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Jun 02, 2007, 09:08 PM // 21:08
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Jungle Guide
Join Date: Jul 2006
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The only way you're not having energy problems is if you're not healing very much or you're facing the slowest spike team ever. GoLE is simply not enough energy for a healer. It is 15 energy every 30 seconds maximum. Channeling is much, much better than that for only 6 points into inspiration. Here is a link to the channeling vs. GoLE argument, which was made only a little while after it was switched back to 8v8, so keep in mind opinions have changed drastically in favor of channeling, as apparently between then and now the people using GoLE finally passed algebra I. http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10140611
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Jun 02, 2007, 09:10 PM // 21:10
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Academy Page
Join Date: Apr 2007
Guild: none atm.. (formal [mini] guild)
Profession: W/E
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both has good points glyph is instant free 10 energy for any spell while channeling is somewhat gradual e manage. In a short fight glyph is just as good as channeling, but in a long run, glyph has much shorter endurance due to long 30recharge. with channeling you can be on your full energy whole time if u find right spot to channel. so its basically the endurance of monk.
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Jun 02, 2007, 09:18 PM // 21:18
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Jungle Guide
Join Date: Jul 2006
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Yea, but there aren't all that many short fights in HA. Also, I admit GoLE is at least VIABLE with SoD/DH, although channeling is still superior. However, with RC or LoD, GoLE just won't cut it.
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Jun 02, 2007, 11:09 PM // 23:09
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Banned
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: England
Guild: Leteci is [sexy]
Profession: Mo/
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• You use poor armour selection for your monks (all of your monks). You make no mention of armour while enchanted. • You use poor weapon selection for your monks (all of your monks). You make no mention of elemental +armour shields. • You quote a player to be 'one of the best' warriors, yet you are so, so wrong... Not only do you quote this player but you quote him on his weakest link (positioning). You try claim good people would say he is a good warrior, I've asked. They've said the opposite. • You say you prefer GoLE on a healer with mostly five energy skills. The point is not just about GoLE itself but the mere fact you'd be using it with a majority of five energy spells. • Your comment on not being able to solve the spikes you listed with spiritbond was false. • I messaged you in game, perfectly politely trying to save you being humiliated due to some of the things you were saying which were quite retarded. You felt the need to lie to you. • You later said I sunk to a new lew, yet you had lied and expected me to believe you this time. • Your idea of having spiritbond on the same bar as infuse yet claiming to have an LoD in the team is retarded, simply retarded. • You talk about positioning in HA like it is GVG. • You fail to realise that often teams will spike out some of the damage and not actually the monk anyway. • You fail to realise that an infuse isn't ten energy, it's ten energy plus the energy to heal the sacrificed monk, plus more energy if the infuse didn't heal totally e.g. they spike a little bit more after you infuse. • You quote a bad monk as a reference for a good monk. • You claim I have not tried out a build yet I have. • You assume too much. • You do not know how to set attribute points. If you did perhaps you wouldn't mind putting the points into inspiration. This point is tied in with your not knowing what armour and runes to use. • You fill new players heads with garbage. • You talk about relieving the pressure with gift of health. I have seen protection monks that think like this. They use it the moment it recharges. • You say you are never low on energy. Well then, why not just win halls over and over and over. • You say that draw conditions is overkill for an LOD when partied with an RC. As the RC will get most of the conditions. You did not consider daze, knockdown, covered condition etc etc. • You talk about using mend condition on an RC bar. This is one less protection skill for you. • You talk about wasting such energy for a spike, yet self-proclaim to be very energy efficient (your comments show quite the opposite) • You say false statements, like ZB replaced WoH or something you said I believe. • You would rather use a major rune than run a 20% enchant weapon. You make no mention of 20% enchant weapon. All because you want to lower your energy... Why do you want to do that? Because the fear me warriors get to