Curse

Wilhelm · Apr 04, 2007, 06:46 PM // 18:46

I"d love to see the Trim taken away. Then what? Pay back all these people?

Sakura Haruno · Apr 04, 2007, 10:26 PM // 22:26

eF doesnt kick you after you pay 100k . you get to stay in for 1 month

sad fact is anywya that aslong as both ends are clear 100k vs 1 month membership it is fine and not against the eula but if one were to say kick after 10 min that is against the eula but eF doesnt kick anyway its PUFF that did kicking and well PUFF got sold for 100k + 60 ectos rofl

Dana Hawkeye · Apr 04, 2007, 10:44 PM // 22:44

Selling membership to any Guild, let alone a Gold/Silver trimmed caped one is downright disgusting, dishonerable, degrading and demeaning!

A Guild that has Gold/Silver trimmings to their cape is also an Official ANET 'Notable Guild'. This selling of membership is not what should be expected of a Notable Guild.

They should be setting a fine example to other Guilds, not demeaning them. I hope that ANET takes away their honours, titles, Cape and bans the offenders.

Sakura Haruno · Apr 04, 2007, 10:51 PM // 22:51

they cant lol

miguelguerin · Apr 05, 2007, 01:31 AM // 01:31

Note: I do not like the idea of "member fees" but i am not against them either.
I DO NOT "respect" guild names,tags nor good looking capes, however I DO "respect" great players.
1: Deal is a Deal; they paid to join the guild, and they get the invitation. No scam here.
2: Every single guild have rules to follow. Doesn't matter if you paid, the rules apply for everyone. (Reason for kick)
3: Get information before accepting the deal. Ex: join my R[x] guild for 50k! If you agree with it, you CANNOT expect all what you want; no FACTS to support you, since they only offered an Invitation for an unknown time and/or unknown terms.

Every person can do whatever they want with their money/gold, and guilds can do whatever they want with their guild. This is not affecting the game.

Relambrien · Apr 05, 2007, 02:18 AM // 02:18

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Originally Posted by miguelguerin

Note: I do not like the idea of "member fees" but i am not against them either.
I DO NOT "respect" guild names,tags nor good looking capes, however I DO "respect" great players.
1: Deal is a Deal; they paid to join the guild, and they get the invitation. No scam here.
2: Every single guild have rules to follow. Doesn't matter if you paid, the rules apply for everyone. (Reason for kick)
3: Get information before accepting the deal. Ex: join my R[x] guild for 50k! If you agree with it, you CANNOT expect all what you want; no FACTS to support you, since they only offered an Invitation for an unknown time and/or unknown terms.

Every person can do whatever they want with their money/gold, and guilds can do whatever they want with their guild. This is not affecting the game.

I agree. There's a market for temporary trim guild invitations. People want them. It's not the guilds enticing the players; the players want to be able to be seen with a cape trim, so they willingly pay some money to get a temporary invite. The terms of the invite should, of course, be discussed beforehand, but if it's not, well I'd have to say that's the fault of the buyer.

So if these guilds want to sell invites so that people can get a screenshot with a silver cape, more power to them. As long as they're giving the buyer exactly what they said they'd give him, then I see no fault with this.

Arkantos · Apr 05, 2007, 03:29 AM // 03:29

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They should be setting a fine example to other Guilds, not demeaning them. I hope that ANET takes away their honours, titles, Cape and bans the offenders.

Ban the offenders? They aren't breaking any rules. In fact, they aren't doing anything wrong.

Superdarth · Apr 05, 2007, 05:53 AM // 05:53

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Originally Posted by Dana Hawkeye

Selling membership to any Guild, let alone a Gold/Silver trimmed caped one is downright disgusting, dishonerable, degrading and demeaning!

A Guild that has Gold/Silver trimmings to their cape is also an Official ANET 'Notable Guild'. This selling of membership is not what should be expected of a Notable Guild.

They should be setting a fine example to other Guilds, not demeaning them. I hope that ANET takes away their honours, titles, Cape and bans the offenders.

Its a shame they wont do it, they can do it, but then theyd have to say like "Well, OFFICIALLY you havnt done anything whrong.Unofficialy youre being a bastard and now youre screwed"

Regardless of the official rights or whrong, such a guild dous not deserve what they have. The amount of skill they posess do not make up for it in this case.

Master Ketsu · Apr 05, 2007, 06:13 AM // 06:13

Am I the only one here who thinks its a legitimate way for a good guild to earn money ? Really, people who wish to buy their way into a good guild to earn respect deserve to be ripped off like this. I would never want to join a guild unless I met the requirements, and they met mine.

As old and corny as the saying is: A fool and his money are soon parted.

Dana Hawkeye · Apr 05, 2007, 09:28 AM // 09:28

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

Ban the offenders? They aren't breaking any rules. In fact, they aren't doing anything wrong.

Its not about whether they have broken any rules or not, its about morals. It is NOT morally right to sell memberships to any Guilds, let alone a 'Notabale Guild'. Have you notable Guilds who have done this, no shame?

People go on about how others swear, ragequit, act stupidly and do other misdemenours in towns and outposts - to me, the selling of membership into these said Guilds is no different and is bringing this game into disrepute. I have seen some things that I thought were low in this game, but this has to be the lowest yet. And all for a few gold coins, Shylock seems to spring to mind here.

I will never see any character who 'wears a gold/silver cape' in the same light ever again. If I was in such a Guild I would be ashamed to be associated with them.

