Curse

krypt1200 · Jun 07, 2007, 05:10 AM // 05:10

So recently I went to HA with [Gank]

I joined, and was the 8th person to join, i had been pm'ing a member of their guild for awhile to see if I could possibly tryout to join, because being R7, almost R8, I had to pick up the pace a bit. He offered to let me try out, and whoopie, for a tryout, I get to be the job of an infuser.

Told em I was changin my runes off since I had just come over from RA for some glad points, and i had no points in inspiration for channeling yet, it took 15 seconds for them to say OMFG noob monk.

We played through what was quite possibly every map into the HoH, where the infamous relic run, they told me to watch the hero if he dies we go back. So we are facing rit spike, im squinting to try and look for rifts behind the eternal ghost, and the light of the HoH, no rifts. No hexes, no enchant removal, no nothing, there were people everywhere so I obviously couldnt really tell where the spike was headed. Boom, the ghost goes down with one of the most clean r-spike teams ever. Leader starts Bi****** and yelling like crazy. (some little foreign kid probably like 14 or whatever) we resign, and I immediateley get kicked. He spams my name and hes like, stick to TA kid.

So my question is, is this how it is for most high ranked teams? Are they all a$$*****? I really want to pick up my game, and to do that, ive got to find a higher ranked guild, but if most of them are like this, id rather just quit HA to be honest. Not like infusing is the easiest thing to do, usually the blame is put on him anyhow.

Well, you guys probably are laughin at me, sayin ahaha rank so and so noob cant catch an infuse and what not, but i just want to know how these higher ranked teams are, if they are all like this, id rather not continue my gameplay. This isnt the first similar incident to this.

elektra_lucia · Jun 07, 2007, 01:31 PM // 13:31

This maybe against the forum rules as the thread was closed, but I would like to answer the guys question who spoke about this here:

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10165533

Then perhaps you can decide whether or not I'm wrong or right in debating this topic.

For a while I have made groups with my friend who is rank9, to some that is high rank, to others it is not. We invite random people, sometimes we give them a skillbar to run, sometimes we don't bother.

Often we hear people say 'I CAN NEVER GET IN A HIGH RANK TEAM BLAH BLAH BLAH'.

When we give them the choice of playing in a team higher rank than they normally do, they argue with the bar we offer them. This can be quite off putting to us. So more often than not it's not actually about the rank but it's that people will not listen. I have found that you can get rank9's that don't listen and rank0's that don't listen. If I have the choice (in a serious group) of a rank9 not listening and a rank1 not listening. It'd be more logical to pick the rank9.

So for people talking about rank discrimination please keep in mind - if you do get the chance of joining a high rank team. Don't argue with them, just do. Don't explain that you just come from RA where you were busy having cyber sex and you don't have your attributes set yet. Just get them setup.

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To the guy that played with GANK. If you mean chamalee's guild (which I assume so) then alright. You do not need to talk about attributes. Just say you're setting up. You don't need to explain about RA.

Chamalee knows nothing about monking. I didn't talk on mic once (I do have a mic, have had one for years I just don't deem most people worthy enough of me wasting my breath on them, literally). I had found a time I had drawed dazed off the prot monk. I did not need to say 'dazed' as the person I drawed the condition from was the person to remove it from me. I argued and argued with chamalee about this, he put me on ignore. Keep this in mind. Many high rank players may still know nothing about basic logic. This does not mean ALL high rank players are like this.

I remember when I was in iA, he would bug and bug me to ask Monkey to join his alliance. I thought the guy seemed ok (joined CC for little while). The bottom line is:

No, not all high ranked players are like that.
They got a lot of their fame at times good teams aren't playing. I'm sure they'll say that's a rumour, or that's when they can get people online. The bottom line is, the times they win is like 6AM european time (mostly).
You can get a good team your rank, with some searching.

