Curse

Regulus X · Oct 31, 2007, 01:30 AM // 01:30

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Originally Posted by Riotgear

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Double-click Random Arenas icon.
If necessary, download porn or make sandwich while waiting for hex to expire.
Resume.

I, for one, am not a man that likes to settle for something less. Those minutes downloading porn could've been used for winning glad points. Lemme guess... You don't care for gladiator point farming, huh? I, however, care to earn that title for my own pleasure and accomplishment.

-Conformity is for the birds.-

raddaman · Oct 31, 2007, 02:11 AM // 02:11

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Originally Posted by Regulus X

gladiator point farming... title ...accomplishment.

-Conformity is for the birds.-

xD. Anyway, there isn't much of an accomplishment from killing runners and PvErs. If anything Team Arenas has more of a chance of winning and you face people who actually planned out their teams. *cough*. Random Arenas is a place to keep playing without the hassle of finding a team. Nothing more. A title based on luck isn't that great.

Vazze · Oct 31, 2007, 02:33 AM // 02:33

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Originally Posted by Regulus X

I, for one, am not a man that likes to settle for something less. Those minutes downloading porn could've been used for winning glad points. Lemme guess... You don't care for gladiator point farming, huh? I, however, care to earn that title for my own pleasure and accomplishment.

-Conformity is for the birds.-

for rank=1 to 5 if pleasure(porn) > accomplishment(glad points) then leave(RA)

yum · Oct 31, 2007, 06:20 AM // 06:20

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Originally Posted by Regulus X

I, however, care to earn that title for my own pleasure and accomplishment.

-Conformity is for the birds.-

Watch more porn, I guess?

anonymous · Oct 31, 2007, 06:22 AM // 06:22

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Originally Posted by erk

I am suggesting optimal bars for RA, not suboptimal, get your value judgments relative to the topic, not referenced to some other form of PvP. The anti leaver change has reduced the probability of encountering a quitter "organized" team on your side and the opponents. That change of probability should be dealt with pre game by selecting a more appropriate bar, not just ignored by those the pine for the "good old days".

Sorry, but dropping 3 skills that would keep your team alive on a cramped monk bar for one of the worst damage lines in the game and a rez that you wouldn't need if you were going to win the match anyway.

Yeah it is different in an organized team where you can communicate and correct your mistake as a team, but in RA it is you, alone, and if you can't correct the mistake by time 3 sigs are used, you probably won't correct it before you lose.

If I saw a monk that was healing the team start tossing out banish and bane sig, I would stop healing so the match would end and I could leave. If you run 2 skills that do around 100 damage every 17 seconds, I'm going to leave. You might as well just wand the target and save 2 skill slots and the attributes. All you can do is hope you team has damage, if not you lose and go back in.

Thats the same reason warriors and sins don't bring healing. The run a bar good at what they are supposed to do, killing. The hope for a monk and if they don't get one they lose and go back in. Sure, you might lose a couple times before you get a monk, but when you do get a monk you have a decent bar that can actually kill something. I would laugh if I saw a sin that had half a combo because he needed to fit healing skills in.

Yes, I will leave, they might think I'm ruining their experience but they are also ruining mine by not knowing what works, and instead of looking up something proven to work, they just throw 8 random skills on and click enter. I have nothing against people being new to the game, but when they are new and don't even attempt to be good is when I leave. Learn the game with cookie-cutters, once you actually know what you are doing then make your own build.

Yeah you might say I have to deal with the randomness that is bad players, well everyone else should have to deal with the randomness that is people that stop playing when bad players are on their team. It is random arena after all.

Skye Marin · Oct 31, 2007, 06:59 AM // 06:59

To put it simply, chat logs are recorded, but actions, movements, and 'intentions' are not. No poof, no foul.

You are free to quit a match once every hour. Not especially draconian. Worst case scenario, convince your team to /resign, or make a sandwich.

Life is too short to waste it on griefers. If they are on your team, quit and try again. If you feel they are taking up a large share of the metagame as opponents, take some counters. Slapping a Gaze of Contempt or snare on your bar can do wonders.

Isileth · Oct 31, 2007, 07:27 AM // 07:27

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Originally Posted by anonymous

Yes, I will leave, they might think I'm ruining their experience but they are also ruining mine by not knowing what works, and instead of looking up something proven to work, they just throw 8 random skills on and click enter.

