Curse

God Apprentice · Jul 29, 2007, 06:14 AM // 06:14

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Originally Posted by gasmaskman

Using heroway isn't being a scrub. Losing to heroway because you don't want to run it? That's the definition of a scrub. I don't care if you don't run heroway (I wouldn't, it's dumb, and I don't want to contribute to the problem, and I'm not defending it), don't complain about it being "scrubbish" if you lose because you're NOT playing it.

Actually it is for scrubs. I've had team mates say in local chat to Heroway teams before "hey guys? Yellow/Blue/Red is ahead in kills/relics, why are you still on us? Smart teams won't c space the nearest team. Heroway seems to only c space on the nearest team.

Ego · Jul 29, 2007, 09:28 AM // 09:28

/signed

Remove the Heroes completely from PvP, (Except for your HvH crap but I couldn't care less since I don't play it.)

Played HA with my alliance last night, did 2 runs, and 6/7 games included atleast 1 Heroway team.

And how sad is it, that Top 100 is now started to show 4 Human / 4 Heroway teams farming champ points and RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing up the rank for people who tries to get better at the game with proper builds...

Fix or just shut down the server to this already dying game.

whispering warlock · Jul 29, 2007, 11:32 PM // 23:32

we tried ha again today, think about 15 games, 11 heroways........
when we got 4 heroways in a row we stopped,
HA is a big joke atm,
anet fix it or remove pvp from the game
(wich you already did in a way...)

Apok Omen · Jul 30, 2007, 12:41 AM // 00:41

I think it's pretty useless complaining about Heroes in PvP, seeing as how Anet is too busy trying to make their new campaign into a success.

Anyway, at least in GvG, Heroway can be countered by quick ganking. In HA, however, the objective is to kill the most, run relics, and hold an altar... This is why I don't HA anymore.

Cass · Jul 30, 2007, 10:47 AM // 10:47

Something has to be done.

It took some time for people to find an effective set of skills for heroes, but they found it now. It's so effective that it gets plenty of wins and that 80% of teams in HA are running it.

It's also in GvG, by the way. Top100 guilds run it and farm champ points.

Anet, understand please that there is nothing worse than fighting the same bots over and over in a supposed PvP mode. It would already be bad if they were easy to beat, and they're not-- so it's even worse.

If this continues it's the end of pvp in GW IMO. Well, at least for me-- the bots and their friends can go on to battle each other for fame. GG

Ego · Jul 30, 2007, 12:40 PM // 12:40

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Originally Posted by Cass

If this continues it's the end of pvp in GW IMO. Well, at least for me-- the bots and their friends can go on to battle each other for fame. GG

GW is already walking that road, but Anet could atleast try and make it better, but all focus is on GW:EN and the PvE, I don't see many attempts to make PvP actually PLAYER vs PLAYER instead of PvE which they turned HA into, and to a lesser level GvG aswell.

I do not mind HvH at all, I don't like it but I don't mind it's existance.

But that's how close as Heroes should get into the PvP scene of this game.

With the minimum support and effort for PvP as Anet have atm, this game is dead. It's not dying, it is dead, I hope they will be able to use Restore Life on it, but I haven't seen any effort towards that in the past 6 months, so my hope isn't there anymore.

sprayer · Jul 31, 2007, 10:10 AM // 10:10

/signed x 10000000000000000

Snow Bunny · Jul 31, 2007, 05:39 PM // 17:39

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Originally Posted by God Apprentice

Actually it is for scrubs. I've had team mates say in local chat to Heroway teams before "hey guys? Yellow/Blue/Red is ahead in kills/relics, why are you still on us? Smart teams won't c space the nearest team. Heroway seems to only c space on the nearest team.

QFT.
The worst is when you get 2 heroway teams in 3 way. They either trounce you, or the one with better players simply farms the other one for kills. The match ends, they get beaten by rit spike or something, rinse and repeat.

It wouldn't be so bad if it were some players running the same stupid build. But it's not.

