Curse

I Brother Bloood I · Jun 09, 2007, 01:10 AM // 01:10

iQ + Rit Spike = R15 All Around?(in case you dont get it, due to rit spike taking no skill, insert extreme skill here + noob shit here and u get ownzzzz)

This would make sense but its not the case sadly enough. If half the teams in ha wernt scrubs people would think rit spike wasnt bad. But since over half the teams are its considered imba. This is kinda like saying rit spike = no skill but, if i run balanced and lose to rit spike i am skilled? Its just bad playing not the spike. Because seriously if u stand in the spirit rift spike and complain about it you're retarded. Get better monks and learn to shutdown some stuff. I admit though. If kill count wasnt in ha rit spike would be easier to shutdown by inserting pressure. But due to that you would get rid of the spike but get extreme holding shit. Question is... what would u rather face? SoMW Spike(Omg a holding spike build.... awesome) or rit spike(a not so holding spike build)

EDIT - Sry for restating what was already said but it deserves to be said again.

Gimme Money Plzkthx · Jun 09, 2007, 02:46 AM // 02:46

I'd rather have altar holding, because then I could pack utility to counter holding builds and not get rolled on killcount because I don't have all damage characters or a spike.

Mental Leteci · Jun 09, 2007, 08:42 AM // 08:42

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Originally Posted by Calnaion Blackhawk

word.
and leteci do you play anymore? =/

I come for a laugh-run here and there where we just play for fun and flame everyone we can.

Div · Jun 09, 2007, 08:58 AM // 08:58

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Originally Posted by phasola

#0 : NF
#1 : 6v6
#2 : heroway
#3 : stupid win conditions (killcount & co)
Hell HA wasn't that bad when IWAY roamed, not as bad as it is now.

I'd much rather have heroways come back if it means fixing the rest of HA. Heroway is a pretty fun way to kill some time and hope to get a few fame :P

zakaria · Jun 09, 2007, 09:08 AM // 09:08

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Originally Posted by Tela

Stuff..

So your prof. is Mo/R..let me guess you use Natural Stride and Troll Unguent.. and you started thread like this, ride the wave with them. GG

LifesRestorer · Jun 09, 2007, 12:34 PM // 12:34

thats the stupidest comment i've ever seen. if he had his profession as W/Mo would you say let me guess... mending, healing hands and dolyak signet?
a place that people dont insult each other eh? that must not be HA then. kthnxbaii

wuzzman · Jun 09, 2007, 12:43 PM // 12:43

hey I want heroway back. Then I can at least I can run my iway, spiritway, ritspike counter build^_^

Death_From_Above · Jun 09, 2007, 12:44 PM // 12:44

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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

Always good to abuse yourself and the person you are trying to gain something from.

My views on the game types... Hmm, I think they are unoriginal, bad, more so suited for 6vs6 than 8vs8, and there is other threads for this. So I will shutup

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Wouldnt call it abusing myself i would just call it stating pure fact. A fact which is even greater than the law of gravity. And yes the game types are unoriginal bad and suck because there for 6v6. I dont get it, kill count was made for 6v6. So why did they bring it back for testing 8v8. What happened to anets one varriable at a time policy. More like one variable when we want to force something on you hence why i come back to this.

ANET are lacking basic common sence.

Now concerning this iway wobble bobble. Although iway was a well commonly played build. If you look back in the old days of HA you would find when iway first came out yes it took up 75 percent of the builds played. But as time went on you found iway became about 15-20 percent of the builds played. You often made another type of build like balanced or say a spike or say a hex ect. More over, iway was a strong build but easy to cut to shreads v a good team and utility and they had there limitations like on alter maps. This therefore balanced the whole idea of build concepts therefore meaning as for the old HA being 75 percent of the HA population. A meer farse and figment of the imagination being we have left in such a demur state for so long, that people are loosing sight of what HA was actually like.

