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Shadowspawn X · Dec 16, 2007, 04:22 AM // 04:22

As a mesmer in HA one of the things you are expected to do when playing the PD role is to interrupt the two wards on the ele when you face the unworthies. Now we all know this is not as easy as it seems because you have to get in range first which can be an issue and also if you are unlucky cast while in malestorm. Now I have a group that I play with they put "make haste" on me and I'm able to run down to the unworthies and interrupt WaH and WoM np. However when pugging this is usually not available and 50% of the time I miss one of the wards which just doesn't look good. I usually have pdrain and PD on my bar unless otherwise requested. Now I have tried to predict the casting order which seems random to me. I have ran in first and the ward goes off before I get in range. I have ran in wielding, spear/shield, no weapon, and staff and noticed no predictable pattern. Also I have run in with pdrain activated and still had WaH go up before I get in range.Any of you HA vets have a sure fire way to stop these two wards every time from going up? Thanks.

Dominator1370 · Dec 16, 2007, 05:17 AM // 05:17

A sure fire way to do anything, anywhere? They're few and far in between. They get fewer and further in between when you start adding people into the mix.

Shadowspawn X · Dec 16, 2007, 05:50 AM // 05:50

Well if there's a mesmer out here knocking out these two wards like clockwork, I'd be interested in knowing their method.

Lord Natural · Dec 16, 2007, 05:55 AM // 05:55

Inform your team you either need a speed boost or a small headstart if they expect harm to get interrupted. If a warrior enrages in, most of the time the ele will cast harm first and you may be out of reach. Ward Melee seems random, which is annoying, but on a mesmer shouldn't be a big problem if you don't get zaishen lag.

blackknight1337 · Dec 16, 2007, 05:31 PM // 17:31

I was maybe a bit lucky, but I hit all 3 spells from the zaishen ele yesterday, pretty easily, no speed boost or headstart. Speed boost does help, but if you are in range its pitifully easy to PD ward against harm, let the ele cast 2 sec of maelstrom, PD that, then immediately after aftercast he hits ward against melee, if you hit PD on recharge you'll get that as well.

The rest is easy. If anyone gets a sig off when you're running PD, your team needs a new PD.

Btw, if your team counts down 321 to hit zaishen, just jump on the 2 or so.

lishi · Dec 16, 2007, 09:01 PM // 21:01

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Originally Posted by Shadowspawn X

As a mesmer in HA one of the things you are expected to do when playing the PD role is to interrupt the two wards on the ele when you face the unworthies. Now we all know this is not as easy as it seems because you have to get in range first which can be an issue and also if you are unlucky cast while in malestorm. Now I have a group that I play with they put "make haste" on me and I'm able to run down to the unworthies and interrupt WaH and WoM np. However when pugging this is usually not available and 50% of the time I miss one of the wards which just doesn't look good. I usually have pdrain and PD on my bar unless otherwise requested. Now I have tried to predict the casting order which seems random to me. I have ran in first and the ward goes off before I get in range. I have ran in wielding, spear/shield, no weapon, and staff and noticed no predictable pattern. Also I have run in with pdrain activated and still had WaH go up before I get in range.Any of you HA vets have a sure fire way to stop these two wards every time from going up? Thanks.

If you play as mesmer you can easy interupt 1 second cast, given you reach him in time, it just take some pratice to reconize the skill before interupting.

Yarly · Dec 17, 2007, 09:16 PM // 21:16

Target the elle, run in first before you're team (Obviously let them know you are going in first). Watch his skills, don't blow off your pd in anticipation of hitting harm because its not always the first skill he uses. But if it is his first skill, chances are you are already in range to interupt it or he wouldn't be using it in the first place. Now if you still can't get it, id go practice interupting a whole lot more or fix your connection.

Ekelon · Dec 19, 2007, 12:16 AM // 00:16

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Originally Posted by Shadowspawn X

As a mesmer in HA one of the things you are expected to do when playing the PD role is to interrupt the two wards on the ele when you face the unworthies. Now we all know this is not as easy as it seems because you have to get in range first which can be an issue and also if you are unlucky cast while in malestorm. Now I have a group that I play with they put "make haste" on me and I'm able to run down to the unworthies and interrupt WaH and WoM np. However when pugging this is usually not available and 50% of the time I miss one of the wards which just doesn't look good. I usually have pdrain and PD on my bar unless otherwise requested. Now I have tried to predict the casting order which seems random to me. I have ran in first and the ward goes off before I get in range. I have ran in wielding, spear/shield, no weapon, and staff and noticed no predictable pattern. Also I have run in with pdrain activated and still had WaH go up before I get in range.Any of you HA vets have a sure fire way to stop these two wards every time from going up? Thanks.

Practice makes perfect. Get used to looking at the icon for ward against melee and ward against harm and i should be no problem.

gof_lynx · Dec 19, 2007, 12:46 AM // 00:46

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Originally Posted by Ekelon

Practice makes perfect. Get used to looking at the icon for ward against melee and ward against harm and i should be no problem.

eKELON is right practice makes perfect. If you are beginning ur mesmer career in ha then the first thing you should do is practice, go out into random pve places and start pding, the first thing most people think when they ob , is how the hell do people catch 1 second cast and sometimes 1/4 second cast, you sometimes just haveto anticipate the enemy. But definetly to not go out and pd spam, it will leave you with no energy and will make you look terrible to people.
The zaishen is quite simple if you have good hand eye cordination, no speed buff is necessary, i mean both wards are like what (I cant remember) but 2 second cast. And i will tell you right now that if you cant pd a 2 second cast skill, you should probably try you odds at another profession, because mesmer is not right for you.

