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Bread Fan · Mar 27, 2007, 11:37 PM // 23:37

Nah the biggest problem will be noobs saying "OMFG double fame in HA gogogogo". Problem is high ranked players will be taking advantage of this and will be like vultures preying on the noobs. Noobs will get discouraged after two or three runs and think that PvP isn't for them even though it was hardly an even playing field. The only chance they have is to watch ob mode and try out a gimmick.

Lord Natural · Mar 28, 2007, 01:03 AM // 01:03

Mixed feelings. I think 8v8 will make altar matches even worse. Classic 8v8 ftw. Drop the alliance battle bullcrap, keep the new chest, and we're set.

Nurse With Wound · Mar 28, 2007, 01:09 AM // 01:09

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Originally Posted by LifesRestorer

Some of the greats who i used to see just standing about are nowhere to be seen. [CASH],

Wow, someone actually remembers us after all those months?

Yeah, the guild died when HA was changed to 6v6, most of original members left the game forever. Small group is still together, but playing gvg under different name. Im sure we will return to HA now, and I thank the anet for that opportunity. I will also try to pull back some old members who moved to other games....

That being said, I hope that Billard is right, and there will be more changes than just 8v8, killcount really has to go, its very bad.

Im neutral on double fame, because whatever meaning rank got in the good old days, it was nullified to zero because of heroway and 6v6, when first heroway and paragon holding tigers popped in. I just want to have fun winning HOH again.

Mr Jazzy · Mar 28, 2007, 01:16 AM // 01:16

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Originally Posted by Death_From_Above

Put it into perspective. Its taken anet 9 months to acknoledge there wrong. And even yet so we still have lame kill count. Were still worse of than we originaly were.

What a joke. You act as if ANet realized yesterday that hey, our customers don't like the 6v6! But in truth, you must realize that ANet is much busier fulfilling other tasks. For example, I would assume that a bulk of the team is developing Guild Wars 2, to make whiny people like you happy. Did you consider that ANet cannot succumb to every request, and cannot fulfill requests at lightning speed?

Lighten up d00d

The Last Windseeker · Mar 28, 2007, 02:06 AM // 02:06

It is nice to hear that Heroes Ascent will be finally turned back into 8v8. I really hope that it regains some of its' former glory, though, that might just be wishful thinking.

I Brother Bloood I · Mar 28, 2007, 02:06 AM // 02:06

/yawn

HA... lol... no point w/ gw 2 rank will LITERRALY mean absolutley nothing. i thought outside of my alliance someone else would realize that. Dont stress over this... now u can have fun with the game. YES I KNOW! Fun with gw?! are u serious im way to busy acting cool because im leet high rank.

Flame pls...

Mental Leteci · Mar 28, 2007, 12:33 PM // 12:33

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Originally Posted by Elrodien

I can't believe people want altar maps back and the boringway holding builds that come with it..

They don't need to be Altar Maps, they just need to remove kill count cause degen builds don't work.

tacitus · Mar 28, 2007, 12:49 PM // 12:49

if kill count is removed this will be great if not its going to turn into another spike fest. That wont be the fault of 8v8 but of the crap mechanics which hopefully wont be there

elektra_lucia · Mar 28, 2007, 01:07 PM // 13:07

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LOL WTF? L2PLAY 8v8

He was talking about double fame... Omg I wish I could insult on this forum =P.

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Do you seriously think rank 6 meant something before?

True =D.

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Some of the greats who i used to see just standing about are nowhere to be seen. [CASH], [AnSy], [CnoD], [EaT], [MATH]... everyone is gone.

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That's certainly a strange selection of halls "greats"

^^ I second that.

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MATH now is a roleplaying guild with members enjoying FoW and DoA runs and collecting minipets. The guild is abhorring and has abandoned PvP and preventing its members engaging in any of its form because the guild believes that PvP leads to hatred and violence. So PvE ftw.

Maybe the newer MATH people. I still see some of them PVP.

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8vs8 will be cool

. Infusing will now actually be slightly fun. Kill count maps - hmm, not going to say until I've played. Rank won't mean much, but at the moment it doesn't mean much.

So, who cares? The PVE'ers will now be wolfing instead of bambing, big deal xd. I think double fame is a good way to attract people to play regardless of the effect it has =).

Nubcake · Mar 28, 2007, 01:43 PM // 13:43

Have you all forgotten about the fact that the mechanics as of now are setup for a small base of ha players. I'm referring to the waiting time between halls wins. It takes 3 mins for you to enter halls after a team has won halls, this means with double fame, and 8v8 returning. Ha is gonna be flooded with players. I dont know about all of you peeps but I dont like waitng in the vault for 30 mins to get to HoH. Is, or has, anet thought of this mechanic, have you thought of this mechanic? I dont mean to start another flame fest or wine at anet topic, but with the way HoH is setup now; you better get some chips and dip, and a lot of caffiene cause waiting to get into halls is gonna be ridiculous imo.

