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bungusmaximus · Oct 05, 2007, 10:27 AM // 10:27

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Originally Posted by Emma Whatevergoat

All the issues stated are valid, but they all get beaten by this: there are practically no more leavers in RA.

True, but with masamune's tweaks there will still be no more leavers in RA, which probably solves the problem for both sides. The more people happy, the better imo.

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Originally Posted by DreamRunner

I find it hard to believe that you're decent at the game but never played in a GvG before. Its just GvG is a different type of pvp experience and that you've never experienced it, puts a bad taste in my mouth.

I do agree that the dishonour shouldn't effect GvG at all. I mean, its gvg and for some damn reason I don't know why pve players are even commenting. If dishonour didn't effect gvg, why would pve players even care?

Don't talk rubbish, i've done my fair share of PvP, so I'm not your average Joe Wammo. I'm sure I would do reasonably well in any GvG match (as long as it's not top tier) as long as I would know the ropes a bit. Don't hold me for a moron that's talking out of his rear please, I try to do my best not to talk about stuff that I don't know about already.

DutchSmurf · Oct 05, 2007, 10:39 AM // 10:39

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Originally Posted by RhanoctJocosa

3 minutes is ridiculous, get a clue.

3/4 minutes is more then enough. Can't see why you would need more. You might not get the chance to kill them all in that time, but that means you can just ignore the runner or tank that thinks he is funny. But I'm sure you can explain your point a bit further then you just did...

There is just no reason why the hex should effect all pvp, except GvG. That just doesn't make sense. You should be punished if you get it, so I would make playing pve impossible too. All that is needed, is a lower time limit.

Bankai · Oct 05, 2007, 10:45 AM // 10:45

The difference between GvG and every other type of PvP (bar AB, but AB is horrible) is that there is another layer of skill added. Tactics. And positioning. And splitting.

DreamRunner · Oct 05, 2007, 10:49 AM // 10:49

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Originally Posted by bungusmaximus

Don't talk rubbish, i've done my fair share of PvP, so I'm not your average Joe Wammo. I'm sure I would do reasonably well in any GvG match (as long as it's not top tier) as long as I would know the ropes a bit. Don't hold me for a moron that's talking out of his rear please, I try to do my best not to talk about stuff that I don't know about already.

Ah, and I assume you(an anonymous person I have never played with) have done a good amount of pvp experience but never done GvG? It just doesn't fit. But anyone could say they have done their fair share of experiencing PvP, and that fact gvg is very different to other forms of PvP, especially from stuff like RA!

My point before wasn't really a jab at you personally, it was more to the majority of players that pve voicing their opinion on something that don't even do!

bungusmaximus · Oct 05, 2007, 11:01 AM // 11:01

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Originally Posted by DreamRunner

My point before wasn't really a jab at you personally, it was more to the majority of players that pve voicing their opinion on something that don't even do!

Agreed wholeheartedly with that, you're always 100 times better off with someone who knows his limitations. PvE and PvP crowd trolling eachother in almost every thread about skill balance is a good example of that.

If I would know everything I wouldn't be on a forum in the first place.

Traveller · Oct 05, 2007, 01:07 PM // 13:07

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

You fail to read through the numerous posts stating the issues. Either that or basic logic.

Not at all. If you don't leech or ragequit, you are not awarded with dishonor points. That screams "basic logic" to me.

Mithie · Oct 05, 2007, 02:19 PM // 14:19

The solution to this problem is really, really simple: allow you to still enter GVGs with the dishonor hex.

moko · Oct 05, 2007, 04:29 PM // 16:29

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Originally Posted by Mithie

The solution to this problem is really, really simple: allow you to still enter GVGs with the dishonor hex.

so i can grief in RA and annoy idiots and still have my own fun in GvG?

i fully agree!

solution: don't go RA if you know there is a gvg coming on, there's stuff called schedules. if you want to go to RA between a match to kill time then that's your own goddamn stupidity. why don't you just go observe?

BlackSephir · Oct 05, 2007, 05:26 PM // 17:26

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Originally Posted by Mithie

The solution to this problem is really, really simple: allow you to still enter GVGs with the dishonor hex.

I have even better idea- make dishonorable hex do nothing!

Shmanka · Oct 05, 2007, 05:36 PM // 17:36

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

Plus, I love to see someone leaving RA to go GvG but finding out that they just got the dishonorable hex and that their team has to wait 10 min for it to wear off. (sarcasm at works here)

I tried suiciding in the jade like 4 times this one match, somehow our team still won I just couldn't leave. I'm about to pull my cable modem everytime I want to rage now.