My thoughts, yes although iway was annoying at first you kind of grew to appreciate it and co exsist with it. I think giving it the heavy nurf bat which if i recall anet did basically ruining the build was a rather bad idea for the reason many people have stated, it was easy to run and had a decent chance. It gave a reason for playing for some players, also the fact you had gay characters like the pargon comming out with there 80+ armour and other stuff in nite fall 2 basicaly shut the iway build down. I think this was not nessercy.

Conclusion. Anet leave iway to thrive for so long and ignored the calls of players for it to be nurfed. It grew into something big and in doing so anet then proceed to take action. Wise move eh, it wasnt a dominating build in HA, balanced and spikes where seen much more. Overall, bring back iway, bring back old HA. And leave us in piece.

Chance this post or even thread will be read is

1 out of 10 to the power of 500000000000000000000000000000000000000
Why, because the people anet employ to read the forums prefer to look at the river side section or either just dont do it and prefer to drink coffe. Also, anet have shown a blatant disrigard for the HA community because they realise they have messed up, hence they refuse to come giving us updates in fear they will be *hammered, bashed, owned, and owned some more* which is what i hope people would do.

Lord Mendes · Jun 09, 2007, 02:55 PM // 14:55

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Originally Posted by Death_From_Above

lacking basic common sence.

This is what I think everytime I read your posts. Seriously, stop your encyclopedia bitch-fests, your posts make me cry.

Things that make HA suck:
- paragons (make gw suck in general).
- rits (same as above).
- always had shitest game modes.

elektra_lucia · Jun 09, 2007, 04:57 PM // 16:57

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Wouldnt call it abusing myself i would just call it stating pure fact.

You may have been stating a fact but it wasn't said in the politest of ways. Plus you insulted their intelligence. Maybe it's not 'abuse' by your definition. Who knows. The bit about 'abusing yourself', I was talking about this:

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. Anets IQs dont macth

:>.

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My thoughts, yes although iway was annoying at first you kind of grew to appreciate it and co exsist with it.

It put many players off and brain washed them. There was nothing good about it.

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More over, iway was a strong build but easy to cut to shreads v a good team

The good teams aren't that important though. IWAY may not have put off the good teams, but for the people starting it was a real nightmare. I knew many that thought they could not even get rank3 unless they IWAY'd.

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ANET are lacking basic common sence.

Maybe they think you're lacking basic "sence" too. That is an insulting way to talk to people.

This will sound non related to guild wars but maybe it'll teach someone something. I have been building a new remote helicopter. It cost me about $4k+ So I want the canopy (plastic covering on the outside) to be spray painted well. I have asked a guy in America to do it for me (I live in England). He told me it would take two weeks to do. I told him not to rush. When we import things to this country, we pay 'import tax' and it's governed by 'customs and excise'.

The canopy was about $200, the tax on that is going to be expensive.

He has taken over a month and a half, I had friends who said I should give him a deadline, I said no. Best to be polite. It took me a while but I got what I wanted, a good looking, well painted canopy.

What does this have to do with anything? Well, due to my kind behaviour he has said he'll mark the item as worth $30 and a 'gift'. So customs will read this and tax me less. Like with a-net, I paid first. Then I found the service didn't match as I expected (lol).

If I went all guns blazing, he could have said 'fine I'll sell you the product you bought (the spray painting) but I won't save you the money from tax by marking it as gift'. By being nice to people, you can get a better product.

Now, a while ago I did not have all the things for my computer to be fixed. So I wanted someone to swap bits over and test. This was years ago. Well the shop I brought my computer too, dropped the computer and blamed it on burglars. They also lied about certain things.

I went into the shop and said they were lying fk'ers. I told them to shut their mouth and was quite aggressive to them. Unless I went to court with them, I did not really gain anything. At the time I didn't want to be bothered with going to court. Luckily I had someone who could be nice and talk to them (lol). Well, I was stating a fact. They did lie to me, but who cares?

Fact or otherwise, did insulting them and stating facts get what I wanted? Not really. Does insulting a-nets intelligence, get what you want?