TheOneMephisto · Dec 19, 2007, 01:12 AM // 01:12

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Originally Posted by gof_lynx

The zaishen is quite simple if you have good hand eye cordination, no speed buff is necessary, i mean both wards are like what (I cant remember) but 2 second cast. And i will tell you right now that if you cant pd a 2 second cast skill, you should probably try you odds at another profession, because mesmer is not right for you.

Both wards are a 1-sec cast.

leeky baby · Dec 19, 2007, 01:15 AM // 01:15

u dont need a speed boost, the mesmer normaly does the count in so u r the first to start of the timer and can easily get the 2 wards. Its true if the mesmer misss the wards alot i will noramlly find a new 1!

Yarly · Dec 19, 2007, 11:08 AM // 11:08

If you want to learn to interupt better in general. Play ranger for a bit and get to the point where you can easily interupt a 1 second cast from distance. Then swap back to mesmer and try, it'll be easy.

elektra_lucia · Dec 19, 2007, 02:01 PM // 14:01

I am used to 400 ping. I don't find interrupting 1 second casts difficult. I think that with the restrictions my ISP puts on me and exchange being full or what not (I think it's mostly that my ISP are money grabbing people) I have extremely high ping. For one second casts, I look at the skill - recognise it (so I don't interrupt the wrong one) and just press R (or whatever is interrupt) and voila.

For interrupting spirit bond/rof/infuse and such skills, I pretty much do it by timing of players movement, pattern in their casts, how much damage my team is doing and also pattern in their weapon swaps (none of this is needed for interrupting ward of melee and harm vs zaishen).

With my ISP I not only get high ping but lots of packet loss. I don't tend to bitch about lag because it's so common for players to mess up and blame it on lag...

I will say this though, I had the pleasure of playing with 50 ping. Interrupting woh/rc (from recognising and not needing to time) with d-blow (which is 1/2 not 1/4 like PD) wasn't difficult.

My family doesn't want to change ISP for varius reasons. Things like infusing and interrupting become so much easier with low ping. Besides making your interface easier to see. Just practising. If you do have high ping then it will be difficult.

Thing is though, I do tend to make it worse. I'm English but I sleep at funny hours (work funny hours too). Which means I often end up playing with Americans. When the group is majorly American from what I can tell, it will pick an American server. This then means you can add another 150+ to my ping.

You might want to consider playing with people who are in similar time zone as you and set off from the district which best suits you. E.G. Make the group in international, move to American District 1. Then enter battle.

One second cast should be relatively easy to interrupt even with extreme lag though. So, this post could all be about nothing and you just have to practice (and to push forwards in front of team so you are closest to the elementalist).

jsalvadore1325 · Dec 28, 2007, 09:26 PM // 21:26

In terms of dealing with the random cast order, I find that if you bring Leech signet and power drain along with PD on a bar you'll pretty much always be able to interrupt at least the ward against melee even if you twitch on the elementalist's other skills. The ward against harm on the other hand can be more of a nuisance, either "Make haste" or a head start from the rest of your team is really the only way to handle it.

Ramod · Dec 29, 2007, 01:41 AM // 01:41

Interrupting the zaishen ele's wards as a pd mesmer with 9-10 fast cast is retardly easy. Just make sure you go in before the rest of your team, and only pd the wards and nothing else. Don't pd golesser and have him cast ward when your pd is recharging. Just practice and it should be really easy after awhile, if it still isnt easy after a month, switch professions.

Circus Midget · Dec 29, 2007, 05:53 AM // 05:53

it really shouldn't be that difficult. just make sure you're in range and it really should be a simple interrupt.

Tiyuri · Dec 29, 2007, 08:23 PM // 20:23

Wow, I can't believe you guys are having this discussion, just interrupt them, if you can't do that, stop playing PD mesmer you're bad at it.

God Apprentice · Dec 29, 2007, 09:21 PM // 21:21

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Originally Posted by Tiyuri

Wow, I can't believe you guys are having this discussion, just interrupt them, if you can't do that, stop playing PD mesmer you're bad at it.

What if they want to learn to play PD though?

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Originally Posted by Yarly

If you want to learn to interupt better in general. Play ranger for a bit and get to the point where you can easily interupt a 1 second cast from distance. Then swap back to mesmer and try, it'll be easy.

This is true, I have a friend who was used to interrupting on ranger, so when he rolled a mesmer he said "holy crap it's so easy"

Div · Dec 29, 2007, 09:28 PM // 21:28

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Originally Posted by Shadowspawn X

also if you are unlucky cast while in malestorm.

I laughed. I hurd movement in HA wuz hard.

masta_yoda · Dec 30, 2007, 01:11 PM // 13:11

90% of the time the ele only uses harm if you have eles anyways, and if you had killed zaishen enough you would know his stupid casting order.
His first skill usually is either glyph or a ward, if he is delaying to cast(about 1second) when your in range of him he is gonna ward in which case you probably have eles.

Second scenario is after casting his first skill. He will use a mael or ob flame, (if he casted harm as first he may glyph before ob or mael and after that it is most likely a ward of meelee.

What i just said is for people with usually higher pings like myself, because your chances are low if your just going to wait for the icon.

If your a person with <100 you shouldnt have a problem just waiting to see and hit your interupt, if you want to practice interupting go to gotb, get a ranger or a mesmer practice interupt master of healing and if you get good at interupting his stuff with like 400+ ping, im sure you have no problem.