Credit where credit is due. Chamalee is fairly organised and his tactics seem more to my liking than a lot of other people for the three way maps. Him knowing absolutely nothing about monking, picking monks that are EXTREMELY bad for me to be partnered up with, was frustrating to me.

The chances are the spike you faced could have been infused.

If you were with your friends, don't you think it'd be more natural to blame an outsider than your friends? That is natural.

Oh and yeah, they do sound like five year olds. Which I find ironic. They all bug me to talk on vent, yet my voice is deeper/sexier than all of theirs :>.

Again, maybe I did wrong by posting this but I think it is important for people to know that not all high ranked teams are stupid.

Gimme Money Plzkthx · Jun 07, 2007, 02:59 PM // 14:59

Probably is against the forum rules. On topic, I find it amazingly hard to believe that they got a clean spike off on a ghostly, almost impossible in fact... something like that is to blame all 3 monks for, most notably the prot ones for being really RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing stupid.

EDIT: In actual response to the thread, not all high ranked groups are like that. If people actually know wtf they're doing, then there won't be much yelling/complaining on vent, or even talking sometimes.

Div · Jun 07, 2007, 03:15 PM // 15:15

This vicious cycle will continue forever. Lower ranked players will say higher ranked discriminate, and higher ranked will not want to take lower ranked players because (usually) they don't want to take the chance at having a low quality player. Rank might not show how good a person is, but on average a rank 10 player will outperform a rank 2. And if you're a rank 2 joining a rank 10 group and argue with them, what makes you think they'll want to do more "charity" groups in the future.

red orc · Jun 07, 2007, 03:23 PM // 15:23

It has nothing to do with low rank and high rank. It has to do with the unaccountability of internet relationships.
The only way to reduce the amount of abuse in the game is to post such posts in forums. BWT you dont have to specify names, just posting the actions will reduce it.

moko · Jun 07, 2007, 03:37 PM // 15:37

well, you could've just sent a pm elektra.

in general, you can't just make some sort of stereotype regarding all high ranked groups -- just if you are lower ranked, and not known to them, they'll expect you to do their job and not argue at all.

but anyways..i'm leaving this up until Nurse is online, as i don't see a reason to lock this in the first place as long as you keep it a good discussion.

Nurse With Wound · Jun 07, 2007, 04:18 PM // 16:18

Judging from "monk guide" threads ( all 4 of them ended in disaster), I thought you're gonna flame the poor dude to pieces, so I preemptively closed the thread. As there is obviously a desire to discuss the issue, I'm reopening.

Next time, just sent me pm Elektra.
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To OP:

I don't believe in 'perfect spikes' on ghostly, most likely this death was failure of entire monk backline, including you. But I wouldn't put the blame on infuser alone.

Everyone makes mistakes though, and flaming and raging isn't the way to encourage better play, but rather frustration and anger. Mistakes should be pointed out in polite manner, although noted, so the player knows that there is still place for improvement . I assure you that not every high-ranked groups behaves this way, it all depends on leader and people who are playing in it. Seems to me you were just unlucky by playing with wrong people, don't give up, and try to play with your friends next time.

Narcism · Jun 07, 2007, 04:44 PM // 16:44

IIRC Ghostly Hero = Half Lightning Damage (100AL) and 640 hp.

I think either:

Spirit Rift (ball rising up ftw)
or
Follow-ups (which come over 0.875 seconds after the first hit)

was used.. both of which are infusable.

Gimme Money Plzkthx · Jun 07, 2007, 07:11 PM // 19:11

If it's the ghostly on a relic run, he never should have had to infuse. Prot should've been on that thing in the final minutes like white on rice, PS, SB rof; more than they can strip even with a rend, just constantly re-apply. However, there is no reason that he should not have been able to infuse since the prot monks PHAILED so miserably.

krypt1200 · Jun 07, 2007, 07:49 PM // 19:49

Well, I don't care about flaming, this just wasn't the first incident I had with a ranked group that was 1-3 ranks higher than me. Im r7 ive monked that whole way, and I know how to infuse, sure mistakes are made, but I missed that thing 3 consecutive times. I sware to you there was no way that I could catch that infuse, as soon as the infuse would go down, it would chirp, indicating that the guy was dead as soon as I saw it. It was like there wasn't any prot on it. (and i was squinting thru the eternal hero and the light of the HoH so it wasnt a rift ;p) I've been infusing for awhile so I definiteley know what to do.