you. Apparently this wouldn't be nice for channeling. • You show your ignorance (about deny hex's) when you weren't prepared to test in a guild hall. • You talk about GVG tactics being similar to HA etc. WM was bad at HA. You can 'turtle' in gvg more so than HA. • HA has an objective. With multiple teams it's nothing like GVG. • You made comments about spiritbond not being able to save a spike yet gave no reason why. You yourself said you like to have a PD mesmer in your team. So there should be no reason why. • You're in denial, not e-denial. •You make no mention of rune of recovery. • Finally, biggest point here. You are bad at the game (fair enough). That isn't what gets to me, it's that you wish to inflict your ignorance on others. Then again, what mod do you like best? Rhetorical question, I think everyone knows it's 'ignorance is bliss'. Though I think it should be 'ignorance is bliss except for the people it is inflicted upon'. P.S. This wasn't all the things I argued. I hope it was enough to prove your statement COMPLETELY wrong though. Last edited by elektra_lucia; Jun 02, 2007 at 11:19 PM // 23:19.. |
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Jun 03, 2007, 04:29 AM // 04:29
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Academy Page
Join Date: May 2007
Location: New Mexico
Guild: Broken Infinity
Profession: Me/
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I use the survivor mod on all my monks, if I'm going to be spiked they'll gaze me first, and it comes down to how much do i trust my spirit bond/prot spirit monk you can never go wrong with the extra health. It helps a little with infuse and it does no harm to prot monks. Against hex spam the extra armor wont help at all but the extra health will. Against melle pressure o wait i don't get into the fray of things very often and again the health is useful, this may be the case where the extra amour would be more helpful but the health isn't bad. Quote:
Do you even know what weapon sets i use, if you must- i use a spear with brawn over brains and an air focus with ignorance is bliss as my low set i have a switch to a prot/healing rod accordingly with the +15 energy/-1 energy recovery. and a shield with +10 riddle of steel my other two switches are spear with shield riders on the storm and a sleep now in the fire. Quote:
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Perhaps i have overlooked some things, perhaps, my build is not the greatest, thats your opinion, fine. I am however giving players a place to start, and placing them in a position to succeed at least to the best of my ability, and to your constant attacks on my builds i felt i have been more than patient, true i lost my patience with you when you contacted me on guild wars i don't feel in the slightest i owe you an apology considering your constant antagonizing you had my lack of respect coming, but in effect i would like you to strongly consider this- “It is infinitely easier to criticize than to create.” -John McCormick quotes If i thought my build was perfect I'd not post on a forum where it could be discussed i would create a web site where people could come view it and leave. In effect i am only hoping to start some discussion and perhaps my build is perfect, but under the assumption, which i am, that it is not i can be refined and made into a better build if one simply takes the time to read. I'll of course defend my decisions but if i am proven wrong, i will yield and revise the build. I do not foresee this happening often has most of the bickering is what to put in the utility slot or what type of energy management to use, which again seems to be a point that is hard to adjust, and people are resistant to such changes on their bar as it is "difficult" to learn a new play style. best wishes, theo Last edited by Hoppervalley; Jun 03, 2007 at 04:34 AM // 04:34.. |
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Jun 03, 2007, 11:14 AM // 11:14
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Wales
Guild: Steel Phoenix
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Perhaps you should try alliance battles instead, they are a lot more forgiving on clueless players.
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Jun 03, 2007, 03:44 PM // 15:44
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Forge Runner
Join Date: Nov 2005
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Even I think that GoLE is retarded on an LoD bar and that channeling is way better if you need emanagement, and I absolutely despise Channeling.
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Jun 03, 2007, 04:46 PM // 16:46
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Apr 2006
Guild: Rurik Drops The [sOap]
Profession: Me/N
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Hoppervalley just the fact that you actually discussed every single sentence separately tells me I shouldn't take you seriously.
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Jun 03, 2007, 04:56 PM // 16:56
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Jun 2006
Guild: None, I don't play anymore.