Ulterion · Oct 05, 2007, 07:09 PM // 19:09

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Originally Posted by Shmanka

I tried suiciding in the jade like 4 times this one match, somehow our team still won I just couldn't leave. I'm about to pull my cable modem everytime I want to rage now.

lol I feel your pain. It's not right to pull the freedoms of the gwars community and making them waste their time. Somehow, people still seem to LIKE being forced to stay and die, followed by insults about how newbish you are and how pro the opposing team is by beating on them and winning just because they had a monk and decent players and we didn't. That's Bull!

=HT=Ingram · Oct 05, 2007, 09:11 PM // 21:11

the point is this system is working. RA is actually playable again... So the people that used to get off on making others loose all the time by leaving the game are either not allowed to play for a while or are not doing it. Well its progress...

Div · Oct 05, 2007, 09:24 PM // 21:24

To everyone who says this system is fine because it solves the leaver problem in RA and makes it playable:

If I made it so that whenever you leave any RA/AB/FA match, you get banned from the game for a day, I'm pretty sure that'll solve the problem too. To more effectiveness than right now, but there are obvious problems with it.

I agree that it's unfair to your team to leave a match in RA, but how is that different from purposely tossing a match because you have to leave? Plus, I have yet to see a good response to my example where you need a guest soon and they're in RA.

BlackSephir · Oct 05, 2007, 09:29 PM // 21:29

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

If I made it so that whenever you leave any RA/AB/FA match, you get banned from the game for a day,

/signed
Why go to RA if you're going to play GvG soon?

Despozblehero · Oct 05, 2007, 10:25 PM // 22:25

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

Plus, I have yet to see a good response to my example where you need a guest soon and they're in RA.

That person in RA could very politely say "Sorry team I have to go GvG, hate to have to leave you all like this." I'd expect that most of the time at least 1 person on the team wont report you. If it, on the off-chance, did become a problem make the hex not apply to AT's.

DutchSmurf · Oct 05, 2007, 10:34 PM // 22:34

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

Plus, I have yet to see a good response to my example where you need a guest soon and they're in RA.

If your guest has been playing like he should (so 0 points at the moment) he can just leave the match and go gvg, no problems there. If you want to avoid getting reported, well, it isn't that hard to just say to your team your guild is asking you to come gvg and you have to leave. And even then, most matches don't take that long in RA, so you can easily leave after a game. Basically, be a nice guy, communicate and go gvg.

=HT=Ingram · Oct 07, 2007, 10:16 AM // 10:16

Dont over exaggerate. your not banned from the game for a day. Your not banned at all in fact. Your just not allowed to play in RA for a Short time period on first few offenses. if it becomes a repeat offense well hey you deserve to not play in PvP for a while till you figure out thats not a cool thing to do. This does nothing to detract from PvE game experience.

And if your in such demand in other things, Maybe you should not be playing in RA. Cause your so mister popular that your time is more important then everyone else's in the Random Arenas so you should be allowed to Screw over everyone else playing to cater to your whim, everyone else be dammed. If you are not wanting to play, then don't waste OUR time with Leaving the match. just don't bother coming in. There is a significant difference from a loss of connection and a person just going in to Screw with the people in RA and purposely make others experience a poor one. Some people just get off on making people miserable. we get. But don't expect people to take pity on you for your doing it and getting your butt kicked out of PvP for it.

And Finally Come on. If your friend can not wait 5 to 10 mins for a match to be over, then Sorry thats not a person I would want to be playing with anyhow.

Vaga · Oct 07, 2007, 11:20 AM // 11:20

how many times do you need to leave before it even takes effect? I still leave RA teams a reasonable amount and I haven't gotten this hex.

zola · Oct 07, 2007, 01:54 PM // 13:54

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

/signed
Why go to RA if you're going to play GvG soon?

I used to do that quite a lot. Actually whenever I played another toon and needed to get used to the keyboard layout again.

Besides, infusing the wamo is fun.

Kanyatta · Oct 07, 2007, 06:33 PM // 18:33

back when you could report (i dont know, can you still report? i havent tried) but you could find out who you were facing in an automated tourney, and just say "hey, lets all report the opposing team's monk" and he couldnt pvp for 10 minutes, and they'd have to forfeit, or get a new monk