I have had a couple of jobs working with the public at some point. Have you had such a job? What happened when someone angry spoke to you? When someone angry speaks to me, I either try wind them up so they get physical (a great laugh) or I say 'cool' and completely ignore them. So long as I haven't broken any laws and I have the money of whatever it was I was selling I have no interest in helping an angry person.

Death_From_Above · Jun 09, 2007, 05:47 PM // 17:47

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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

I have had a couple of jobs working with the public at some point. Have you had such a job? What happened when someone angry spoke to you? When someone angry speaks to me, I either try wind them up so they get physical (a great laugh) or I say 'cool' and completely ignore them. So long as I haven't broken any laws and I have the money of whatever it was I was selling I have no interest in helping an angry person.

I want to point something out though. Although your analagoy fits into this current senario partly it misses out some rather needed points. The difference is we havent been made to wait for a month. But almost a year, secondly regarding the shop you had some feedback with them did you not. They clearly stated were not going to give you what you want. Nurse stated this earlier, it appears anet has given up on HA, Galies partially stated this too in some statements. So why not just come and tell us you can all bugger off now were done with you all rather than wasting 1 year of our time. So theres the first difference, feedback and no feedback.

I totaly understand what your saying but may i ask were not being blunt has got us. Yes its put us at the end of anets to do list. Just answer this question for me, how difficult would changing HA back be, your plane would certainly take a while but in terms of HA it wouldnt take long at all. The fact anet have blatantly ignored player suggestion and even this poll i think pretty much counts it all. You said some of my comments where not said in the politest of ways, and if so.

Tell me how you would refrase, anet bring 6v6. No one likes it. 9 Months later we get 8v8 but they have given us kill count. No one likes it, and ohhhhhhh looky here we still have kill count and galie says has far down there to do list. Wow is this meant to inspire confidence in terms of HA getting fixed? What would you call this case study then when it can be fixed in a couple hours as clearly stated by izzy? I think my words perfectly fit the description here.

As you said regarding the shop people. Not getting angry should be first mentality. But when you have to put pactients on hold for a year now i think anet shouldnt expect much. The poll here clearly states 72 percent want kill count gone COMPLEATLY. Why isnt it then this isnt being taken further? How long has this poll been up? Its obvious, anet are not intrested whether you are blunt or whether your polite to them. Either way there going to continue doing what they want to do and that is winding up the HA community.

If you had to wait 12 months for your plane to arrive by post because your friend said erm i dont know how to use post sorry. And it would take him 1 minute to find out. You sure you would keep your head then? The fact you dont see people who where pacient such as Nadia roagok if any of you remember just shows its not anet whos getting the abuse but rather the players.

As i have stated and stated before, i dont want to have to be sitting here on the forums id rather be kicking peoples behinds in tombs but anet havent given me much of a choice have they. Only reason i came to the forums was because anet said have any comments come give them here blah blah. I came i gave i waited i never got. I offered perfectly sound advice similar to many other players, anet ignored it. Anet ignored it and ignored it again. Just tell me then what do you want me to do, say to them ye anet great job i understand your situation you rooooock. When youv got people like Galie saying kill counts very good many people like it and i think its very succesful. Erm thought shes ment to be reading the forums or someone from the company is, obviously shows there not because if they were they would have seen 99.9999999 percent of the population dispise it.

Anyways, so the three things that have ruind HA or shall i say 4 are

1.ANET
2.KILL COUNT
3.PARGON ARMOUR
4.NO GOOD OR PROPER OR EVEN ANY SKILL BALANCES

Gimme Money Plzkthx · Jun 09, 2007, 05:57 PM // 17:57

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Originally Posted by Death_From_Above

677 word wall of text that I didn't read

Dude, stop writing essays for your responses. No one reads them, they could be accomplished with fewer words, and they often make little sense. Also, try learning some spelling, punctuation, and grammar, and then maybe people will pay attention to you... you just make yourself look dumb mo- all of the time...

elektra_lucia · Jun 09, 2007, 06:27 PM // 18:27

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I want to point something out though. Although your analagoy fits into this current senario partly it misses out some rather needed points. The difference is we havent been made to wait for a month. But almost a year, secondly regarding the shop you had some feedback with them did you not. They clearly stated were not going to give you what you want. Nurse stated this earlier, it appears anet has given up on HA, Galies partially stated this too in some statements. So why not just come and tell us you can all bugger off now were done with you all rather than wasting 1 year of our time. So theres the first difference, feedback and no feedback.