I sure hope anet took this into consideration, but I think this is just another quick fix. And with this failure, (only referring to anet not fixing this time scale mechanic, if they did then gg forget this post) that means Anet is dooming this fix from the start. I kow there's gonna be a large amount of players whom are gonna be upset at waiting times to get into HoH. Which, in turn, will just drive more people to beliving anet "quick fix" rather than fix a problem correctly. That means, yes you guessed it, more people leave halls again, and we lose more ha player base do to "quick Fixes."

*****Just know that if anet has thought of this and fixed it with the upcoming update just delete this thread. If not then anet fails again*****

kosh · Mar 28, 2007, 02:07 PM // 14:07

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Originally Posted by Billiard

I expect that there are going to be more changes than just 8v8 - perhaps folks should wait and see before the jump to conclusions now . . .

quote ftw.

think about it, all the other Campaign that were planed are canceled, only gwen is coming out any time soo. imo a.net will have to changes in order to keep pepole playing until gw2 is out. maybe some new ha map in gwen???

anyhow good step in the right diraction. go go go a.net.

in that note look at sigils price!!! >>> glad ive saves all my sigils drops

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Originally Posted by Nubcake

Have you all forgotten about the fact that the mechanics as of now are setup for a small base of ha players. I'm referring to the waiting time between halls wins. It takes 3 mins for you to enter halls after a team has won halls, this means with double fame, and 8v8 returning. Ha is gonna be flooded with players. I dont know about all of you peeps but I dont like waitng in the vault for 30 mins to get to HoH. Is, or has, anet thought of this mechanic, have you thought of this mechanic? I dont mean to start another flame fest or wine at anet topic, but with the way HoH is setup now; you better get some chips and dip, and a lot of caffiene cause waiting to get into halls is gonna be ridiculous imo.

agreed. the other day we waited 5 mins, just to get into the vault and 8 mins or so inside the valut, geez. >;(

therangereminem · Mar 28, 2007, 02:39 PM // 14:39

frim most of the replys i have read it seems like most of you did not even know when guild wars started it was 8v8 and not 6v6 .. but some i see do know . i might just be reading some all wrong , but anway i think the 8v8 will once again will ruin the pvp world just like it did when faction came out you will have the noob running around saying"looking for iway group" "bloodspike looking for group" and so on im not saying those are hard bui;ds to face but there just stupid builds that dont belong in ha or any pvp in that case. in my opppion they should take out the stupid elite in iway remove the doubling of skills .. but know in guild wars they please the noobs so they can have a chance to get fame tooo.. they did it in goa and now ha its all about making the noobs feel like they are good. but in realtiy there not guild wars is about thinking and using your head and the build noob use dont do that at all. it not every average players thought that some 10 year old kid is playing the game or some 18 year old kid is not useing what he learned in school to play the game. i say go back to 6v6 turn goa back to what it really is meant to be if the noobs dont like it tell them to go to wow becuz that game takes no brains to play

axe · Mar 28, 2007, 02:44 PM // 14:44

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Originally Posted by therangereminem

or some 18 year old kid is not useing what he learned in school to play the game. i say go back to 6v6 turn goa back to what it really is meant to be if the noobs dont like it tell them to go to wow becuz that game takes no brains to play

WTB Guild Wars Diploma

therangereminem · Mar 28, 2007, 02:50 PM // 14:50

now is that a bad thing yeah i know i cant spell worth anything or type for that matter lol but i do know how to play the game been play sence beta testing and the only reason there is less pople in ha now is becuz there is alot less noobs running around

kosh · Mar 28, 2007, 02:58 PM // 14:58

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Originally Posted by therangereminem

frim most of the replys i have read it seems like most of you did not even know when guild wars started it was 8v8 and not 6v6 .. but some i see do know . i might just be reading some all wrong , but anway i think the 8v8 will once again will ruin the pvp world just like it did when faction came out you will have the noob running around saying"looking for iway group" "bloodspike looking for group" and so on im not saying those are hard bui;ds to face but there just stupid builds that dont belong in ha or any pvp in that case. in my opppion they should take out the stupid elite in iway remove the doubling of skills .. but know in guild wars they please the noobs so they can have a chance to get fame tooo.. they did it in goa and now ha its all about making the noobs feel like they are good. but in realtiy there not guild wars is about thinking and using your head and the build noob use dont do that at all. it not every average players thought that some 10 year old kid is playing the game or some 18 year old kid is not useing what he learned in school to play the game. i say go back to 6v6 turn goa back to what it really is meant to be if the noobs dont like it tell them to go to wow becuz that game takes no brains to play

a. from knowing (some in game, some from reading thier posts) i can tell you most of them are very experienced within gw.

