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Mylon · May 28, 2007, 08:36 AM // 08:36

How does one counter ritualist spike in TA? They do enough damage to kill a person, and if they get shut down for whatever reason, they can spam spirits and spirit light each other until they can spike again. It's like fighting a group of 4 monks, except they can fight back.

Idiot · May 28, 2007, 08:47 AM // 08:47

Spirit Bond works against rit spike.

moko · May 28, 2007, 01:23 PM // 13:23

Disruption, shutdown, chop their spirits and then kill them (their defense SUCKS really badly), spirit bond.

blackbane · May 29, 2007, 04:47 AM // 04:47

A mesmer with gale and four lightning shields.

Teh [prefession]-zorz · May 29, 2007, 04:55 AM // 04:55

4 shadowform assassins?

but a few questions since i havent played them...

is there spike spells?
what do they use for defence?
what have you tried against them?

Div · May 29, 2007, 05:03 AM // 05:03

Um, a monk that pays attention will usually do the trick. For it to work, it has to be a two-part spike since there's only four of them...

Teh [prefession]-zorz · May 29, 2007, 05:05 AM // 05:05

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

Um, a monk that pays attention will usually do the trick. For it to work, it has to be a two-part spike since there's only four of them...

i was gonna say prot. spirit

bungusmaximus · May 29, 2007, 10:19 AM // 10:19

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Originally Posted by Mylon

How does one counter ritualist spike in TA? They do enough damage to kill a person, and if they get shut down for whatever reason, they can spam spirits and spirit light each other until they can spike again. It's like fighting a group of 4 monks, except they can fight back.

Ritualist hate getting spiked themselves, When I play warrior and I encounter any form of spirit spam I will try to take out the spirits first (displacement blowz). When that is done I saved up so much adrenalin I can run up to the rit and make his life pretty miserable. When the spirits are gone half of the rit's usefulness is gone with them ^^.

red orc · May 29, 2007, 10:47 AM // 10:47

Never fight on thier terms. Make them fight where you have advantage.
RT are overpowered right now, so use lure, decoy and position to win.

remmeh · May 29, 2007, 02:35 PM // 14:35

most teams have mainly physical type damage, so make sure to disrupt Displacement and Shadowsong. stick a warrior in their face... once the ritualist team begins to crack it's pretty much over for them.

Turbobusa · May 29, 2007, 08:09 PM // 20:09

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Originally Posted by blackbane

four lightning shields.

definatly QFT
saved me a bunch of times during the GVG-rt spike madness. I assume it can save you there too.
Otherwise, i'd say positionning is the key

Mylon · May 29, 2007, 08:12 PM // 20:12

The problem with a good spirit spike is that unless you can keep prot spirit (or any other anti-spike enchant) on everyone, it's impossible to stop a good spike that way.

Also, the spirits are not a part of the spike, there're just 1/2 of the defense used (everyone bringing Spirit Light is the other half). Wielder's strike (plus some weapon skill or another) is the actual spike skill used. And this skill conveniently ignores armor bonuses, so skills like Shield of Regen doesn't work. I don't even think Shield of of Absorption works as advertised in the wiki (Wiki says it stops 10 damage on the second hit, 15 damage on the third, and so on), else the spirits would do a good job of getting this skill "Charged" up to stop a decent amount of the spike.

Master Ketsu · May 29, 2007, 08:12 PM // 20:12

When it comes to rit spike,

Spirit bond >>> Infuse health

Pyro maniac · May 29, 2007, 08:16 PM // 20:16

try a ranger with a flatbow. he can take out the spirits before charging in (though he needs some protection since spirits fight back)

other then that:
[skill]Spiritual Pain[/skill]+[skill]Glyph of Lesser Energy[/skill]

IlikeGW · May 31, 2007, 04:57 AM // 04:57

Take an interrupt character, show's over.

Skuld · May 31, 2007, 08:19 AM // 08:19

Spirit Bond...