GW community is only a small amount of people in HA. HA is only a small amount of the people in the game. With PVE'ers dictating how skills should be, it must be hard for a-net to balance things. Yes they could make things back to how they were but people would still probably whine.

Sure I got emails, but have you actually tried emailing a-net? I have always got quick replies from them...

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how difficult would changing HA back be

Don't know, didn't study programming. I assume they have kept the old data so it wouldn't be hard in theory.

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The fact a-net have blatantly ignored player suggestion and even this poll i think pretty much counts it all.

Maybe, but if you were to email them...

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Tell me how you would refrase

If it was up to me I would pick out all the good arguments as to why it should be changed. Have a long list of names who agree with this. Make threads on guild wars guru with more convincing names, not using 'suck' but more so - three things I think should be changed in HA.

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If you had to wait 12 months for your plane to arrive by post because your friend said erm i dont know how to use post sorry. And it would take him 1 minute to find out. You sure you would keep your head then?

I would tell him how to post, and if he could not do that I would take legal action.

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The fact you dont see people who where pacient such as Nadia roagok if any of you remember just shows its not anet whos getting the abuse but rather the players.

I remember him. A prot monk who didn't play much else. He could have still found some enjoyment in HA.

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When youv got people like Galie saying kill counts very good many people like it and i think its very succesful.

There lies a problem then. Maybe more people like it than you realise...

Is it possible that a-net have advertised in the instruction manual that HA is different to what it currently is? If that is the case, then you will have good grounds for legal action.

If you do not hold the ball in your court, then you are in a bad situation.

Supposing four people say they hate kill count, but they say it in an angry manner, two people say they like kill count but they seem calm about it. Don't you think it'd be easier to take the smaller quantity of players due to them being kind?

Maybe being kind won't put you a step ahead, but it sure as hell won't put you two steps back.

I don't personally know what to say to get what you want. The game how it is, doesn't bother me enough that I should take personal action in changing it.

Lord Mendes · Jun 10, 2007, 07:45 AM // 07:45

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Originally Posted by Death_From_Above

The fact you dont see people who where pacient such as Nadia roagok if any of you remember just shows its not anet whos getting the abuse but rather the players.

Nadia roagok? It's Nadia Roark. It amazes me how you could type "go" instead of "r", they are on different sides of the keyboard. How could you incorrectly spell the "best prot monk in this game"'s name? ("Chris died for your sins" anyone?)
Regardless...
What. The. RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO. How random.

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Originally Posted by Death_From_Above

obviously shows there not because if they were they would have seen 99.9999999 percent of the population dispise it.

Hello, I know very little yet I still manage to pull false statistics out of my ass.

Dear Death_From_Above,
Nothing personal, just please stop posting such lengthy and pointless post, which I am compelled to read for some odd reason. You can keep banging your head against the wall while saying "IT TAKES 1 MINUTE TO CHANGE BACK TO ALTERS THEN HA WILL BE FIXXXXED!" (+50 typos and numerous odd and misplaced Nadia Roark references), but you are wrong (and dumb).
Now stfu, stop your wishful thinking and whining bullcrap, and grow up.
Yours truly,
"The second best prot monk in the game" Mendes.