Profession: Mo/W
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Jun 03, 2007, 05:11 PM // 17:11
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Jungle Guide
Join Date: Jul 2006
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HA and GvG have a severely limited amount of parallels... Blessed insignias ftw, especially when using channeling (unless infusing, that's more personal preference). And uh yeah no offense, but since you're only rank2 and don't seem to be going anywhere fast, I think it's safe to say that a lot of people on this forum know a lot more than you.
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Jun 03, 2007, 05:17 PM // 17:17
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Canada
Guild: Black Crescent [BC]
Profession: W/
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Sig of Rejuv replaced Orison in HA? What year is this? Where am I? If anything replaced Orison, it's Words of Comfort. I'm not saying there's one right answer to monking in HA. Most good monks will run what they're comfortable with, tweaking the "metagame" to suit them. I remember back in the prophecies days I'd usually run P Drain on a healer in addition to channeling. The reason being blood spike was dominant, and with the exception of iway there were plenty of casters to find quickly. I made it work because I was comfortable with it and knew my guildie monk counterparts well enough to know when I could spare that 1 second to find and land a Power Drain. The point being, if I'd posted up a guide saying this is THE healer bar to run, people would think I was retarded (and they'd be right). Monking is about intuition, and decent monks aren't wiki'ing their builds. I can understand possibly posting a general guide for beginner monks, but this thread doesn't even meet that criteria. Even if a monk I recognized from a championship guild came into this forum and said, this is THE bar to run, I'd be skeptical for the reasons I mentioned above. So you can imagine how it looks when it's just another forum user saying these things, and that's not even tackling the bad information in the posts. Just stop with these bad guides, please. Last edited by Lord Natural; Jun 03, 2007 at 05:23 PM // 17:23.. |
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Jun 03, 2007, 06:15 PM // 18:15
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Academy Page
Join Date: May 2007
Location: New Mexico
Guild: Broken Infinity
Profession: Me/
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I think a lot of people missed the point of the posts, actually i know they did, i never by any means meant to say "this is the bar to run" i meant simply to give someone who has never or rarely monked before a place to start, i also hoped to have more productive arguments than "I like channeling YEAH!" something i sadly had been warned by some of my HA pals was what i would encounter here, i was hoping for productive arguments about skills that no one complains if you use. For example veil/smite/deny no one complains as long as you run one of them, but am i correct in my assumption that veil is better? What about the selection of healing spells on the lod bar orison/words/sig of rejuv/kiss not usually enough space for them all so which on gets the ax, and what about getting rof on the lod bar good idea? bad idea? seen it done have done it, and a new question what do you cut for it? The inability of people to stop nit picking small details has been deeply disappointing, and sadly some people have even stooped to rather irrelevant levels to discredit each other "Attack the argument, not the person" please. As an off to the side note I've recently seen a select few monks who run no energy management at all, and they seem to monk on a whole new level i only wish i could, which makes me wonder GolE, channeling are we using these as a crutch? I don't pretend to have the answer but i do know that people are sensitive to changes on their monk bar, for whatever reason I hope people can move beyond a select skill we disagree upon and talk about some of the things i mentioned above, and personally find of greater interest.