Moun10Dew · Jun 01, 2007, 02:58 AM // 02:58

My guild ran into a rit spike team once...they only got two spikes off..one which tottaly sucked and the other, which failed. they died farily quickly after our mesmer took out their spirits..

i was monk. they were using rift+channeled strike. it was extremely easy to tell who they were targeting..preprotted with spirit bond. spike failed.

edit: spelling

Sword · Jun 01, 2007, 03:08 AM // 03:08

lightning shields > rt spike

Zui · Jun 01, 2007, 06:34 AM // 06:34

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Originally Posted by mylon

How does one counter ritualist spike in TA? They do enough damage to kill a person, and if they get shut down for whatever reason, they can spam spirits and spirit light each other until they can spike again. It's like fighting a group of 4 monks, except they can fight back.

Yes, they can kill a person, but they really shouldn't ever do so in Team Arenas. You can disrupt their spike with any number of tools, for example Distracting Shot, Savage Shot, Shock, Gale, Power Leak, Power Return, Power Drain, Distracting Blow, Disrupting Dagger, etc. You can use various other mes effects here as well, like Migraine, Frustration, Arcane Conundrum, Diversion, Guilt, etc. You can also prot the spike (read: put your prot on before big, nasty chunks of damage hit, a.k.a. pre-prot), with Spirit Bond, which makes them fail entirely. In addition, you can carry extra PvP gear (read: weapon sets) and swap to it if you face a Ritualist Spike, like a +10al vs Lightning shield. Also, running descent health (read: don't run majors or superiors for no good reason, and don't run sub-par weapon sets either) can help.

As for killing them, it's easy. Don't think of them as 4 monks that are spending all of their skill bar, time, attention and energy keeping people alive/clean. They're worse than Monks(no prot, aside from 2 weapon spells which are basically equal to Guardian, and no Divine Favor), and their skillslots, attention, time and energy are divided between spiking, putting down spirits, and healing. Just make sure to kill nasty spirits like Displacment, Shadowsong, Dissonance, and Wanderlust. In fact, keeping those spirits from ever going up a second time once you've killed them is even better. If you do even most of that, they crumble, and they crumble fast.

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Originally Posted by blackbane

A mesmer with gale and four lightning shields.

I would advise against working in a Mesmer with Gale just to beat Rit spike. Honestly, any build that's good in Team Areans should have enough utility and offense to stomp Rit spike into the ground. If your build doesn't, you're either not playing it right, or you're playing a bad build.

Everyone bringing +10al vs Lightning shields is somthing that everyone should do, though.

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Teh [prefession]-zorz]

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4 shadowform assassins?

Or just run a build that's actually good and grind them into dust. Your suggestion there is silly, if you were actually being serious. If you weren't, I guess my sarcasam dectector is broken again. =/

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Teh [prefession]-zorz]

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i was gonna say prot. spirit

Spirit Bond is vastly superior to Protective Spirit.

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Originally Posted by Mylon

The problem with a good spirit spike is that unless you can keep prot spirit (or any other anti-spike enchant) on everyone, it's impossible to stop a good spike that way.

Also, the spirits are not a part of the spike, there're just 1/2 of the defense used (everyone bringing Spirit Light is the other half). Wielder's strike (plus some weapon skill or another) is the actual spike skill used. And this skill conveniently ignores armor bonuses, so skills like Shield of Regen doesn't work. I don't even think Shield of of Absorption works as advertised in the wiki (Wiki says it stops 10 damage on the second hit, 15 damage on the third, and so on), else the spirits would do a good job of getting this skill "Charged" up to stop a decent amount of the spike.

Just from that post it sounds like you really don't know very much about pre-protting, prot, monking, or playing Guild Wars in general. I'd strongly suggest you brush up on how you use protection effectively, which obviously includes pre-protting, and when you should use prot.

I can't write an essay right now, but I'm sure someone else around here can, or you could just delve into the Becoming A Better Monk thread, because I know most of that information has been covered in there, multiple times.

krypt1200 · Jun 01, 2007, 07:21 PM // 19:21

Kill number 1. Usually hes the caller, ive been in so many situation in which number 1 was killed, and people kinda kited around.