I am absolutely disgusted with all of this. I sincerely hope ANET does something about this as surely it cannot condone this practice.

Superdarth · Apr 05, 2007, 09:34 AM // 09:34

[QUOTE=Master Ketsu]Am I the only one here who thinks its a legitimate way for a good guild to earn money ?QUOTE]

Yes.

The noobs who join them might get punished, but who will punish the noobs causing it?They deserve at least as much punishment and now they are becoming stinking rich.

Vikernes Whg · Apr 05, 2007, 11:37 AM // 11:37

i thought a top guild like eF knows more than to start selling invites for money and calling ppl 'pieces of pve trash' or 'learn to pvp before you talk to me'
you cant see anything wrong with them because maybe you're the same?
some of the ppl that bought those invites were calling everyone else noobs as well, so.. who knows they might like eachother
nothing more to say
you're teh best f**k the rest
ps you keep respecting great players while i'll continue to respect decent human beings

conzpi · Apr 05, 2007, 11:45 AM // 11:45

[QUOTE=Superdarth]

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Originally Posted by Master Ketsu

Am I the only one here who thinks its a legitimate way for a good guild to earn money ?QUOTE]

Yes.

The noobs who join them might get punished, but who will punish the noobs causing it?They deserve at least as much punishment and now they are becoming stinking rich.

And this is where it all boils down

Jealousy.

The Cantio · Apr 05, 2007, 12:15 PM // 12:15

who the hell would wanna be in a guild with ppl like conzpi anyway? kthxbai eF

QQ MOAR PLZ IN ADVANCE

Vikernes Whg · Apr 05, 2007, 12:16 PM // 12:16

[QUOTE=conzpi]

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Originally Posted by Superdarth

And this is where it all boils down

Jealousy.

i'm glad you found someone talking about the money part so you can hang your 'jealousy' on it. how about the moral part?
but hey! dont lose to much time around here and go back recruting, you said yourself you made 150k in 1 day, isnt that great?

Avarre · Apr 05, 2007, 01:04 PM // 13:04

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Originally Posted by Vikernes Whg

i'm glad you found someone talking about the money part so you can hang your 'jealousy' on it. how about the moral part?
but hey! dont lose to much time around here and go back recruting, you said yourself you made 150k in 1 day, isnt that great?

Moral part?

Everyone knows what they get out of the transaction, nobody is 'cheated', and, lets be honest, it's just a game.

Fissure armor isn't a testament of skill, it just looks nice. People still pay to wear it. If a cape-trimmed guild wants to create a supply of much more exclusive ornamentation, why not?

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Originally Posted by Dana Hawkeye

I will never see any character who 'wears a gold/silver cape' in the same light ever again.

Like ranked players, because they can pay for fame.
Like champions, because they could just pug/gimmick it.

Are we noticing a pattern here?

Only knowledge of a player can prove whether they are good or not.

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Originally Posted by Dana Hawkeye

It is NOT morally right to sell memberships to any Guilds, let alone a 'Notabale Guild'.

Since you seem to be deciding what is morally right, I have to ask. Who r u?

I have to congratulate you conzpi, both on winning, and on creating such a potentially hilarious source of drama.

conzpi · Apr 05, 2007, 01:21 PM // 13:21

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Originally Posted by Vikernes Whg

i'm glad you found someone talking about the money part so you can hang your 'jealousy' on it. how about the moral part?
but hey! dont lose to much time around here and go back recruting, you said yourself you made 150k in 1 day, isnt that great?

Well I don't have anything on my conscience, and I am 4 mils richer! And nothing you say will affect that so you might aswell stop. And fyi: not recruiting anymore.

Dana Hawkeye · Apr 05, 2007, 02:30 PM // 14:30

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Originally Posted by conzpi

Well I don't have anything on my conscience, and I am 4 mils richer! And nothing you say will affect that so you might aswell stop. And fyi: not recruiting anymore.

FYI: I hope that ANET does fix it and rolls it all back and the 'offenders' get banned.

As for morals, if you dont have morals in a game like this, then you obviously dont have any morals in real life.

It all just cheapens the whole game.

So come on ANET, make a stand, its your game as well.

I just hope that this thing will never happen in Guild Wars 2. I think it is probably time to divorce PVE from PVP.

max gladius · Apr 05, 2007, 02:40 PM // 14:40

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Originally Posted by Avarre

Fissure armor isn't a testament of skill, it just looks nice. People still pay to wear it. If a cape-trimmed guild wants to create a supply of much more exclusive ornamentation, why not?

FOW armor isnt a reward, noone is saying it is, and it shouldnt be compared to one, if you can honestly say it does then you are quite confused

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Like ranked players, because they can pay for fame.
Like champions, because they could just pug/gimmick it.

You cannot just "pay" for fame, you can pay to play with high ranked players... note the word "play" is there
Champion is gvg isnt it?? pug or gimmick high rated gvgs? where have i been...

Quote:

Since you seem to be deciding what is morally right, I have to ask. Who r u?

Morals are not dependant on who someone is.... the question at hand would be where are your morals?

Think through history... what is remembered most? Individuals or groups?

Few quotes...
"Mine honor is my life, both grow in one. Take honor from me, and my life is done. Then, dear my liege, mine honor let me try; In that I live, and for that I will die." William Shakespeare
"Rather fail with honor than succeed by fraud" Sophocles

moriz · Apr 05, 2007, 02:41 PM // 14:41

only jesus can judge. the rest can only speculate. that is all.