Curse

jaeharys targaryen · Oct 07, 2007, 05:46 PM // 17:46

I've heard tell they wanna do a minus 10 armor somesuch on this skill.

All i have to say is:
Did anet make a proffession whose only function was to be their bitch?

if ar is nerfed, it would be a sad, sad day for gw.

Bankai · Oct 07, 2007, 05:55 PM // 17:55

HOLY SHIT, -10 ARMOR WITH A SKILL ON A PROFESSION THAT'S ALREADY A RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOING TANK

Seriously. Paragons are already really overpowered. ANet can't help it they came up with such a horribly overpowered and badly designed class.

Oh wait. They can.

karunpav · Oct 07, 2007, 05:55 PM // 17:55

yeah, because a permanent 25% IAS that can be used to pump out sword-level DPS from range AND be used to fuel GftE for more energy gain isn't imba at all. besides, -10 armor would totally wreck the whole 96 AL tank thing they have going on.

jaeharys targaryen · Oct 07, 2007, 06:12 PM // 18:12

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Originally Posted by karunpav

yeah, because a permanent 25% IAS that can be used to pump out sword-level DPS from range AND be used to fuel GftE for more energy gain isn't imba at all. besides, -10 armor would totally wreck the whole 96 AL tank thing they have going on.

i guess. i still have problems.
25 e and interruptable+you need anthem of flame to keep it up before battle.
i dont know. you certainly changed my opinion quite a bit though.

Keekles · Oct 07, 2007, 06:15 PM // 18:15

The problem is that Paragons are extremely broken. There's nothing that can really be done to them without destroying them in some way, but unless changes are done, they're imbalanced to a certain extent. One skill can shut them down yes, but out of the 64 slots, chances are I'm not going to spend one or more of them on it. (Vocal Minority)

Tab · Oct 07, 2007, 06:18 PM // 18:18

Aggressive Refrain is a constant IAS once it's up. Constant IAS on a ranged character with warrior-esque DPS is not a good thing.
IMO, -10 AL isn't enough. It needs to be -24.

Legendary Shiz · Oct 07, 2007, 06:20 PM // 18:20

+1!

No but seriously, that would be a great idea. It would still be used as paras would still have an abnormally high AL, and still allows them to be the dps machine they are.

That addition to the skill will still make it overpowered, but at least they realize that somethings broken with the skill.

moko · Oct 07, 2007, 06:23 PM // 18:23

if AR gets nerfed it will be a good day for GWs, seeing how Izzy would slowly understand the game basics.

i don't think anything will change though.

really.

Riotgear · Oct 07, 2007, 07:42 PM // 19:42

Giving a Paragon -10 AL is like giving elementalists 5 less energy.

TheOneMephisto · Oct 07, 2007, 08:22 PM // 20:22

Awww, it didn't close. But anyways, when the only requisite to keeping up a free, powerful, ranged, drawback-less IAS is doing something that the paragon is designed to do either way, it gets kind of retarded. It's like if warrior's got a free IAS that to keep up they have to attack or use an adrenal skill in the time alloted, except paragons can ever keep it up outside of battle easily.

And also, it's on a class with warrior-level armor (more if you take the right insignias + shield + watch yourself) in the midline.

Personally, I think that they should nerf this to at least -20 all the time or -30 while attacking.

moko · Oct 07, 2007, 08:33 PM // 20:33

'while' attacking is simply dumb. you just stop attacking when you really need it and the "nerf" doesn't do anything.

PERMA -x AL ftw.

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The problem is that Paragons are extremely broken. There's nothing that can really be done to them without destroying them in some way, but unless changes are done, they're imbalanced to a certain extent. One skill can shut them down yes, but out of the 64 slots, chances are I'm not going to spend one or more of them on it. (Vocal Minority)

ANY anti melee (except ward vs melee) works, so it's not only vocal. vocal is horrible already and doesn't do anything against their damage, rly.

Greedy Gus · Oct 07, 2007, 09:50 PM // 21:50

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Originally Posted by Mokone

ANY anti melee (except ward vs melee) works

Wrong, you mean any anti-physical. Movement control is pretty great melee shutdown that is highly active & skillful, but does nothing to paragons (a big reason why water eles as defensive characters are much less viable than before NF).

Diddy bow · Oct 07, 2007, 09:54 PM // 21:54

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Originally Posted by Greedy Gus

Wrong, you mean any anti-physical. Movement control is pretty great melee shutdown that is highly active & skillful, but does nothing to paragons (a big reason why water eles as defensive characters are much less viable than before NF).

Well you can move left and right or just move out the way of spears to dodge them

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Even if AR deos get the minus 10 while attacking i hope Izzy L2P and buff some of the crap paragons have.

moko · Oct 07, 2007, 09:58 PM // 21:58

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Originally Posted by Greedy Gus

Wrong, you mean any anti-physical. Movement control is pretty great melee shutdown that is highly active & skillful, but does nothing to paragons (a big reason why water eles as defensive characters are much less viable than before NF).

ever heard of dodging/obstruction?

Div · Oct 07, 2007, 11:33 PM // 23:33

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Originally Posted by Diddy bow

Well you can move left and right or just move out the way of spears to dodge them

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Even if AR deos get the minus 10 while attacking i hope Izzy L2P and buff some of the crap paragons have.

One of my guildies claim all his spears are undodgeable and unblockable...

twicky_kid · Oct 08, 2007, 02:26 AM // 02:26

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

One of my guildies claim all his spears are undodgeable and unblockable...

Na its being chucked so fasting he/she doesn't notice.

assassin of the god · Oct 08, 2007, 05:20 AM // 05:20

Wait why would giving a permenant 25% IAS on a ranged class with the DPS of a war and insane defensive capabilities a nerf be a sad day for GW?

I Angra I · Oct 08, 2007, 05:45 AM // 05:45

Frenzy makes a warrior take double damage? WHAT!? THE WARRIOR CLASS IS COMPLETELY RUINED NOW!

oh wait

s w o r d y · Oct 08, 2007, 05:55 AM // 05:55

just use flail then

Bankai · Oct 08, 2007, 06:57 AM // 06:57

Anti-physical doesn't work, because as soon as you're paying attention to the Paragons, their warriors have already killed your monks.

Well, not really, but you know what I mean.