Maybe I failed miserably 3 consecutive times and that hero was protted to hell, i dont know, but these higher ranked groups are nasty sometimes.

Lol, the kid ctrl + clicked my name repeatedly and was like go back to TA please.

I guess maybe what happened was the other monk (one other one, they made the other monk some kind of smiter.....) should have enchanted to something similar to these guys, then it would have been catchable to infuse.
http://gw.gamona.de/forum/attachment...d=1180775 126

Otherwise it was game over

Lorekeeper · Jun 07, 2007, 08:40 PM // 20:40

you need to do your research on these high ranked guilds before you join their teams.

Just because you see their name on global for their HoH wins and you see high numbers underneath their names it doesnt mean that they will be enjoyable to play with.

The guild you mentioned in particular has quite a repuation which you could easily have researched into if you really tried. Just go to ID 1 or the last district and Pm any of the well known players and ask them about any particular guild you are interested in. It pays to do your research.

Im sorry about your experience but it could have been avoided on your part... you may have far too high a expectation of what its like to play in a good high ranked team. And the fact you chose that particular guild... well all i suggest is... keep trying.

If your intention is to pick up your game... you need to realise that a teams success is mainly due to the performance of all its players... much more so in a balanced team.

By joining a team of people who play with eachother regularly you are placing yourself at a very difficult position... because who are they more likely to blame if things go wrong... worse still, you were the infuser and who often gets the blame first when dying to spike teams? The infuser.

There are far better ways for you to reach the next level that you are seeking... going for shortcuts is going to disappoint you greatly.

make some friends who want the same thing as you... find people with a common agenda... create the environment where you can settle down and be comfortable with your ability and your place in the team.

lorekeeper

elektra_lucia · Jun 07, 2007, 10:03 PM // 22:03

Hmm. He said he faced ranger-spike.

Most r-spikes can be caught with infuse lately. So I don't know what happened, maybe both teams at once spiked the ghostly.
They should have gaze if it was that powerful. Vs R-spike, I don't know if I'd blame the prot monk. It's not the same as RT spike.
How many monks did you have, and running what?
What was the first three letters of the other monks (so not to break forum rules). If it was like 'the orange' don't say 'the' say 'ora'

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If I thought the ghostly was going to be spiked, I guess I would heal seed it too possibly. Though you should be able to move him out of harms way.

Were their spirits down?

I usually find that I can fault so many people in the team it doesn't really matter if I played bad.

For example:

How many of the people used their interrupt efficiently.
Was the ghostly placed correctly.
Who had the ghostly.
Were the spirits down.
Did the leader push in too much.
Did the leader not push in enough.

There's lots of things which could have made a huge difference.

The problem I am finding here is that you mention an uninfuseable spike coming from rangers.

moko · Jun 07, 2007, 10:11 PM // 22:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

Hmm. He said he faced ranger-spike.

Quote:

Originally Posted by OP

So we are facing rit spike.................[bit later]Boom, the ghost goes down with one of the most clean r-spike teams ever.

in this case, R = Ritualists. :P

elektra_lucia · Jun 07, 2007, 10:34 PM // 22:34

Ok then, I wouldn't even use infuse. It's not needed. Spirit bond works fine, there's usually a hex which comes up too...

Was there one?

dies like fish · Jun 07, 2007, 10:53 PM // 22:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

Ok then, I wouldn't even use infuse. It's not needed. Spirit bond works fine, there's usually a hex which comes up too...

Was there one?

