Curse

Cebe · Jan 24, 2007, 11:31 AM // 11:31

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Originally Posted by Amadei

Ran into a very confused ranger in ABs yesterday:

Yes, he echo'd Wastrel's Worry at least twice that I could see. I do not know why.

Why not just...make a mesmer?

Can't beat a W/Mo with mending though

I Write Sins · Jan 24, 2007, 11:46 AM // 11:46

other than me playing as a healers boon or boon prot W/Mo...

dont have any screens but ive seen

a War/Ele with Elemental attunement, mark of rodgort, and maelstrom...

Assin/Ranger with barrage and needling shot

a w/mo with heal party

a Bonder in RA lawl

"Pure Heal" monks with healing breeze

--and Thomas...Dervs can actually make killer monks, maybe not boon prot b/c they have no divine faovr...but mysiticsm is a godly energy management, i ran a RC D/Mo in HA (in a all derv group) and me and the other derv's energy never dropped below 28...and dervs can use Imbue Health as a big heal

Thomas.knbk · Jan 24, 2007, 12:13 PM // 12:13

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Originally Posted by I Write Sins

a w/mo with heal party

a Bonder in RA lawl

ZB Boon bonder is pwnage in RA, and I'm completely serious. At least it was before Avatar of Grenth

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Originally Posted by I Write Sins

--and Thomas...Dervs can actually make killer monks, maybe not boon prot b/c they have no divine faovr...but mysiticsm is a godly energy management, i ran a RC D/Mo in HA (in a all derv group) and me and the other derv's energy never dropped below 28...and dervs can use Imbue Health as a big heal

Dervishes can make semi-competent healers. They will never be able to replace monks. And a Boon Prot dervish....well.....is just stupid

Stealth will become the new meta though

Thom Bangalter · Jan 24, 2007, 07:33 PM // 19:33

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Originally Posted by Thomas.knbk

Stealth will become the new meta though

Like gaile's pvp r/mo with healing skills as a secret healer?

Divineshadows · Jan 24, 2007, 07:46 PM // 19:46

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Originally Posted by Thomas.knbk

Mark my words, STEALTH is going to become the new meta

You heard it from me first

Which kind of stealth do you mean:

1. Having a character do some other function less efficiently merely to try and throw off your opponents by going against their pre-conceptions.

2. Having a character using a skillbar with "hidden" skills that are not used until the timing of a match is absolutely prime. Example: glyph sac + meteor shower at VoD -- iQ in tournament setting. Of course, this was only "stealthy" the first time this was done by iQ. Once it had been done once it was in the minds of future opponents much like trick plays in football games.

The first kind of stealth always fails (well maybe it would succeed somewhat 1.5 years ago when the game didn't show you your opponents skill usage). The second kind of stealth has its places and merits.

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Originally Posted by Thom Bangalter

Like gaile's pvp r/mo with healing skills as a secret healer?

/sigh

Please refrain from personal attacks on A-net's PR rep.

karunpav · Jan 24, 2007, 08:04 PM // 20:04

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Originally Posted by Celestial Beaver

Can't beat a W/Mo with mending though

I think this comes pretty close...

ss1986v2 · Jan 24, 2007, 08:19 PM // 20:19

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Originally Posted by Divineshadows

1. Having a character do some other function less efficiently merely to try and throw off your opponents by going against their pre-conceptions.

this kinda "stealth" does still work, but only against the dregs you find in RA. ive run with several monk in RA that roll mo/w and bring riptose/shield bash/balanced stance with maybe ZB and some other protection. with the "rush the monk" mentality in RA, it makes teams with multiple melee chars rather easy. and if not, you still have a semi capable monk.

again, not great, but in RA, it can usually lead to an easy glad point.

Thom Bangalter · Jan 24, 2007, 08:29 PM // 20:29

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Originally Posted by Divineshadows

/sigh

Please refrain from personal attacks on A-net's PR rep.

It's so hard not to though :S

Thomas.knbk · Jan 24, 2007, 08:33 PM // 20:33

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Originally Posted by karunpav

I think this comes pretty close...

Meh, I saw wammos using that AND mending. Try to top that.

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Originally Posted by Divineshadows

Which kind of stealth do you mean:

1. Having a character do some other function less efficiently merely to try and throw off your opponents by going against their pre-conceptions.

2. Having a character using a skillbar with "hidden" skills that are not used until the timing of a match is absolutely prime. Example: glyph sac + meteor shower at VoD -- iQ in tournament setting. Of course, this was only "stealthy" the first time this was done by iQ. Once it had been done once it was in the minds of future opponents much like trick plays in football games.

Wait. You weren't like.....taking that remark seriously, were you?
The first type of stealth has been meta in RA for years
The second type requires the 'stealth skills' to be unexpected, and therefore can never become part of the metagame. As soon as something is a big part of a metagame it is, after all, not unexpected.

I Mean I · Jan 24, 2007, 08:54 PM // 20:54

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Originally Posted by master_of_puppets

[skill]"I Will Avenge You!"[/skill][skill]Eviscerate[/skill][skill]Executioner's Strike[/skill][skill]Distracting Blow[/skill][skill]Charm Animal[/skill][skill]Edge of Extinction[/skill][skill]Tiger's Fury[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

QFT QFT QFT!!!!!
or something like:
[skill]"Victory is Mine!"[/skill][skill]Barbed Trap[/skill][skill]Dust Trap[/skill][skill]Flame Trap[/skill][skill]Healing Spring[/skill][skill]Quickening Zephyr[/skill][skill]Whirling Defense[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

Wilhelm · Jan 24, 2007, 09:07 PM // 21:07

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Originally Posted by Legendary Ultimatum

lol someone in my alliance last night was asking for warriors for ride of the lightning spike, we laughed so hard.