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Just to make this post semi-relevant:

How I would fix HA (even though this really isn't for this thread, but meh):
1. No killcount OR holding. Make all maps straight up annihilations, and keep the two relic runs. You could have one DP map where you would lose 5% DP every 30 seconds (until your entire team is at 50% DP). Another possible gametype is a 1v1 fight where a member from the other team is randomly selected every 20 seconds, and you win if you manage to kill that person in time (with the other team obviously not knowing who that person is). These are just some silly ideas, but prove that there are so many other options than altars (or alters if you're Death_From_Above).
2. Skill balance. Without this, HA will remain baed. The suggestions in Ensign's thread are ideal (takes care of paragons, rit spike, lame nukes, and more!).
3. More rewards! A chest spawn with flames and other stuff cool stuff after every win! Encourages new players to play while keeping the older more hardcore farmers satisfied.
4. More fame per win. I wouldn't suggest this under normal circumstances but this will get new players into HA, which is absolutely necessary if you want to "revive" HA.
5. This is the most important one: Ban Death_From_Above and Randomway. Pay Nadia Roark to start playing again.

Xioden · Jun 11, 2007, 02:48 AM // 02:48

Kill counts would be fine if it wasn't 6 minutes of standing around/chasing each other before finally turning into a 3-way gank fest.

Give points to whoever holds the altar in additional to points for killing, or even going back to a "whoever holds at the end" win condition, and keeping "Altar Capping 2.0".

wuzzman · Jun 11, 2007, 06:22 AM // 06:22

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Originally Posted by Xioden

Kill counts would be fine if it wasn't 6 minutes of standing around/chasing each other before finally turning into a 3-way gank fest.

Give points to whoever holds the altar in additional to points for killing, or even going back to a "whoever holds at the end" win condition, and keeping "Altar Capping 2.0".

hey thats actually a good idea. HA needs multiple objects not just one.

Lorinda · Jun 11, 2007, 08:27 AM // 08:27

I had this idea when i was watching the news.

Make broken tower like this. Keep it kill count *DONT SHOOT ME PLZ*
BUT when you have the altar you kills count for 2. Ghostly is just 2 points even if you got the altar, that gives the other teams an option to get 2 points as well.

Or if you have the altar you get 5 *free* killpoints after 30 seconds. To make it a bit more interesting.

That mixed with some skill updates should work for HA
It makes it less of a running game and more fights around the altar.

elektra_lucia · Jun 11, 2007, 09:26 AM // 09:26

lots of SF way.

Calnaion Blackhawk · Jun 11, 2007, 09:43 AM // 09:43

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To make sure i don't get another referral on my account i better write something constructive.

Now ive been playing guild wars since it came out (look at my registered date), i admit i took a break for like, a few months while i was sucked into wow's vortex of nothingness.
But when i left IWAY was just about fotm, people were still running balanced mass hex builds, ranger int builds and the likely.

Now i don't play HA, or topk as it was anymore because of one main reason;
I don't think that i can get into groups, despite being rank7, as i didnt farm IWAY and get my oh so famous tiger.(and for those wondering, i got every single one of that fame by running balanced builds and ranger spike, Mental Block was STRICTLY anti-IWAY)

I dont particularly think that HA has been destroyed, i just think that people are too lazy to think of counters. The HA changes have ruined the community more than the game itself, people are high rank, think they know everything about the game because they can type /rank and see a pwetty tiger, and shun anyone who doesn't. If a lower rank team beats a high rank team, the rank9's all start whamming local chat with "LOLLNOOB" "Lucky lol", When i played they would generally say "well played" and then go back and discuss where they went wrong (Lol Empty Skillbars anyone?)
People are just getting too lazy to think of counters, AND/OR scared of trying new things incase they get flamed for running "noob" builds.

for those too lazy to read ;

LEARN TO THINK OF NEW BUILDS TO COUNTER ONES YOUR WHINING ABOUT.

luilui · Jun 11, 2007, 10:09 AM // 10:09

guys guys i have the best idea ever!!!
hoh should be multi-condition, and all conditions at once!!
i.e. u get point for relic, central altar holding and capture point!! wait since kill count is so great, might as well get point for killing too. so we can have all the great gameplay in hoh everytime!