Curse

Winstar · Aug 24, 2007, 04:39 PM // 16:39

so call spikes with it up not while you're casting it. In the majority of cases, even if you're pressuring on low targets you want to finish you aren't going to have to stop to put it up.

Anyway, its going to get fixed, there is a reason its only supposed to work with bows, so it won't matter anyway.

street peddler · Aug 24, 2007, 04:41 PM // 16:41

rapid fire is only supposed to work on bows. So itll most likely be fixed.

LifesRestorer · Aug 24, 2007, 04:54 PM // 16:54

i sense fun with earthen shackles on burning isle

Ben-A-BoO · Aug 24, 2007, 05:37 PM // 17:37

Zealot's Fire - Wielders Zeal - Ghostly Weapon = bye bye Aegis - DA - SoD

moko · Aug 24, 2007, 05:55 PM // 17:55

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Originally Posted by LifesRestorer

i sense fun with earthen shackles on burning isle

the burning effect will be changed to an environemental degen with some slowdown, meaning melandru will be affected by it and earthen shackles will be useless (AFAIK).

Metanoia · Aug 24, 2007, 06:11 PM // 18:11

Am I weird for thinking Defile Defenses is awesome?

Zuranthium · Aug 24, 2007, 06:34 PM // 18:34

I wish I could comment about how the new skills are playing, but when I tried pre-ordering the expansion at the log-in screen, it says I've already purchased it (huh?? no I haven't) and so now I can't access the new skills.

~Z

j_unit66 · Aug 24, 2007, 07:09 PM // 19:09

falling lotus strike on an aod, hello unlimited energy

may be over kill but it would b rediculous on an SP sin aswell, 2 attacks that give 11 extra energy

Thomas.knbk · Aug 24, 2007, 07:33 PM // 19:33

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Originally Posted by SotiCoto

Don't forget the 2 second casting time. You need it at 14 second duration to have it up all the time.

Why would I care if it's up while I cast it? It needs to be up 100% of the time I'm attacking, and 12 seconds is enough for that. If the bug is fixed it's hardly threatning. I doubt even rangers will use it then. (I know I'll still go with apply)

Also, if your attack skills are disabled for 0 seconds (I'm looking at disarm on a /W), does it reset your adrenaline or do you need a strength investment for that?

All I can say is that smite monks look pretty hot now, (Smiter's Boon, Zealot's Fire, Reversal of Damage, Smite Condition, Smite Hex, Balth Aura, AI, can't really think of an elite. Perhaps just sig of removal), Energy Blast looks pretty overpowred, and I don't know how Sum of All Fears (lol at the name) is going to turn out. It looks pretty good at shutting down warriors.

I haven't been able to test anything because a) I didnt pre-order b) after 1 1/2 hours my loading screen is at 30%. 12K files remaining.

karunpav · Aug 25, 2007, 12:42 AM // 00:42

Weilder's Zeal+Ghostly Weapon+Zealot's Fire might become the new smiter for those triple Mel derv steamroll teams. Unblockable attacks on already devestatingly effective melee's... permenantly. This would be seriously broken.

TheOneMephisto · Aug 25, 2007, 02:39 AM // 02:39

2 sec cast time for IAS sucks.

twicky_kid · Aug 25, 2007, 03:01 AM // 03:01

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Originally Posted by ibreaktoilets

OoA+Machoism. Discuss.

Machoism + Dark Fury + Fear Me. Discuss.

frojack · Aug 25, 2007, 08:13 AM // 08:13

Power Lock is so much fun that I even use it on Ele (when I don't have to carry Convert or Draw anyways).

Anyone used Waste not, Want Not properly yet? I know the e-gain is low but what do you think of the condition?

Winstar · Aug 25, 2007, 10:24 AM // 10:24

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Originally Posted by TheOneMephisto

2 sec cast time for IAS sucks.

Actually, when you can easily have it up for 14 + seconds with rush, its pretty good. 2 second cast is largely irrelevent apart from a possible interrupt, but be careful putting it up, and its a reasonably short recharge. Don't call unloads when you casting it ... 14+ seconds of rush+frenzy is pretty RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing good. Sigh. Anyway, it was never intended to work this way so all the haters don't have to worry about not using it anyway.

Gagonaka · Aug 25, 2007, 05:49 PM // 17:49

Masochism+touch of agony+wallows bite+aura of the lich+blood renewal+dark aura.

Death Magic 8+3
Blood Magic 12+3+1
Soul reaping 10+3

the 2 touch skills will cost 1 energy, blood renewal 1 energy. nice spammage if you ask me.

Thomas.knbk · Aug 25, 2007, 09:31 PM // 21:31

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Originally Posted by Gagonaka

Masochism+touch of agony+wallows bite+aura of the lich+blood renewal+dark aura.

Death Magic 8+3
Blood Magic 12+3+1
Soul reaping 10+3

the 2 touch skills will cost 1 energy, blood renewal 1 energy. nice spammage if you ask me.

Exept its DPS/spike capacities are even shittier than the DPS/spike capacities of a regular toucher, which is already pretty bad, and you need to take a squishie into your frontline. And Blood Renewal is bad.

Riotgear · Aug 26, 2007, 03:43 AM // 03:43

Rapid Fire is going to become pretty dubious if it winds up only being on bows, and potentially more obnoxious than RaO if not.

Waste Not, Want Not doesn't seem that exciting. Energy gain's OK, but when stuff like Drain Enchantment and Power Drain give you some utility in addition to the energy management, why bother?

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Originally Posted by karunpav

This would be seriously broken.

Solution: Nerf Melandru.

Zuranthium · Aug 26, 2007, 05:56 AM // 05:56

Masochism is a skill that was most definitely needed to make some of the crappy Blood Magic abilities more playable...I used it along with Wail of Doom, Angorodon's Gaze, Vamp Gaze, Blood of the Aggressor, Blood Renewal, Signet of Agony, and Rez Sig for RA. Spam armor-ignoring damage and make physical characters mad with Wail. Pretty fun.

The problem, though, is that the actual life sac abilities ALL need improvement. Blood Renewal requires way too much up-front health expenditure to be used as a decent self-heal, Wail of Doom should just sac 1% and hit and "adjacent" range (now it can actually have a chance at thwarting a train), Signet of Agony should also just sac 1% health and have the recharge bumped down to 10 seconds (e-management), and Blood of the Agressor/Dark Pact/Barbed Signet should all get minor buffs. I also would like to see Vamp Touch/Bite at 10 energy with a 1% health sac component to fit in with Masochism.

Good to see a bad line get some new toys...hopefully it can be shaped up well enough to where you can create a Blood Magic Necro that's truly as menacing as a Curses Necro.

~Z

Mysterial · Aug 26, 2007, 01:57 PM // 13:57

If you're giving skills 1% sacrifice just so they work with Masochism, that should be giving you hints as to what the problem actually is.

Thomas.knbk · Aug 26, 2007, 03:34 PM // 15:34

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Originally Posted by Mysterial

If you're giving skills 1% sacrifice just so they work with Masochism, that should be giving you hints as to what the problem actually is.

Agreed. Might as well give them a 'this skill works with masochism and Dark Aura' note and remove the health sac completely. I agree a lot of health sac skills could use a buff, but 1% sec is pretty pointless.

BTW, anyone tested yet if an unspecced disarm removes your adrenaline?