: lf 4 r6+ W for ride the lightning spike

x_x

and last night, i beleive it was. 9+ W/Mo for SoL + SoJ spike.

clearly bored with the game.

Franco Power · Jan 24, 2007, 09:17 PM // 21:17

no no no, in the morning it was r9 + W/mo for wamoball and they were spiking with power attack LOL

carbajac · Jan 25, 2007, 02:27 AM // 02:27

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Originally Posted by I Mean I

QFT QFT QFT!!!!!
or something like:
[skill]"Victory is Mine!"[/skill][skill]Barbed Trap[/skill][skill]Dust Trap[/skill][skill]Flame Trap[/skill][skill]Healing Spring[/skill][skill]Quickening Zephyr[/skill][skill]Whirling Defense[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

You forget, guys like this ^^^ in RA won't be carrying a Resurrection Signet.

I ran into a warrior the other night with Dragon's Stomp + Aftershock, I was too slow to get the screen though.

Sentience · Jan 25, 2007, 02:36 AM // 02:36

A/E

Glyph of Lesser Energy
Meteor Shower
Falling Spider
Twisting Fangs

Believe that's how his combo went. Pretty leet eh?

Mike_version2 · Jan 25, 2007, 08:11 AM // 08:11

I dont have a screenshot of it but I had a sin on my team using animate vampiric bone horrors and other MM skill o_o

Riotgear · Jan 25, 2007, 09:22 AM // 09:22

Ranger with Conjure Nightmare. I guess it worked, because it immediately gave me nightmares about this thread.

BlackEagle · Jan 26, 2007, 09:21 PM // 21:21

No screenshot unfortunately but....

Warrior in gvg with mending, blessed sig and Healing Burst. He also used frenzy at every oppotunity, despite being a couple of aggro cricles away from his monks or any other player, but at least he had enough energy, blessed signet kept him good on energy for the 2 seconds he was alive.

Also, I've been repeatedly guilted as a blight monk, as in every time he had the skill recharged it would be used on me, maybe he was waiting for my stealth plan of using Smite at a crucial point in the game?!?!

Also all the usual stuff, but they always seem to be on my team.

Divineshadows · Jan 26, 2007, 10:09 PM // 22:09

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Originally Posted by BlackEagle

Also, I've been repeatedly guilted as a blight monk, as in every time he had the skill recharged it would be used on me, maybe he was waiting for my stealth plan of using Smite at a crucial point in the game?!?!

Reminds me of the days when guilt actually affected my boon prot bars that contained energy drain and drain enchantment. Those were the days. Trying to manuever your skill usage as a monk around diversion, shame, and guilt...now that was tricky.

Faced this sissy warrior last night in RA that had one of the dumbest builds I've ever seen:

W/R

Auspicious Parry {E}
Healing Signet
Troll Unguent
Power Attack
Penetrating Blow

I was on my monk in a 2 on 4 fight (the other 2 left my team before the match started). The mesmer and I held out until one of the opposing players left. Then we wand killed the elementalist who got rezzed, killed again, and left. Then we went and stood in the miasma and tanked this completely non-threatening warrior and a slightly threatening dervish.

Every time the warrior got to 20% health he'd run away and spam healing signet and troll unguent. A couple minutes later, my mesmer left and later the dervish left. I wanted to stay and teach the warrior a lesson of how much he sucked by figuring out a way to kill him with my monk (probably would have had to wait till he went afk), but got called to do some HA. I had swapped in my 15^50 wand and was continously dragging miasma over to his location, but had difficulty getting the last 25% of his health gone.

Vermilion · Jan 27, 2007, 01:04 AM // 01:04

Well Im back to doing RA regularly, and I remember why I stopped going.

For example..

1. Physical damage classes impersonating casters. Sure, dervs and necros can heal/prot/etc sometimes, but I saw a ranger earlier using life transfer, and other assorted blood skills. Given, a touch ranger is far from the worst thing to have on your team, but this was not such a case. Lacking any defensive skills and damage, it really didn't contribute much other than the occasional vile touch, woo.

More on that subject, I also encountered an Arcane Zeal Derv recently. I know dervs have some healing ability, but this was all self survival. Arcane zeal, lyssas haste, interventions, and mystic regen Im sure. I never saw an offensive skill, and he mostly ran around keeping himself alive and giving the monk an occasional imbue.

2. Since I see it so much, don't run Healing Hands. If anywhere maybe on a monk primary, but I'm just tired of seeing it on sins and the eternal warrior.

3. I won't criticize those who are new to pvp or a certain class and go in with the skills given to you at the start, but can we give the necros something other than plague signet for a test elite? ...

I will undoubtedly be posting here some more, sadly.

neoflame · Jan 27, 2007, 01:36 AM // 01:36

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Originally Posted by Vermilion

More on that subject, I also encountered an Arcane Zeal Derv recently. I know dervs have some healing ability, but this was all self survival. Arcane zeal, lyssas haste, interventions, and mystic regen Im sure. I never saw an offensive skill, and he mostly ran around keeping himself alive and giving the monk an occasional imbue.

This almost sounds like a build I was testing in RA (in fact your name sounds familiar), except that I was spamming Mystic Healing.