b. in the current meta game builds are either very defensive or very aggressive, there is no room allmost for blance build in 6v6 (yes u can try to run it but yall know its no the same as with 8v8) you have to make up for it by other means. 8v8 give you the opportunity to put everything you want in one build, for every map that there is, and every situation. also imo after pepole get sued to play with 6 man/women team we will see lots of different builds that we have not yet seen before (8 man teams with 2 monks backline anyhow??)

anyhow thats my 2 cents.

helios.

Death_From_Above · Mar 28, 2007, 03:22 PM // 15:22

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Originally Posted by Mr Jazzy

What a joke. You act as if ANet realized yesterday that hey, our customers don't like the 6v6! But in truth, you must realize that ANet is much busier fulfilling other tasks. For example, I would assume that a bulk of the team is developing Guild Wars 2, to make whiny people like you happy. Did you consider that ANet cannot succumb to every request, and cannot fulfill requests at lightning speed?
Lighten up d00d

Lol lol lol. Anet appear to have only realised yesterday, i can quote some things even said by Galie which would lead me to believe this. Its like kill count to, how many people dont like it but yet do anet realise everyone hates it? We have Galie saying oh i think lots of people like kill count and its a big success ect. I therefore believe i can make this assumption. Anet cannot succumb to every request.

Im aware of that which is why i was expected them to fix what they messed up 9 months ago. Not even 5 months ago but 9 months ago. That sounds a bit funny to me does it 2 u? If anet couldnt get these important changes done then why is it we had events like roller bettle racing ect. I Thought these guys ment 2 be pressed for time eh? Also anets a large company is it not and to make these changes have been implied by izzy to liturally be a couple of hours work on that radio station he was on. Not just that im sure anet have an 8v8 template or something so ye i would say these changes could have been done at lightning speed.

Plus i dont think i will lighten up untill either HA is fixed completely aka no kc an 8v8 or i start getting some answers from anet about there poor handling in this affair and what exactly has been going on, because thats what its been. Its basically customer GBH lol. Reason im still quite annoyed is 1, 9 months is a stupid wait. 2. anet basically ignored ha community. 3. havent even recieved an apology from them. Fact of the matter is i shouldnt be to joyful and congradulate anet for changes that never should have happened. Put it in this perspective,

your goverment triples your counsal tax bill. They dont get around to discusing this problem and fixing it till 9 months later. Now just because they fixed it, you mean to say people should forget about it an go well done goverment you made a good decsion. No rather they look into it, why did we have to wait so long, why did this happen in the first place. This is basically what im saying.

LifesRestorer · Mar 28, 2007, 03:33 PM // 15:33

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Originally Posted by LifesRestorer

Some of the greats who i used to see just standing about are nowhere to be seen. [CASH], [AnSy], [CnoD], [EaT], [MATH]... everyone is gone.

the reason i stated these names is because these guilds were pure to HA. they didnt do anything else. sure i could say names such as milk, ew, PnH, iA and the sort that also exceeded very high in the GvG ladder at the same point but thats not what i'm trying to get at.

anyways back on topic, i feel that 8v8 with KC will be worse than 6v6...

Lord Mendes · Mar 28, 2007, 04:06 PM // 16:06

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Originally Posted by LifesRestorer

Some of the greats who i used to see just standing about are nowhere to be seen. [CASH], [AnSy], [CnoD], [EaT], [MATH]... everyone is gone.

cash = scam = they GvGed for some time.
Ansy = died when Rit Lord got nerfed.
CnoD = bloodspike nubs.
EaT = GvGed until they split up.
MATH = IWAY nubs.
Hardly "the greats", except for MATH.

coleslawdressin · Mar 28, 2007, 04:08 PM // 16:08

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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

He was talking about double fame... Omg I wish I could insult on this forum =P.

Actually, he wasn't clear. Complaining about them finally fixing the game is stupid regardless of what he meant.

LifesRestorer · Mar 28, 2007, 04:39 PM // 16:39

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Originally Posted by Lord Mendes

cash = scam = they GvGed for some time.
Ansy = died when Rit Lord got nerfed.

lies. what happened with ansy was there was a feud within the guild between the HA and PvE side, resulting in the birth of Hell Symphony. after 6v6, about 5 of the core of 12 players raged GW. the build still worked well with the changes to shelter n stuff.
Cremson, my brother raziel (Experienced lagger) and I will probably be back this weekend to test the old build with a few NF tweaks.