Originally Posted by Elliott

new hex heavy pressure build for our gvg alternate. welcome to the burning isles!

Lyssa's Dervish(D/A)

Scythe Mastery: 12+2+1
Mysticism: 12+2
Deadly Arts: 3

Avatar of Lyssa
Radiant Scythe
Zealous Sweep
Lyssa's Assualt
Heart of Fury
Dash
Augury of Death
Ressurection Signet

[D/A;Ogej4NpMLTxXcfXgCYibTQuZCAA]

Migraine 1 (Me/Mo)

Illusion Magic: 11+1+1
Fast Casting: 10+1
Inspiration: 10+1
Healing Prayers: 1

Power Return
Migraine
Shrinking Armor
Conjure Phantasm
Signet of Humility
Leech Signet
Mantra of Inscriptions
Resurrection Chant

[Me/Mo;OQNVAyAPy28CqGYwxAsniEID4mANC]

Migraine 2 (Me/Mo)

Illusion Magic: 12+1+1
Inspiration Magic: 10+1
Fast Casting: 9+1

Migraine
Images of Remorse
Shrinking Armor
Frustration
Power Return
Power Drain
Draw Conditions
Ressurection Chant


[Me/Mo;OQNUAyAPy2Q1AfAGgFgOAZACBoRA]

Spiteful Spirit (N/Me)

Curses: 12+1+1
Inspiration: 10
Soul Reaping: 8+1

Power Drain
Spiteful Spirit
Insidious Parasite
Vocal Minority
Defile Defenses
Parasitic Bond
Leech Signet
Ressurection Signet

[N/Me;OAVTMUDeYKDIPYPYuhRcMoHQAA]

Corrupt Enchantment(N/E)

Curses Magic: 12+1+1
Soul Reaping: 9+1
Earth Magic: 9

Corrupt Enchantment
Parasitic Bond
Defile Defenses
Glyph of Lesser Energy
Price of Failure
Faintheartedness
Ward Against Melee
Res Sig

[N/E;OAZTYyDnSSqCZ4M4QYMgREWQAA]

Mo/E

Protection 14 (12+1+1)
Divine Favor 13 (12+1)

Deny Hexes
Dismiss Condition
Reversal of Fortune
Shield of Deflection {E}
Spirit Bond
Divine Spirit
Aegis
Glyph of Lesser Energy

Template Code:OwYS8YIPzkBiW0m8920IjAC

Mo/E WoH Aegis

14 (12+1+1) Heal
10 (9+1) prot
10 (9+1) divine favor

Infuse Health
Reversal of Fortune
Word of Healing
Dismiss Condition
Protective Spirit
Cure Hex
Glyph of Lesser Energy
Aegis

template code: OwYT04XCzhkMT0Ib66x0HZEQAA


OQNCAcwTLYrtCKBCVRHI5jA

SoI Mes runner (Me/Mo)

Illusion Magic: 12+1+1
Fast Casting: 12+1

Ethereal Burden
Conjure Nightmare
Clumsiness
Illusion of Haste
Signet of Illusions
Auspicious Incantation
Healing Breeze
Heal Party

Alternate Runner

Water Runner(E/Mo)

Air: 4+1
Water: 12+1+1
Energy: 10+1
Healing Prayers: 9

Shatterstone
Healing Breeze
Freezing Gust
Blurred Vision
Heal Party
Storm Djinn's Haste
Glyph of Lesser Energy
Res Sig

[E/Mo;OgNEgzyc25gM+IpMz66AkoVFAA]

Originally Posted by Talus

The build looks interesting, but with a four caster midline, I'm wondering if it can withstand large amounts of physical pressure. Hex overload is powerful, but in recent months, its fallen into disfavor (at least, this is what I've seen on observer). Physical pressure has always been the best method of dealing damage, and in order to get hexes to stick, you need to really pile them on. However, hexes by themselves don't really help much, and with only one real damage dealer in the build, we're going to be hard pressed to score kills against an overly defensive team. Ideally, we'd be boasting two powerful hexing midliners, with two frontloaded offensive characters, and a snare elementalist to round it all out.


Take my commentary with a grain of salt, because I've never tested out a Lyssa Dervish, but I really don't see the benefits of Lyssa being greater than Melandru, especially if we're going to be on Burning Isle. Mel Dervs are just too good; they run through the lava, pack a deep wound, stance cancel, and snare. We should weigh the alternatives.

We really need another frontline character, and we basically have two options: Shock Axe or Dev Hammer. I vote hammer because it nicely complements the offensive pressure of a high-damage Mel Derv with knockdowns. Furthermore, a hammer warrior can lineback to make up for defensive weaknesses of our build.

I like double mesmer, but double migraine is a little much. Some enchantment removal would be great, because I don't think the necromancers should stay in this build. Mirror of Disenchantment is choice, and Hex Eater Vortex presents itself as a viable mesmer elite and damage machine.