Again
/siiiiigggggnnnnneeeeddd

oh_oh_joe · Jul 31, 2007, 09:16 PM // 21:16

/signed .

son of lulu · Jul 31, 2007, 10:30 PM // 22:30

Mayb instead of haveing 4 heros per person you can only have 2 heros per team? Because if you remove all heros from HA then guys that dont have enough people to go into batlle will have to spam for long periods of time for a monk or so forth. So thats why i think mayb just 2 heros would balance this out just a bit

tahlkora and Dunkoro ftw!

Ka Tet · Aug 01, 2007, 05:59 AM // 05:59

another nite of facing lamers concluded, played a grand total of two matches against non lame builds, played about four against rit-lames, and the remaining 20 against heroways, tired of spending 12 minutes beating players who wouldnt last 2 minutes if they didnt have the ai to hold them up, im hoping all the lag tonite was the result of preparing for a skill balance/hero removal update and not more stuff for gwen, if things dont get better soon i wont be buying gwen, id encourage others to join me in that, they havent listened to our voices, maybe theyll listen to our wallets

danilovic · Aug 01, 2007, 07:35 AM // 07:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by God Apprentice

Actually it is for scrubs. I've had team mates say in local chat to Heroway teams before "hey guys? Yellow/Blue/Red is ahead in kills/relics, why are you still on us? Smart teams won't c space the nearest team. Heroway seems to only c space on the nearest team.

Maybe they farmed the weaker team.

Is it just me, or does heroway start to fade away?

jana_the_stranger · Aug 01, 2007, 11:04 AM // 11:04

play with hero's =/= pvp

so hero's out of HA-GvG ... very good idea

if you wanna play with hero's go play pve or hero battles ...

dontxhide · Aug 01, 2007, 09:46 PM // 21:46

I havent layed Guild Wars in about two years. I finally got internet again and have installed the game, no expansions. I decided that before I play I want to read up on everything that has been happening.

And now, reading this, I dont want to play. Back in the beginning GvG was my favorite thing to do in the game. Now it seems like all PvP is messed up now? I dont care about the PvE aspect of the game, I liked Guild Wars due to the fact that the PvP was fun to play and required talent and time.

Is is really as bad as you all are saying it is?

Kyp Jade · Aug 01, 2007, 09:56 PM // 21:56

no its not to bad. for the most part people running heroway are newer pvp players that dont know the best ways to win a match. IE: run relics. And for the most part are easy to beat. However you do get some teams that know what they are doing. Be great to see them play something other than a gimmick, but they are out for fame, not fun.

Kirren · Aug 02, 2007, 06:13 AM // 06:13

I just want the stupid emotes.

I don't care how I get it. HA isn't fun. PVP isn't fun. I also find it amusing that PVP'ers are complaining about PVE ruining PVP, when 9 times out of 10, if there's a nerf, it was caused by an imbalance in pvp.

Nobody in the American districts play at night. Those that do are intolerant of others, snobbish, rude, and don't even have the good graces to offer a friendly, "gg" before or after a match. And good luck getting into a group during the daytime too for that matter.

I've been playing since beta, and every now and again, I pop in to HA to play for a bit and see if anything's changed. Quite a few solid weeks of nothing but PVP every few months since I began, has pretty much cemented the conclusion that people are in general jerks and are consumed with the concept of winning to the point that it ruins any fun to be had. I don't mind losing. I don't mind changing my build to meet demand. But since most people don't mind treating others like dog meat, I really don't mind screwing the rest of you with Hero way.

Doesn't bother me in the slightest really.

Which is not to say that I don't mind anger directed at people that aren't team players. And I fully understand the concept of earning what you desire.
And I can definately empathise with the concept of not taking noobs with you through HA. Why would an R7 who wants to win, take someone who isn't ranked?

I can understand these points, and even agree with them to an extent.

