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Bankai · Apr 19, 2007, 02:11 PM // 14:11

Boon prot wasn't a bad meta because it did take skill to use it. Even though they had good e-management, it was very fragile. If you missed your e-management (a good timed sig of humility), any monk that wasn't good would die very soon.

Zuranthium · Apr 19, 2007, 02:13 PM // 14:13

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Originally Posted by Thomas.knbk

Dude, boon prots was the best monk meta ever

But there wasn't even really a meta back then. There were Boon Prots and Blessed Lights. That was it. Nothing else was worth taking.

~Z

suiraCLAW · Apr 19, 2007, 06:29 PM // 18:29

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That would be a nerf in a way. If you need to be in aggro range you can't spam heal party while running flags etc.

That was my intention, I really, really hate healing party spamming e/mo's since they are extremely easy to use and make builds that do take skill less effective (pressure builds).

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I would. Monks didn't use Aegis back then because they didn't need to. They had Guardian and Distortion on their bars.

Your point on distortion really confuses me: I never ever used (the pre-nerfed) distortion on any bar using divine boon. In fact, I can't remember anyone from the top GvG teams using it on a divine boon template using e-drain/mor. Secondly, guardian really isn't that great and was only used to force target switching.

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But there wasn't even really a meta back then. There were Boon Prots and Blessed Lights. That was it. Nothing else was worth taking.

Yes, the choices were extremely limited, but that doesn't make a meta boring (IMHO).

TheOneMephisto · Apr 19, 2007, 08:47 PM // 20:47

There were only boonprots and BLs, but both those templates took a lot of skil to utilize effectively, were flexible, and were good for the game in general.

Even though personally, I do like the monk metagame atm (besides Aegis, but that's less common).

Zuranthium · Apr 19, 2007, 08:47 PM // 20:47

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Originally Posted by suiraCLAW

Your point on distortion really confuses me: I never ever used (the pre-nerfed) distortion on any bar using divine boon. In fact, I can't remember anyone from the top GvG teams using it on a divine boon template using e-drain/mor. Secondly, guardian really isn't that great and was only used to force target switching.

Lots of monks used Distortion, are you silly? I remember Te, iQ, and iB all having a monk with Distortion. Guardian may not have an amazing block rate but nevertheless it was there, thanks to Divine Boon allowing ANY Monk spell to become a solid heal.

~Z

Dzan · Apr 19, 2007, 10:19 PM // 22:19

I'm pretty sure every monk had 4 Illusion for the -2 Distortion before it got nerfed.

Shmanka · Apr 20, 2007, 04:54 AM // 04:54

I really suck at making threads and contests... extended for another week... until this monk discussion blows over...

assassin of the god · Apr 21, 2007, 11:15 PM // 23:15

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Originally posted by Zuranthium
I would. Monks didn't use Aegis back then because they didn't need to. They had Guardian and Distortion on their bars.

~Z

Monks didn't use aegis back in the boon prot meta because they didnt the energy for it. buffed GoLe and auspicious werent around yet and it just wasn't possible with just e-drain and inspired hex. Also, block/evade was fairly rare, unless a team brought ward against melee, as guardian was easily solved by target switching and distortion was costly and run by reletively few monks.

Basicly, your retarded. The boon prot metagame was insanely better then the current monk one. Boon prot required active defense, while the current aegis monks are "defense for dummies".

Shmanka · Apr 22, 2007, 04:07 AM // 04:07

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Originally Posted by assassin of the god

Basicly, your retarded. The boon prot metagame was insanely better then the current monk one. Boon prot required active defense, while the current aegis monks are "defense for dummies".

... I actually agree... PLZ SUBMIT METHODS OF MAKING THESE CRAPPY SKILLS BETTER...

moko · Apr 22, 2007, 08:45 AM // 08:45

you guys really know how to hijack threads.

pooface_po · May 16, 2007, 11:04 PM // 23:04

[skill]Energy Boon[/skill]
give the exhaustion if they have an enchantment on them

Narayanese · May 19, 2007, 08:07 AM // 08:07

Energy Boon
5/1/15
Lose all enchantments and all your non-elementalist spells are disabled for 30 seconds. You gain 20...45 energy. (Attribute: Energy Storage)

I tried to make this energy boon a good elite for hybrid elementalst builds like air+water, but bad for other types of eles.

I like Bankai's version of second wind.

Riotgear · May 19, 2007, 04:27 PM // 16:27

So when do we get to Arcane Conundrum, a skill that is now worse than Frustration in every way?

Buzzer · May 21, 2007, 05:37 PM // 17:37

Conundrum slows casting twice as much as Frustration..

Symbol · May 21, 2007, 09:48 PM // 21:48

Eh, the difference between 1.5x cast time and 2x cast time isn't really huge. 1s is the significant breakpoint. Anything longer than that becomes a liability, and 1.5x is enough to push even .75sec casts there.

TheOneMephisto · May 22, 2007, 12:08 AM // 00:08

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Originally Posted by Symbol

Eh, the difference between 1.5x cast time and 2x cast time isn't really huge. 1s is the significant breakpoint. Anything longer than that becomes a liability, and 1.5x is enough to push even .75sec casts there.

It does make a difference when you don't have the interrupts but you're just trying to reduce effectiveness of casters.

glountz · Jun 15, 2007, 04:09 PM // 16:09

Energy boon:
5e 1/4 15r
You loose all your energy. You gain 100....130...150% of the energy you lost.

This way this skill will require little skill (how to use it for maximal effect) and promote the use of +30/-2 energy sets.

Second wind :
Elite enchantement.
15 2c 30r
For 1...12...16 seconds, exhaustion expires twice as fast.

Eles need skills to manage exhaustion, not the contrary. They have enough e-management like that, elite or not.

Ether Prism:
25 3c 30r
Does the same. Non elite.