Welcome to RANDOM Arenas.

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Originally Posted by anonymous

Yeah you might say I have to deal with the randomness that is bad players, well everyone else should have to deal with the randomness that is people that stop playing when bad players are on their team. It is random arena after all.

The difference is you will leave if you dont get what you want. You dont want a random team.

These people with random skill levels are going in to play a random game. If they dont get an amazing team do you know what they do? They carry on playing. They want a random team, hence the reason they went to RA.

If you do not want a random team, do not go to RA.

RA is not serious PvP. Its a place where people can take new builds in to test them or just to relax without having to really concentrate on what they are doing.

Again, if you do not want a random team then RA isnt for you.
If you want to have a set team then RA isnt for you.

anonymous · Oct 31, 2007, 08:00 AM // 08:00

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Originally Posted by Isileth

Welcome to RANDOM Arenas.

The difference is you will leave if you dont get what you want. You dont want a random team.

These people with random skill levels are going in to play a random game. If they dont get an amazing team do you know what they do? They carry on playing. They want a random team, hence the reason they went to RA.

If you do not want a random team, do not go to RA.

RA is not serious PvP. Its a place where people can take new builds in to test them or just to relax without having to really concentrate on what they are doing.

Again, if you do not want a random team then RA isnt for you.
If you want to have a set team then RA isnt for you.

Why isn't someone not willing to play with bad players just as random as bad players themselves? My problem is with the double standard here, and that was the reason I made the post in the first place. I am told to accept bad players that don't take it seriously, why don't you tell people to accept players that don't appreciate the people that don't even try?

Sometimes I don't have the time to make a group, thats why I go to RA, that doesn't mean I have to drop all standards of acceptance.

Isileth · Oct 31, 2007, 08:18 AM // 08:18

Perhaps you arent quite understanding what random is.

If you join RA you will get 3 other random players. Now that means you could get teamed up with the worst players you can imagine, you could also get teamed up with 3 great players who just happen to be running builds that work together.

If you go to RA that is what you get. You know that is what will happen when you join. To then leave because you got poor players or no monk is completely against the idea of RA.

When you leave, you ruin it for 3 others who actually wanted to play RA, hence the reason they went to RA.

You dont want to play RA. Because you dont want a random team. But unfortunately for you that is what RA is. Random. You will get a random team.

Thats also why we have TA.

You cant compare someone who leaves to someone who isnt any good. The person who isnt any good is at least playing. He also isnt ruining it for his team.

Do you know why he isnt? Because its RA. People who go to RA get random teams.

I just cant stress the point enough (Hopefully you will spot it sometime soon).

RA is RANDOM. Random players with random builds. Thats whats meant to happen.

4 random players v 4 random players. The key part here however is they join and then play.

Its not about leaving until you land on a perfect team. That ruins it for others.

And once more just for luck.

RA is random. If you do not want a random team do not go to RA.

And yes if you go to RA you do have to drop all standards of acceptance.

Reverend Dr · Oct 31, 2007, 07:52 PM // 19:52

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Originally Posted by Isileth

Perhaps you arent quite understanding what random is.

Your general attitude to this whole situation, I feel can best be summed up in the biting ironic sarcasm of, "I GUESS THAT'S WHY THEY CALL IT RANDOM ROFL"

Leaving it your way, will always make RA shit.

Leavers made the terrible RA matches, the ones with teams that stand no chance of winning more than one or two matches, end quickly. One will go through many more matches much faster, even if they themselves do not leave. This allows for the cycling of teams much quicker, faster, easier playing, more matches in shorter periods of time. If you liked the terrible matches and lived for those, you still had you pick of them before, now you are just forced into them.

You also make the false assumption that everyone else that plays RA has the exact same attitude and mindset that you do, when it should be pretty obvious that they do not. I would much rather have a leaver than a bad player. At least with a leaver I don't have to juggle whether or not to waste (yes waste) a rez sig on them. If someone leaves you can already call this team defunkt and go get a new team right away instead of waiting until the match is over. The bad players almost always ruin it for their team. Does running in against rit campers ring a bell?

There is no reason to drop standards of acceptance for RA. Once upon a time if you watched you could actualy learn a thing or two about PvP from RA. Now that is just really not the case. RA was never really good mind you, but it used to be a hell of a lot better than it currently is.