So I don't mind being not picked for a group. But if I have to suffer through hours and hours of elitist pricks, desperately trying to climb the ladder at 3am when few are on, and getting insulted the entire time by the opposing teams (win or lose people tend to be jerks no matter what the scenario) then I sort of lose my interest in what others think of me, which means I don't mind seeing heroway groups running around.

It seems only fitting that such an aggravating place would give birth to an aggravating build system doesn't it?

Kyp Jade · Aug 02, 2007, 06:26 AM // 06:26

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Originally Posted by Kirren

Nobody in the American districts play at night. Those that do are intolerant of others, snobbish, rude, and don't even have the good graces to offer a friendly, "gg" before or after a match. And good luck getting into a group during the daytime too for that matter.

I always say gg, and I kick ppl from my groups for trash talking.

Your also going about this getting the emote thing wrong. You dont pug if u want it, you build a friends list, and always play with the same ppl. Thats how HA guilds form, and get good, takes time and patience, but thats the way it works.

and If you hate HA, dont play it.

Gimme Money Plzkthx · Aug 02, 2007, 04:21 PM // 16:21

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Originally Posted by Kirren

I just want the stupid emotes.

I don't care how I get it. HA isn't fun. PVP isn't fun. I also find it amusing that PVP'ers are complaining about PVE ruining PVP, when 9 times out of 10, if there's a nerf, it was caused by an imbalance in pvp.

Nobody in the American districts play at night. Those that do are intolerant of others, snobbish, rude, and don't even have the good graces to offer a friendly, "gg" before or after a match. And good luck getting into a group during the daytime too for that matter.

I've been playing since beta, and every now and again, I pop in to HA to play for a bit and see if anything's changed. Quite a few solid weeks of nothing but PVP every few months since I began, has pretty much cemented the conclusion that people are in general jerks and are consumed with the concept of winning to the point that it ruins any fun to be had. I don't mind losing. I don't mind changing my build to meet demand. But since most people don't mind treating others like dog meat, I really don't mind screwing the rest of you with Hero way.

Doesn't bother me in the slightest really.

Which is not to say that I don't mind anger directed at people that aren't team players. And I fully understand the concept of earning what you desire.
And I can definately empathise with the concept of not taking noobs with you through HA. Why would an R7 who wants to win, take someone who isn't ranked?

I can understand these points, and even agree with them to an extent.

So I don't mind being not picked for a group. But if I have to suffer through hours and hours of elitist pricks, desperately trying to climb the ladder at 3am when few are on, and getting insulted the entire time by the opposing teams (win or lose people tend to be jerks no matter what the scenario) then I sort of lose my interest in what others think of me, which means I don't mind seeing heroway groups running around.

It seems only fitting that such an aggravating place would give birth to an aggravating build system doesn't it?

This is a competitive game. If you're honestly soft enough that all this bothers you, then don't play it. Welcome to the real world, of interaction with real people in a competitive environment?

SixNine · Aug 02, 2007, 08:26 PM // 20:26

Hero's should be reduced in HA because they destroy the flow of the game. A group of friends and I did 3 runs in HA last night. All 3 times in HOH we got ganked by a heroway team. These teams didn't even bother to bring the ghost down on king of the hill nor did they bother running relics, they just ran straight for us. When I said WTF, they told me that their team doesn't stand a chance of winning so they just pick a team and gank.

Heroway is like a loaded gun in Halls, if they don't gank you, they didn't shoot.

On a side note:
I asked the Dev during the last festival about heroway, if there was any plans to take hero's out of HA. The response I got from the dev was No, but said that their could be some discussion on reducing the numbers of them.

Kirren · Aug 03, 2007, 12:35 AM // 00:35

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Originally Posted by Gimme Money Plzkthx

This is a competitive game. If you're honestly soft enough that all this bothers you, then don't play it. Welcome to the real world, of interaction with real people in a competitive environment?

Competition need not give way to poor sportsmanship. There's a difference between fair aggression, and obscene posturing when winning or screaming "omgwtfn00b!1!shift!1one!!" when losing.