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BlackEagle · Nov 25, 2007, 01:34 PM // 13:34

Stunning Strike can be good, but its high adrenaline cost is dodgy as is the fact it requires a condition. That means unless you have an awful lot of conditions, it's going to be uncovered so easily removed. Outside of 3-2-1 spiking on monks, it's not that great. (Because that's what cruel spear does anyway) Also the fact that cruel spear is a definite DW, as it's bugged so that it always inflicts a DW even if dodged/blocked/you're blind is pretty cool (Unless they changed it)

samcobra · Nov 25, 2007, 10:37 PM // 22:37

Stunning strike is just slightly better than skull crack. Also, dazed being the last in a stack is kinda pointless. It will just get dismissed/ RC-ed.

TheOneMephisto · Nov 25, 2007, 11:02 PM // 23:02

Deep wound is the strongest condition in the game.

JR · Nov 26, 2007, 04:04 AM // 04:04

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Originally Posted by TheOneMephisto

Deep wound is the strongest condition in the game.

I'd say Dazed is far stronger, it's just much more difficult to apply.

Bankai · Nov 26, 2007, 06:55 AM // 06:55

Daze is usually on for a much shorter time though, so it's harder to use it to your advantage as it doesn't help a whole lot on spikes.

Byron · Nov 26, 2007, 03:43 PM // 15:43

I'd say that they are far different conditions and trying to decide which is "stronger" is pointless.

xhappy feetx · Nov 26, 2007, 05:15 PM // 17:15

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Originally Posted by Paulooze

What about Stunning Strike? <3
Stunning Strike>Cruel Spear

Everyone else on this forum>You

TheOneMephisto · Nov 26, 2007, 10:13 PM // 22:13

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Originally Posted by JR

I'd say Dazed is far stronger, it's just much more difficult to apply.

I don't know. Dazed really requires the ability to stick for an amount of time in order to work, as you really need some time in order to take advantage of it. Deepwound instantly takes effect along with being extremely powerful, and, as you said, it's much easier to apply, especially when you actually need it.

Of course, I might change my mind if a practical way of applying dazed actually existed, as my argument might be skewed as all the applications of dazed are really bad and/or predictable.

Grinch123456 · Nov 26, 2007, 11:17 PM // 23:17

Expel Hexes is the best Paragon elite.

Legendary Shiz · Nov 26, 2007, 11:50 PM // 23:50

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Originally Posted by Grinch123456

Expel Hexes is the best Paragon elite.

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xhappy feetx · Nov 27, 2007, 12:54 AM // 00:54

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Originally Posted by Grinch123456

Expel Hexes is the best Paragon elite.

You have succeeded in making me QQ....

Phe Belladona · Nov 27, 2007, 01:23 AM // 01:23

P/Me get on my tits... mesmer camping bastards -.-

and stunning strike is easy to apply (anthem flame -> stunning) but cruel is just so much more annoying in a regular setup with warriors thats 3 things pumping out deep wound ... scary stuff

Melody Cross · Nov 27, 2007, 04:50 AM // 04:50

@OP: they provide defense and pressure, passive buffs, but to a lesser degree than they did. Mostly, they're heavily armored midline that require little maintenance from the backline to stay alive.

The Dazed vs Deep Wound argument is kinda funny. Both are powerful when used right, a waste of a slot when used wrong.

BTW...Did I miss an update? when did watch yourself make you lose your adrenaline?0.o

Yue · Nov 27, 2007, 07:51 AM // 07:51

Vicious+cruel spear is pretty win.

IMMORTAlMITCH · Nov 27, 2007, 11:05 AM // 11:05

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Originally Posted by Melody Cross

BTW...Did I miss an update? when did watch yourself make you lose your adrenaline?0.o

You lose 1 strike of adrenaline towards all your other adrenaline skills when you use an adrenaline skill ;o

xhappy feetx · Nov 27, 2007, 01:59 PM // 13:59

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Originally Posted by Yue

Vicious+cruel spear is pretty win.

Yea, I find it the most powerful of any midline spike capability, and I'll take it from the guy who plays it for DF... congratz last month btw...

Brian the Gladiator · Nov 29, 2007, 07:21 PM // 19:21

I actually posted the answer to you question in the PvE section of these forums a few days ago. The question that thread was how paragons were being utilized in PvP play. This is what my answer was:

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Originally Posted by Brian the Gladiator

In PvP, paragons are used as Damage/Support classes. paragons offer defense, shutdown, and damage depending on the build you use.

Example of popular paragon builds in pvp:

[skill]Cruel Spear[/skill][skill]Spear of Lightning[/skill][skill]Power spike[/skill][skill]"go for the eyes!"[/skill][skill]mirror of disenchantment[/skill][skill]anthem of flame[/skill][skill]aggressive refrain[/skill][skill]resurrection signet[/skill]

[skill]Cruel Spear[/skill][skill]Spear of Lightning[/skill][skill]Harrier's Toss[/skill][skill]"Watch Yourself!"[/skill][skill]"Shields Up!"[/skill][skill]anthem of flame[/skill][skill]aggressive refrain[/skill][skill]resurrection signet[/skill]

[skill]Spear of Lightning[/skill][skill]Wild Throw[/skill][skill]"Watch Yourself!"[/skill][skill]"shields up!"[/skill][skill]Defensive Anthem[/skill][skill]anthem of flame[/skill][skill]aggressive refrain[/skill][skill]Resurrection signet[/skill]

As you can see, some of the same skills are used in all three of these builds. The reason behind this is simple, they are very good. Aggressive Refrain is in every single one of these bars because it is the best IAS (increase attack speed) in the game. It is generally fueled by Anthem of Flame although some people will switch Anthem of Weariness in instead. Spear of Lightning is arguably the best non-elite attack skill for a paragon, so it is used in most builds. Usually a paragon will bring at least one shout or chant that is adrenaline based. This is because it can be used as energy management, due to Leadership's inherent ability.

Warrior is a common secondary profession for a paragon, not only because warriors have some great shouts, but because it allows the paragon to switch from using the standard motivation or command shield, to using a tactics shield. Whenever you play a paragon with warrior shouts, make sure you used at least 9 in tactics so that you can meet the requirement of the tactics shield you will be carrying. There are other paragon elites that are also very good but Cruel Spear and Defensive Anthem are used the most by far. If you would like to try some others, Crippling anthem is my non-meta favorite, so you should try it out!

I hope this helps you understand some of the roles of paragon in today's pvp game.

I hope this helps!

DarkNecrid · Nov 29, 2007, 07:24 PM // 19:24

Being broken is their current role.

Except its been their role for like, since NF came out.

Thomas.knbk · Nov 29, 2007, 09:23 PM // 21:23

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Originally Posted by Yue

Vicious+cruel spear is pretty win.

I can't tell if you're serious or not.

Skuld · Nov 29, 2007, 09:54 PM // 21:54

Why wouldn't it be serious? Twice the deep wound.