This has been said before, but I'll reiterate: The problem is not with the leavers, but with the game design that encourages leavers.

One may say that the dishonorable system now makes it where it doesn't encourage leavers, but that is untrue. The game design itself has not changed in the slightest, the dishonorable system is a bandaid that merely covers up the problems and does nothing to address the problems themsevles.

Shuuda · Oct 31, 2007, 10:03 PM // 22:03

The problem with the system is that it's not flexible enough, it punishes leavers, without considering the acceptable reasons. Personally I wish that the system would not punish you if:

-Someone has already left (so it will punish the 1st leaver)
-If someone does not connect to the match after 1 minute.
-if 3/4 on your team are dead (so if you have a runing griefer, you don't have to wait for his retardedness to end)
-Dishonor will only apply in the form of PvP you got it from.

Conditions like these really need to be added, so that certain people won't suffer when they shouldn't.

erk · Nov 01, 2007, 12:50 AM // 00:50

I noticed today a little bug, we were in a slow game too many healers on either side, it was the last 30sec of the game and one of our team said sorry I gtg and left. We were way ahead on morale they had had 4 deaths we had 1 and we lost the game when the timer hit zero. I assume it was because a player left our team! That seems a bit odd.

anonymous · Nov 01, 2007, 05:35 AM // 05:35

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Originally Posted by Isileth

And yes if you go to RA you do have to drop all standards of acceptance.

No I don't.

Whatever, I give up, I'm tired of arguing against a double standard. Getting a leaver on your team is just as random as getting a bad player. I don't leave because I don't have a perfect team, I leave because I have an absolutely horrible team that has no chance of winning, either that or an ele (just for example) that runs only flare and when I say he should switch to a stronger bar with more than just flare I get "f u". Those are the bad players I am talking about.

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Originally Posted by Reverend Dr

You also make the false assumption that everyone else that plays RA has the exact same attitude and mindset that you do, when it should be pretty obvious that they do not.

Exactly. Who are you, Isileth, to decide what ruins a game for me? You can't state that they did not ruin the game when in fact, for me, they did.

Isileth · Nov 01, 2007, 10:25 AM // 10:25

The point im trying to get at is imagine if I started a thread saying GvG was ruined for me because it has a guild lord in it. Or that teams have 8 players.

That would be pretty stupid right? Because thats how GvG works.

When you change the very core of an area like that, it becomes something different. If you changed RA in a way that removes the complete randomness, it is no longer RA.

Im not saying you have to enjoy how it is now, if for example it was changed however I could only imagine it would require an extra PvP arena simply because it is such a core change.

Now if you change the randomness of RA, isnt it TA then? The moment teams arent random it is no longer RA.

And as for leaving being ok, if you leave in GvG because the enemy isnt running a build you can easily beat is that ok? No you lose rating.

If you leave in HA? Again you get punished by having to start from the beggining.

Why should it be ok to leave in RA? Yes I know its low level and for messing around but still there are 3 other people who by leaving you screw over.

Take the GvG example, you know you will face a random team.
In RA you know you will have a random team.

Just because what you get landed with doesnt suit you means its ok to leave?

It is as simple as if you dont want a random team, dont play RA.
The randomness of RA will never be removed simply because it wouldnt be RA anymore.

Im not saying these players dont annoy you, but you know you could be on their team. You take that risk when you play RA. Thats a built in part of RA, its meant to be like that.

Leaving till you get a good team isnt, hence the reason Anet made the change.

I just dont understand how you can reason its ok to leave because some players arent up to your standards in a Random Arena. Thats the point of it, you land on a team of random skill level and then do your best to try and win.

Although I would /sign a petition if you want an arena where you leave and join until you land on a decent team and when that happens you instantly get 10 wins.

Wolala Wagaga · Nov 01, 2007, 11:26 AM // 11:26

good post Isileth.

moko · Nov 01, 2007, 11:31 AM // 11:31

i'm closing this -- there's no new aspects being posted in here, and stubborn farmer that don't get the point of Random Arenas don't learn either.

if Andrew wants me to re-open this for more discussions, feel free to, but as this is relaly useless now, it's going down.

Erk:

please post in this thread, i think it deals with the same problem.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10212489

have a nice day, enjoy whining about RA, and please fix the issues that have been explained in this topic a couple of times ArenaNet.