A lot of Ritspikes don't use the N/A with all the hexes. The only sign for those teams would be watching the team cast or watching for rifts.

Divinus Stella · Jun 07, 2007, 11:21 PM // 23:21

Gank just get their fame playing in the dead hours because they have nothing else to do, not all high ranked players are like that.

Lord Natural · Jun 08, 2007, 02:00 AM // 02:00

Well, I wouldn't say it was entirely your responsibility, but for relic runs in general a monk has to realize that the ghostly and the runner are the only priority targets. If you're facing a spike group, many are poor at the split, which means they will usually depend on either wiping your group, or continually spiking key targets.

That being said, if their spike is perfect and your team is doing little to interrupt it, it's to be expected that you will suffer deaths. Whether your infuses are quick or average is a moot point. If your ghostly got spiked once and your team just resigned on the spot, then chances are they're not good enough to beat a decent team on a relic run anyway. A good group will deal with stops on relic runs.

As far as the vent rage goes, I think that's a bit extreme. I've played with lower ranked players a lot in the past, and one thing I always keep in mind when accepting them is, they just won't have the map experience of a higher ranked person. Whether they're skilled or not is a seperate issue, as it's the responsibility of the group leader to go over things like map positioning and priorities. If the spike group pushes you in, you can bet they will be going after the ghost and if that's the case the group leader or someone has to step up and point this out, calling the incoming spike. Most of the time it will be fairly obvious as players tend not to hang out right next to the ghost, unless you have a runner bodyblocked in the vicinity.

Playing with a higher ranked group it's sort of expected that a monk will be on his game enough to spot a spike on the ghost in advance, so there might be less communication in that regard. However, when a group knowingly admits a lower ranked player I'd put it on the the leader to have a better handle on things instead of waiting for a mistake and then raging on it. If i'm leading and a mistake by a less experienced player costs us, I usually take it on myself for not defining the roll better. The exception would be if it was very carefully explained and it was just gross incompetence demonstrated repeatedly. Even if that was the case, we'd just part amicably after the game. My favorite excuse was, "Hey, we've got a guildie that needs to join up now, but thanks for coming." No need to shout on vent like an ape, though if you're pugging you can usually peg the leader's maturity within 60 seconds of UW.

With vent rage in general, I'd say it's just a roll of the dice. If you get to the point where you're very active in HA, you'll learn who you like playing with, and which raging pre-pubescent nerds to avoid. Unfortunately, with a strange pug there's no way of knowing until you try. I find there to be a little less rage going around with higher ranked groups, as more people will just know what to do. More often if the group fails, people will just bail in peace. There's less "OMG U SUK I KIK U" going around. Generally a retard of that magnititude is weeded out before a high rank, though this isn't always the case.

Edit: nvm, I thought you were talking about a normal relic run and not hoh. I pretty much quit HA when these new objectives took over. I was under the impression that in the hoh relic run, teams just run it to the altar. Is the ghost even relevant?

moko · Jun 08, 2007, 02:41 AM // 02:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord Natural

Is the ghost even relevant?

no, it is not.

krypt1200 · Jun 08, 2007, 03:03 AM // 03:03

Yeah i really dont care whos fault it was anymore, ill put all the blame on me if anyone wants to hear that. I just think its really dumb about how prepubescents are going around raging thinking they are cooler with a higher number under their character. Its not like im a r2, im r7 and ive been doings for a hell of awhile too. Thats ok, im really kind of tired of children who think this game is real life just because they dont have one. Thanks guys, i got my answer, sorry for starting a dramatic thread.

Calnaion Blackhawk · Jun 08, 2007, 10:04 AM // 10:04

im sorry, who are [Gank]?
Is it another guild formed after the collapse of pvp with the removal, change, adding, change, change, then adding again or maps/systems/party size?

or is it another bunch of kiddies who got their rank9 in the rise and fall of IWAY?

i would love to see them vs the old [EaSy] mass hex before the introduction of expel hexes and likewise