Curse

yum · Oct 11, 2007, 09:15 PM // 21:15

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Originally Posted by mattjenkins

easy fix

aggressive refrain
For 5...21 seconds, you attack 25% faster but take double damage. This Echo is reapplied every time a Chant or Shout ends on you.

There is an even easier fix:
For 20...120 s, all party members attack 33% faster but have -7 hp regen and -20 armor. This Echo is reapplied every time you use a skill.
Yay!!

Bankai · Oct 11, 2007, 09:16 PM // 21:16

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Originally Posted by yum

There is an even easier fix:
For 20...120 s, all party members attack 33% faster but have -30 armor. This Echo is reapplied every time you use a skill.
Yay!!

For 2....120 s, you attack 33% faster and all party members have -30 armor. This echo is reapplies every time you use a skill.

Fix'd.

crucifix · Oct 12, 2007, 05:18 PM // 17:18

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Originally Posted by Greedy Gus

It's abundantly clear that have no idea what you're talking about.

People aren't asking for paragon nerfs because they can't defend against them or counter them. The good players have already found and refined the ways to deal with heavy paragon damage, and they're way better than your useless armchair scrub opinions.

The issue is that the method of dealing with heavy paragon damage & extra utility is one of the main reasons the metagame has moved to what it is, and it happens to be highly defensive and quite boring (out of necessity, so you don't lose in 4 mins).

If you (general, anyone reading this) think that when players ask for nerfs that they should just understand the issue better and 'counter it', then you have an elementary school level of understanding game balance. The top players play to win, and they'll be countering what is overpowered whether they ask for nerfs or not (this is so fundamental, it's hard to not understand; the top players are always the ones who are playing to win, by necessity. If something is overpowered and they ignore it, then they're no longer at the top). The place to look to determine whether nerfs/tweaks are a good idea or not is at the metagame: is the resulting metagame less fun/skillful/interesting to play in?

well now that i know for sure that i struck a nerve, lets keep pushing. Quit your bitching, you suck even more at this game than I do, great achievement! Your tweaking and altering of a skill in order to change the metagame to something that YOU like has absolutely nothing to do with the rest of the community. Everyone else adapted, i did, the top 100 guilds did, and the halls guilds did to. Don't just fill this forum with bullshit suggestions unless you have the power to change them; at this point you're just wasting your time. It's survival of the fittest, not survival of those who complain too much. Play the game you paid for; don't expect it to revolve around your idea of fun.

Symbol · Oct 12, 2007, 05:56 PM // 17:56

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well now that i know for sure that i struck a nerve, lets keep pushing. Quit your bitching, you suck even more at this game than I do, great achievement! Your tweaking and altering of a skill in order to change the metagame to something that YOU like has absolutely nothing to do with the rest of the community. Everyone else adapted, i did, the top 100 guilds did, and the halls guilds did to. Don't just fill this forum with bullshit suggestions unless you have the power to change them; at this point you're just wasting your time. It's survival of the fittest, not survival of those who complain too much. Play the game you paid for; don't expect it to revolve around your idea of fun.

Do you have to work to be this retarded, or does it just come naturally to you?

Just because the community has adapted doesn't mean they like the current meta. In fact a cursory glance at all the bitching indicates the opposite.

Riotgear · Oct 12, 2007, 11:12 PM // 23:12

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Originally Posted by crucifix

Everyone else adapted, i did, the top 100 guilds did, and the halls guilds did to.

Top 100 guilds running something does not indicate that they like it, it indicates that it wins games. Nothing more. A lot of these people running these builds want them nerfed so they can run something more interesting instead.

Greedy Gus · Oct 13, 2007, 06:01 AM // 06:01

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Originally Posted by crucifix

well now that i know for sure that i struck a nerve, lets keep pushing. Quit your bitching, you suck even more at this game than I do, great achievement! Your tweaking and altering of a skill in order to change the metagame to something that YOU like has absolutely nothing to do with the rest of the community. Everyone else adapted, i did, the top 100 guilds did, and the halls guilds did to. Don't just fill this forum with bullshit suggestions unless you have the power to change them; at this point you're just wasting your time. It's survival of the fittest, not survival of those who complain too much. Play the game you paid for; don't expect it to revolve around your idea of fun.

Reading comprehension is hard huh? You saw that I posted, so you took that to mean that it's your turn to talk and keep spewing nonsense (that has nothing to do with an actual reply to the post content). Just go back to trolling some other forum where they may not know that you're a complete scrub.

Njaiguni Blaze · Oct 13, 2007, 12:06 PM // 12:06

I think the penalty was needed in somewhat way, but Anet made a mistake by making the penalty a condition. The condition gets reapllied every time AG is.
Think about it: Fevered Dreams, Fragility, Plague Sending, etc.

moko · Oct 13, 2007, 03:17 PM // 15:17

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Originally Posted by Njaiguni Blaze

I think the penalty was needed in somewhat way, but Anet made a mistake by making the penalty a condition. The condition gets reapllied every time AG is.
Think about it: Fevered Dreams, Fragility, Plague Sending, etc.

none of these condition skills will really make a big difference to either side.

Shmanka · Oct 14, 2007, 08:34 PM // 20:34

Duration -7 Seconds, so a hex can force him to reapply?

Wasteland Squidget · Oct 14, 2007, 10:43 PM // 22:43

The Cracked Armor change works out pretty well in practice. Paragons can't just sit in the frontline and be immune to spikes anymore.

It's not the change I would have made, but it works.

Kyp Jade · Oct 15, 2007, 01:02 AM // 01:02

Its a clumsy nerf, I am not in favor of something like this. I would much more be in favor of a -20 Armor permanent than reapply a condition. Izzy is just being lazy

moko · Oct 15, 2007, 08:55 AM // 08:55

i think this is actually better, instead of just killing the skill, you just have to make it usable (PvE, a big aspect of it). it now requires direct counters, and witht he nerf to SoD and RC coming back, it won't matter that much anyways.

i actually like how this forced PvErs to take funny stuff like puryfing finale (sp

).

but yes, it works, it's an alright solution to it imo. paras are still hilarious to spike, but at least it's not that dumb anymore.

jaeharys targaryen · Oct 15, 2007, 12:52 PM // 12:52

i really shouldnt have made this thread. all i have to say is:
it is possibly the stupidest thing i ever said by saying it didnt need a nerf.
so:
make it a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing unremovable -20 armor, plz??? i'd rather have that than have dunkoro waste his energy.

(edit)for pvp:it seems fine. still ahve 76(w/o centurions) armor at a range.

Wasteland Squidget · Oct 16, 2007, 08:56 PM // 20:56

Posts deleted. The topic is Aggressive Refrain, not grade school flame wars. Let's keep it that way.

auch · Oct 17, 2007, 07:27 PM // 19:27

umm i thought they added cracked armor for 20 seconds after activating [skill]Aggressive Refrain[/skill] but they didnt update the skill thingy on here

Ensign · Oct 17, 2007, 09:00 PM // 21:00

The cracked armor is a lot more interesting than -20 AL in practice, it's a pretty good nerf really; only problem is how it plays havoc on AI Monks, that needs to be addressed somehow.

Riotgear · Oct 17, 2007, 09:46 PM // 21:46

AI monks would need some sort of prioritization system. Right now their priority is to immediately bitchslap arrows that point down with any recharged skill capable of doing so.

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Originally Posted by auch

umm i thought they added cracked armor for 20 seconds after activating [skill]Aggressive Refrain[/skill] but they didnt update the skill thingy on here

Those are extremely outdated. By "extremely" I mean on the order of several months.