast forward a spot of time, ANet doesn't want HA untill Blizzard returns there, limping after a German game company spends several years trying to remove them from the face of the earth. Then, despite not being the original tenants of HA and only have the barest of ties to the land, then goes before the international community and cries foul. Then, as the international community hates Blizzard, ANet suddenly finds all these backers. They don't particularly agree with ANet, they just hate Blizzard because it has a funny name.

baaba · Mar 16, 2007, 07:17 AM // 07:17

I have to repeat every single time when people talk about 6vs6 or 8vs8.

***Just remove kill count and the stupid format of HoH.***

It doesn't matter if the outcome is 6vs6 or 8vs8. As long as they remove the stupid format in HoH right now, 90% of the people are happy. GG.

urania · Mar 16, 2007, 07:49 AM // 07:49

I wonder if anet would implement chests in TA if ppl would whine enough.

just a side thought to all this, since HA isn't the only (nor the best, imo) choice of a good and competetive pvping... =p

a buff or two to TA would be a good idea to make ppl move away a bit from (way overrated) ha.

Lord Mendes · Mar 16, 2007, 08:20 AM // 08:20

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Originally Posted by Hippie Bane

Wow, Lord Mendes calling folks inbred for not seeing something the way you think it should be seen? You win the internets!

No, actually calling them inbred if they didn't know about the whole israeli-palestinian conflict, since I have met some very clueless people in the US. Scount was saying, "but they are here now, you can't kick them out", and then I said, "We were here first, they kicked us out".
I never called anyone any names. Comprende?
Love your analogy

, especially the German game company.

I totally agree with you by the way, and I am one of the people that will come back if HA becomes worthwhile (read: all my posts on guru, ever). I have been arguying for 8v8 since the first 6v6 weekend, and if you don't believe me ask anyone on this forum. I was merely responding to Scount the non-conformist because he seems to believe that he should go against everyone on this forum just by principle. Just read the "back and forth" between us and you will clearly see that he is just responding with irrelivant one-liners just to have the last word.

Death_From_Above · Mar 16, 2007, 10:33 AM // 10:33

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Originally Posted by Nadia Roark

I didn't answer your question because it's completely and totally irrelevant to the discussion for the reasons I have already listed.
at least try to do so in a way that might inspire the company in question to make the changes you are advocating. It's not going to go any faster whether we make angry posts here or not.

Before we continue this disscusion i just want you to fully understand my examples of returning a product ect. We are not talking about the product ok so leave that out of this. What im refering to is the customer now when they have been unfairly treated and they behave in a manner they do not usualy do. Now what im stating is that your saying many people here are acting like kids because there venting fully (not a little but fully) their frustration on anet. Now this is what im trying to convey through these examples, so ignore the products cos this is not about them. Im asking clearly whether when your unfairly treated like in a case where the bank say charges you triple on your bill or something. And they then claime they are correct.

Do you act as u usual do and not vent or flame? But just like ok no problem good day. Thats what im getting at, im refering to behaviour patterns here not products so you can understand that many people here arnt acting like kids, there meerly acting like any person who has been unfairly treated would. Now do you understand so in light of this can you now address my question please. I have given anet pages upon pages of constructive feedback for so long. Check some of the old HA posts once. I have gone on said anet kill count i tried it probs i found with it were this this this.

Probs i found with 6v6 where this this this giving good explanations and reasons. What did anet do with all that info i gave them and other players. They disected it, took 1 piece of it. Mutated it with radioactive waste. Put it in the washing machine, and the result of it was they decided to remove kill count from just HA. My question is why should i spend my time giving the company constructive feed back if there just going to throw it away? If you make an angry post it reflects the company especialy if its many people which it currently is at mo.

It may actually make anet see there players are getting angry and annoyed now so they should speed stuff up or face the consequences. As iv said Nadia, i have nothing wrong with your views concerning HA, youve seen the arguments ect and the points. My problem however is although you are remaining calm, because you obviously are very pacient. Many of the HA community have high pacients but thats just evapourated now like whater evapourates when heated over time. So when we give anet a piece of our mind, understand were actually giving them a message. If a company is flamed by its members and ignores those flames what often happens is they suffer for it. In the same way thats whats happening here.

Btw one last thing, anyone know why i teh mighty worrier got banned?

eVolves · Mar 18, 2007, 04:05 AM // 04:05

1) Bring back 8v8, 6v6 is just stupid.
2) Bring back altar holding, this is not CS.
3) Hire people to decide game balancing instead of listening to mindless opinionated ranting from players to make a real decision.
4) 1 Izzy does not equal to balanced game.
5) Most players dont even go to forums to post opinions, make more dumb changes and let more people quit like its already happening.
6) Stop releasing new chapters if you cant even balance what you already have.
7) Why the hell is favor even linked to PvP, when favor is needed for PvE? I dont see the connection.
8) It's nice to see that people who played halls earlier got more fame cuz of easier halls, if you really wanna be fair u revert back to 8v8 holding halls like it was in tombs.
9) Less employees = more opinionated decisions and changes = less players = less incoming = even less employees, its a circle...

Anet should learn from WoW, theres a reason blizzard has more players.

Snype · Mar 18, 2007, 04:30 AM // 04:30

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Originally Posted by baaba

I have to repeat every single time when people talk about 6vs6 or 8vs8.

***Just remove kill count and the stupid format of HoH.***

It doesn't matter if the outcome is 6vs6 or 8vs8. As long as they remove the stupid format in HoH right now, 90% of the people are happy. GG.

QFT

Even though I prefer 8v8, I would be OK with tombs being 6v6 as long as this stupid play format is changed back to normal.