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Jun 03, 2007, 07:36 PM // 19:36
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Banned
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: England
Guild: Leteci is [sexy]
Profession: Mo/
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Ok,
That's cool but why did you answer everything I said? Your first comment was that the ONLY argument I have is the 'gole vs channeling' I proved you wrong. The bullet points were merely to comment on the things I had covered. I don't really understand your logic in arguing what I've said because you've merely proved that I did have other things to say, not just about GoLE or channeling. Health helps on an infuse monk because you're saccing health, so the more health you have to sac, the more you heal for. Plus if you dp it is very nice. Not every team you face will be spike, not every team you face will be using gaze. Health armour on a prot monk isn't a good idea. HA is different from other battles (relating to your, you're rank2 comment). I must say, I find the humour in it now. Claiming you were rank14 and then discovering you are rank2. I really don't care about rank, I'm not going to lie; however, at that rank I doubt you even know all the maps properly. Maybe you do. I can understand why you'd use chop chop over extend panda for a quote about 'good positioning' now. You are ignorant... I don't mean in an offensive way I mean in the true sense of the word. You simply do not know, do not have knowledge, etc. Quote:
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You lied. I openly admit to being an arsehole. As I've said. I'm not trying to sound like an e-thug because I do not think it takes strength to kill someone. For me it takes more strength to be nice to them. I would happily, and I mean -happily- kill some people. so yes I'm not normal, I'm not a nice person, I'm arrogant, I'm rude, blah blah f'king blah. But hey, this is about monking, okey? And you're a bad monk. Quote:
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You brought the argument down to a personal level too. Mentioning culture, me being the 'dazed blinded deepwounded monk' etc etc. You talk about culture and my personally. I believe in choice though. Again (as I have to repeat): • Your choice on armour was bad. I don't care how you debate this, it's bad (fact). • Don't quote a bad warrior as a good one. Adds no weight to your argument. Guides need to have good information. If you talk about reliable cars and then talk about a person from skoda (bad example as they've improved but I sure hope you get the meaning) it smacks of 'fanboy'. • You should talk more about armour on shields and their uses. • You should not state you can not save a rt spike with spiritbond, it's false information. Is not a matter of opinion as it's false. Wrong. Incorrect... • You should not have spiritbond and infuse on the same bar. I may win halls with a level three hero, does not mean you should use a level three to win halls. • You shouldn't quote a monk as good because he wins halls a lot with bad teams. He doesn't win halls a lot, that is another reason he is low rank. • I have never been sensitive to change on my monk bar. Infact I welcomed the idea of seed (when leteci started using it). I respected his choice on this and I found it worked for me. A lot have groups would have simply told me to RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO off because of this, the sOap tag helped at that time. The point being, you've been debating with an unbiased person on this issue. • Rof and orison (in one thread you mention using it on the same bar) is stupid on the same bar. If this is a guide for new players then you should talk about things they need to know • What weapons to use (you give them garbage information) • What attributes to set (you give them garbage information) • What armour to use (you give them garbage information) • What skills would be good to start off with (you give them garbage information). You see, if there was 8 skills, healing for 50 health each skill. 1/2 a second recharge (and cast). One energy to cast. You gain Four energy from each person around you. Then there was 8 skills. Each healing for 1 health each skill. 1 Second recharge (and cast). Ten energy to cast. You lose energy from casting. Then it would not be a case of opinion you see? Obviously the game isn't as simple as that but again I hope you grasp the point. • Positioning. You make it sound that if you use channeling you HAVE to charge into the enemy (you don't). • Tactics. Don't make it sound like if you're good at GVG you'll automatically be good at HA and the tactics are the same. They're not. • Bindings on the keyboard. A lot of new monks use 12345678 for their skill buttons. You use a bad setup. You could have given a new player more advice on this. • Learn to use the search function. Newbs and noobs need to know to do this. And remember 'young monks' A good monk will teach himself a lot. It is wise to have the educated teach the uneducated. You did not know how to use the edit button on this function, you're low rank (because your groups fail). A good monk backline will make a massive difference in a game. Your groups may fail because you are bad. This makes it off putting for a new player. • Don't make it sound like you have to be good to win HoH and if you do, you're automatically good. I have won halls with T V C (p.s. I miss this guy Last edited by elektra_lucia; Jun 03, 2007 at 07:58 PM // 19:58.. |
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Jun 03, 2007, 07:45 PM // 19:45
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Jun 2006
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It seems like the trolls have come out to play...
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Jun 03, 2007, 08:11 PM // 20:11
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Ascalonian Squire
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: South Carolina
Guild: Tomb Refugees [ToRe]
Profession: Mo/Me
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Theo what rank? (I think his answer will explain the redtardation of his posts)
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Jun 03, 2007, 08:40 PM // 20:40
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None More Negative
Join Date: May 2006
Guild: Steel Phoenix [StP]
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This thread had sunk so low, its impossible to clear it out, I'm closing it.
Next time try discussing things instead of flaming and trolling. |
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