Anti-Melee hexes are hurting at this time, mainly because of the overwhelming power of a correctly used Hex Eater Vortex. When that thing gets going, their frontline starts bombing our mid-and-back lines. Furthermore, Necros don't really bring much to the table anymore in terms of versatility. I think a dual-mesmer midline would suffice, and we'd have room freed up for other characters.

Some options present themselves:

R/Mo Cripshot
A hex build needs snares to hinder the mobility of the opposing team and force them to take our damage and deal with hexes. Cripshots are versatile, can hinder enemy frontlines, and provide valuable interrupts on the mainline. However, they lack certain team benefits that a caster build could offer. Cripshots are split capable, but that doesn't really mean much to us, because Hex has a hell of a time splitting and dealing with splits.

E/x Shatterstone
The E/x Shatterstone provides massive spike damage and hardcore snaring capability, and could also serve as a platform for some choice secondary profession spell. However, this build would have difficulty dealing with Hex Eater Vortex, just like the anti-melee necromancers, but this type of character would still fare better because snared enemy warriors would have a hard time getting in the correct range for HEV.

E/x Icy Prison
If our frontline is just that damn good, we could forget about the spike damage and turn this character into full-on support. HEV is still a problem, but I've already covered that. Icy Prison is the best snare in the game, and would allow the frontline to beat the hell out of any target we wanted. On Burning Isle, its especially deadly, and keeps opponents stuck in the lava.

Rt/x Weapon Rit
We could also take this route, which I find particularly interesting. A mainline weapon rit could supercharge our offense and provide some defense in the process. Ancestor's Rage, Warmonger's Weapon, and Splinter Weapon are all extremely powerful tools, and could really bolster our offensive frontline significantly. This character could even bring a few ice snares if we need to.

This build also looks particularly interesting
http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:Rt...port_Ritualist



Not sure how I feel about the runner. It's interesting, but it seems like it needs some more cohesive solo tools. Mending Touch would be a good start (especially if you have Illusion of Haste). If you want a heal party spammer, don't waste three slots just to support a clunky Signet of Illusions/Auspicious Incantation trick. Elementalists can do the job much better, and support some other skills nicely in the process. It needs some work.

Bear in mind, that by playing a hex build, you have to be mindful of the fact that most teams are going to try and score kills by spiking. The monks need to be tailored to defend primarily against spikes. As long as we can outpressure, we can win the game.

All I can see at the moment.

Originally Posted by Mike

I should bite my tounge, but I won't.

I really can't even go into all the points. I have not the time, nor the interest. I don't like the fact that someone doesn't play with us for weeks at a time, then comes on to the forums and trashes our highly effective build.

A build is supposed to be something greater than the sum of it's parts. That's what this build is, and it has been more effective than anything we've run recently. For the most part, I hate the meta. I was the same way when I played Magic, Mage Knight, Asheron's Call, Netrunner, or any other competetive game I've played at a high level. I can't stand doing what is being done by others. It really breeds boredom, and an overall lack of creativity and skill. Hence the reason we run builds like this. It's interesting, effective, and entirly different from anything else on obs mode.

I'm sorry if this comes off as nasty. I just really can't stand this type of post. It breeds discontent, confusion, and frustration. It's not productive or constructive.

Originally Posted by Elliott

talus, i know you have not yet played the build, and i dont want to discourage making build comments. i apologise ahead of time if i seem blunt in these responses, but i make them not only inorder to help you understand why certain build choices were made, but also so that others who have similar questions can see the reasoning and thought that goes into the production of our builds.

Also, your suggestions seem to be based more on a build that youve played before, and not on playing the build we're using. You will see that all of the issues you bring up, and other common meta issues, are answered by the build itself. for example:

shutting down the melee ( with necros) and the melee support (with mesmers) vastly reduces physical pressure, as has been seen through the play of the build.

How we deal the damage is a moot point if our damage is getting through. piling on hexes is always a good idea, as long as you can keep them effective, but with skills like hex eater vortex in the meta, shutdown of hex removal is more important. thats where the dual migraine mesmers and signet of humility come in. the way we have been playing it, the migraine mesmers can shutdown the hex removal of both monks pretty effectively, as well as near permanently locking out the elite of an off monk (hex eater vortex, or blinding surge if applicable). when we have both of a team's healers operating under migraine, and your frontline piled under hexes, and your midline degening to death, all while a dervish is taking targets down with 3-4 swings of his scythe, that team is not going to be lasting very long.

see above response. Ideally, we'd be boasting two powerful hexing midliners, with two shutdown mesmers to make it so that those hexes STICK, and a lyssa dervish to round it all out. ah, wait, is that what we've got? yes? ah, ok then. (lol, apologize for the sarcasm)