Curse

Martin Alvito · Jan 05, 2008, 01:42 AM // 01:42

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Originally Posted by Ensign

You can try to compare numbers that way but it doesn't work out very well, as the characters play much differently; HB Monks with GLE spotheal with Kiss or Ethereal Light to set up big Parties, and use Heal Other for emergencies; HB Monks tend to channel tank and spam Orison of Healing to benefit from the Channeling (and very likely need the Infuse over Heal Other because their skill usage is so much sloppier). The latter has to make up for vastly inferior skill usage with raw valume, not only from himself but from the Prot Monk as well.

The error I feel you are making here is equating placing Channeling on one's bar with immediately forgetting how to play properly. Channeling doesn't necessitate *Orison* spam in order to be effective, but it does require a lot more clicks. So you reduce your usage of Party to 3-4 uses per minute and use your 5 CC's much more frequently, true. But it's not like you (should) stop clicking Party entirely in any event, or attempt to use your 5 CC's to substitute for Party.

Further, if you're using Infuse as your power heal (rather than Other), you are indeed creating the energy inefficiencies that you describe to the degree that it takes a lot more than 40/minute to come out ahead of GoLE. But, if you're using Infuse on a HB monk, you failed before the match started. While a lot of people in this thread may prefer Infuse on their HB bar, a lot of people in this thread also don't understand maximization problems. Nor how and why to apply mathematics to improving their GW play. That problem is beyond the scope of the discussion; the argument that choosing Channeling necessitates the usage of Infuse on one's bar, resulting in the noted inefficiencies, won't hold water.

As for the variability of Channeling energy gain argument posted by others: look, distributions have means and standard deviations. Further, the distribution is predictable; you'll get better returns with Channeling against some types of teams than others. Ex: Channeling will help a lot more against zerg than against spike. Ask yourself: do you need the extra energy more vs. zerg than spike, or is it the other way around? This helps you in picking which skill is better, given the current meta.

6am3 Fana71c · Jan 05, 2008, 01:48 AM // 01:48

Somebody needs to calm down. *cough*
And rest of you should go back to topic. I thought this was about channeling? Oh wait-

Doji · Jan 05, 2008, 04:38 AM // 04:38

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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

Ex: Channeling will help a lot more against zerg than against spike. Ask yourself: do you need the extra energy more vs. zerg than spike

Glyph is better vs zerg and caster spike, but I suppose you're statement is sort of correct. Channeling does see better numbers vs zerg rather then caster spike.

Ensign · Jan 05, 2008, 05:00 AM // 05:00

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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

"1. without exception; completely; wholly; entirely: You are absolutely right.".

'If you are running a Healer's Boon Monk and are not making use of Heal Party, you should run Glimmer of Light instead, because it is better. In fact it is ABSOLUTELY better. Presented the choice between the two, you should ABSOLUTELY run the Glimmer Monk. However I cannot say that if you're running a Healer's Boon Monk, you should absolutely run a Glimmer of Light Monk instead, because there are grammar nazis present who are quick to strip all context out of a statement to better slap it around with their dictionary.

Is that fair? Can we move on now?

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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

The error I feel you are making here is equating placing Channeling on one's bar with immediately forgetting how to play properly.

It is impossible to play a Healer's Boon Monk with Channeling in a way that more than casually resembles the way a Healer's Boon Monk plays 'normally'. The character normally is hooked onto Glyph of Lesser Energy to power the Heal Parties, which you can't duplicate without the skill. To make a Channeling HB guy function at all, you *need* to spam 5 energy heals under Channeling. It's a forced playstyle difference that is much less efficient that you need to make up by rocking the Channeling; it's not 'forgetting how to play', it's an entirely different character.

Yichi · Jan 05, 2008, 08:01 AM // 08:01

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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

random bullshit

Do you even read whats posted or just troll to make yourself think ur good?

Ensign never said WoH wasn't Viable. He said that if you're going to just be spamming orison on a HB bar, that it might as well be a glimmer monk.

Reading comprehension > you

Sha Noran · Jan 05, 2008, 10:07 AM // 10:07

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

I love how you talk about his reading comprehension, but didn't you get owned earlier?

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Originally Posted by Sha Noran

And he's not going to make any friends, either, if you managed to convince him that Infuse Health is a bad skill with your horribly wrong argument regarding why it's bad... which it isn't.

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Originally Posted by Ensign

The comments on Infuse vs Heal Other are exclusively in the context of a Healer's Boon bar. If you do not have Healer's Boon you run Infuse, no question.

.... that would be Ensign agreeing with me. Irony is my favorite type of humor, so thank you for the laugh. =]

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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

Anyway, heal ribbon instead of heal party when having two heroes isn't too shabby xD.

Must... resist... troll... bait...

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Originally Posted by Ensign

Don't argue with idiots. They bring you to their level and beat you with experience.

This is better advice than any of the Monk tips anyone might pick up in this thread.

RhanoctJocosa · Jan 05, 2008, 10:18 AM // 10:18

Channeling makes your energy go up lots.

elektra_lucia · Jan 05, 2008, 11:18 AM // 11:18

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Originally Posted by Yichi

Do you even read whats posted or just troll to make yourself think ur good?

Ensign never said WoH wasn't Viable. He said that if you're going to just be spamming orison on a HB bar, that it might as well be a glimmer monk.

Reading comprehension > you

Wrong. You're wrong, just get over it. I'm not the troll, he is.

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'If you are running a Healer's Boon Monk and are not making use of Heal Party, you should run Glimmer of Light instead, because it is better. In fact it is ABSOLUTELY better. Presented the choice between the two, you should ABSOLUTELY run the Glimmer Monk. However I cannot say that if you're running a Healer's Boon Monk, you should absolutely run a Glimmer of Light Monk instead, because there are grammar nazis present who are quick to strip all context out of a statement to better slap it around with their dictionary.

Is that fair? Can we move on now?

I wasn't being a grammar nazi. At the time of what you wrote I simply didn't understand because your English was poor. Now you've tried to word it in such a way that makes me look like the childish one.

You simply can't just say what you wrote made no sense, you had to imply I'm a grammar nazi. I'm really not.

I did not understand you, it was clarified by the fact I said are you being sarcastic...

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Do you even read whats posted or just troll to make yourself think ur good?

I already know I'm good. Two guys trying to argue with me from a game that are quite probably ten times better than me in game and can't win the argument because they are too stupid to speak their native language correctly.

Good game?

Sha Noran · Jan 05, 2008, 12:40 PM // 12:40

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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

Wrong. You're wrong, just get over it. I'm not the troll, he is.

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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

I wasn't being a grammar nazi. At the time of what you wrote I simply didn't understand because your English was poor. Now you've tried to word it in such a way that makes me look like the childish one.

You simply can't just say what you wrote made no sense, you had to imply I'm a grammar nazi. I'm really not.

I did not understand you, it was clarified by the fact I said are you being sarcastic...

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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

I already know I'm good. Two guys trying to argue with me from a game that are quite probably ten times better than me in game and can't win the argument because they are too stupid to speak their native language correctly.

Good game?

Good game indeed.

RhanoctJocosa · Jan 05, 2008, 01:51 PM // 13:51

lol owned.
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moko · Jan 05, 2008, 01:59 PM // 13:59

...i guess you may stop now.

nothing good is coming out of this thread anymore -- feel free to keep your bitchfight somewhere else.