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Old Oct 08, 2007, 04:24 PM // 16:24   #21
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There are two problems with the ladder.

a) inactive guilds
b) smurf guilds


o wait, old ladder had that sytem too, well there goes that idea
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Old Oct 08, 2007, 05:10 PM // 17:10   #22
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Much like real life, one has to be either the screwer or the screwee, imho.
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Old Oct 08, 2007, 09:34 PM // 21:34   #23
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There are two problems with the ladder.

a) inactive guilds
b) smurf guilds


o wait, old ladder had that sytem too, well there goes that idea
Except the old ladder had ways to get rid of inactive guilds, in this ladder if a guild gets a high enough rating they can chill at high ranks for months.
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Old Oct 09, 2007, 04:04 AM // 04:04   #24
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To above poster: Never laugh at your own jokes. Never.

On-Topic: I believe about 20% of the guilds in ladder are disbanded/sitting in high ranks/inactive. 40% is just filled with gimmickers who fail at gimmicks. 40% is filled with good players.

Anyone who has a more accurate statistic may correct me.
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Old Oct 09, 2007, 05:25 AM // 05:25   #25
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On-Topic: I believe about 20% of the guilds in ladder are disbanded/sitting in high ranks/inactive.
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Conting over the 100-top guilds 36 are inactive (6/oct/07). Other people counted all 1000 guilds and their number were more or less 430 guilds are active (5/oct/07), meaning that 57% of the guilds in the ladder are inactive (15 days or more).
Statistics from http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User_...er_than_resets
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Old Oct 09, 2007, 06:11 AM // 06:11   #26
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Thank you for that factual correction.
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Old Oct 09, 2007, 07:11 AM // 07:11   #27
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The ladder needs to be reset to flush out inactive guilds, period.
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Old Oct 09, 2007, 07:59 AM // 07:59   #28
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I agree with that.. like say guild who doesn't gvg for like 2 months=gone from ladder or something...
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Old Oct 09, 2007, 12:17 PM // 12:17   #29
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I agree with that.. like say guild who doesn't gvg for like 2 months=gone from ladder or something...
I agree most with the hiding of an inactive guild, still being fair to that guild but also opening room for other more active guilds.
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Old Oct 09, 2007, 05:30 PM // 17:30   #30
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Resetting the ladder after every monthly tournament makes a lot of sense, tbh. It would really encourage AT play, and also good AT play. What a regular reset wouldn't encourage is smurfs or champ-farming nonsense.

Of course, then, there would have to be a re-working of the champion title.
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Old Oct 09, 2007, 09:39 PM // 21:39   #31
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Resetting the ladder after every monthly tournament makes a lot of sense, tbh. It would really encourage AT play, and also good AT play. What a regular reset wouldn't encourage is smurfs or champ-farming nonsense.

Of course, then, there would have to be a re-working of the champion title.
If they made the champ title affected by AT wins, there wouldn't be as many smurf guilds taking up ladder space.
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Old Oct 09, 2007, 10:44 PM // 22:44   #32
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To above poster: Never laugh at your own jokes. Never.

On-Topic: I believe about 20% of the guilds in ladder are disbanded/sitting in high ranks/inactive. 40% is just filled with gimmickers who fail at gimmicks. 40% is filled with good players.

Anyone who has a more accurate statistic may correct me.
I'm not going by looking at any type of play over a 2 week period, but by just counting the number of top 100 teams with QP (aka they've played in an AT after the monthly), there were only 36.
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Old Oct 10, 2007, 12:33 AM // 00:33   #33
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If they made the champ title affected by AT wins, there wouldn't be as many smurf guilds taking up ladder space.
Yeah there would be.
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Old Oct 10, 2007, 12:55 AM // 00:55   #34
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If they made the champ title affected by AT wins, there wouldn't be as many smurf guilds taking up ladder space.
Yes because champ points should be awarded from winning by forefit... /end sarcasm
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Old Oct 10, 2007, 01:00 AM // 01:00   #35
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Yes because champ points should be awarded from winning by forefit... /end sarcasm
I meant that champ points should be given in the final rounds of AT's. Forgetting to type words ftl.
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Old Oct 10, 2007, 01:47 AM // 01:47   #36
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I meant that champ points should be given in the final rounds of AT's. Forgetting to type words ftl.
Still don't see how that would stop smurfs
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Old Oct 10, 2007, 04:31 AM // 04:31   #37
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Resetting the ladder after every monthly tournament makes a lot of sense, tbh. It would really encourage AT play, and also good AT play. What a regular reset wouldn't encourage is smurfs or champ-farming nonsense.

Of course, then, there would have to be a re-working of the champion title.
That is like the old ladder system, only with faster cycles and thus enlarging the downsides that system had.

The system of an ELO rating works better over increased timeperiods, which gives a more accurate position on the ladder for the guilds. Resetting the full ladder doesn't help.

The other made suggestions from previous posters make more sense.
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Old Oct 10, 2007, 07:19 AM // 07:19   #38
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A simple solution would be preserving a guild's rating, while disabling their ladder rank after a month of inactivity. If they GvGed again, they'd immediately return to their old ladder rank, but inactive guilds wouldn't be taking up ladder spots.

The number of inactive guilds on the ladder has gotten pretty ridiculous. A simple system to deal with them would create more accurate rankings across the entire ladder, not just the top 100.
Personally, I like this solution best. I really dislike the amount of inactive top 100 guilds on the ladder. Not because my guild can't get there (it has), but because if all the top 100 guilds are inactive, obs mode is just dumb.

Also increase the number of matches on obs mode please, especially for ATs. Tired of only getting to obs the last round matches of the ATs.
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Old Oct 10, 2007, 08:02 AM // 08:02   #39
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Also increase the number of matches on obs mode please, especially for ATs. Tired of only getting to obs the last round matches of the ATs.
Especially for monthly, at least show an entire round of battles. It's completely retarded that 40 top 100 guilds play and only 4 games are shown on TV.
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Old Oct 10, 2007, 10:22 AM // 10:22   #40
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The situation at the low end of the ladder is even worse. Out of the last 20 in the ladder only 6 are active, and of those only 2 guilds played more than twice in the last month.

Also this tread is not so new:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10135693
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