Curse

Iotan · Jan 17, 2008, 08:10 PM // 20:10

The Japanese will be loving the Patient Spirit buff, it might even see play in other timezones. Dervish elites are still pointless so I can't see people changing from Mel/Wearying. Magebane needed to be hit although I think recharge might have been a better area. All the other skill changes are pretty much the usual wha?

hurric · Jan 17, 2008, 08:14 PM // 20:14

Warmonger I think is still useful I don't mind the nerf but I can't see it being completely useless still.

Targuil · Jan 17, 2008, 08:14 PM // 20:14

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Originally Posted by Iotan

The Japanese will be loving the Patient Spirit buff, it might even see play in other timezones. Dervish elites are still pointless so I can't see people changing from Mel/Wearying. Magebane needed to be hit although I think recharge might have been a better area. All the other skill changes are pretty much the usual wha?

Maybe consider D/W with new "coward!" 4 adrenaline without other adrenaline skill is PRETTY spammable.

Shuuda · Jan 17, 2008, 08:17 PM // 20:17

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Originally Posted by Targuil

Maybe consider D/W with new "coward!" 4 adrenaline without other adrenaline skill is PRETTY spammable.

Interesting, I doubt "Coward" will be seen on Warriors, since it's just an elite and ranged Bull strike, but, I'm sure a use for this skill will pop up.

Divine Xan · Jan 17, 2008, 08:18 PM // 20:18

Wow... the only thing I care about is the death of MB... [goodbye stupidly overpowered ress sig killer ;(]

Rest is naff and what happened to the victory or death part of VoD with the lower damage, higher HP?

Shuuda · Jan 17, 2008, 08:21 PM // 20:21

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Originally Posted by Divine Xan

Wow... the only thing I care about is the death of MB... [goodbye stupidly overpowered ress sig killer ;(]

erm:

1: Hello Res sig, my name is D shot, and I disable for 10 seconds longer than my elite cousin, and I'm packed on all good ranger bars.
2: Hi, I'm Magebane, and I'm still more than useable because of every rangers best friend, expertise.

Orange Milk · Jan 17, 2008, 08:22 PM // 20:22

Massive fail IMO, really other than some Hero IA crap (which makes them semi more viable for PvP due to spike ability, reducing acctual "Player vs Player") they really didn't do much

Warmongers and Magebane were expected, but yeah, I agree with the random darts on the rest.

Atleast they left Chaos Storm alone

kvndoom · Jan 17, 2008, 08:27 PM // 20:27

"Balanced around TA" is a stretch. Yeah, Warmonger's got nerfed, but Asscasters are still too strong and did not get touched.

Angorodon's Gays needs a further nerf. Watching bloodspike after bloodspike on burning isle, seeing a team with no true ability whatsoever beat (or even viably challenge) a top 10 guild by button mashing shows there is a serious problem with this. Buffing "Fall back" doesn't help...

Yay, give Dervishes more Deep Wound. Hey Izzy, can you make Eviscerate a non-elite "melee attack" please?

To "compensate" for Ancestor's + Splinter, NPC's got buffed and the VOD health penalty is gone. So NPC's will still get blown up by Splinter charged Melandrus, just not quite as fast? One, two extra hits now?

But on the upside for my warrior, Sight Beyond Sight + enchant mod = GG Blinding Surge.

Diversion + Wastrel's can be a pretty scary combo now if the second monk is locked down. Kind of an "I dare you" situation. If a mez can squeeze it on their bar, of course...

OVerall, not a good update for the amount of waiting and speculating. I agree with the dartboard feel. Izzy needs to ignore the "make bad skills good" crowd and make adjustments based on what the game really needs.

Right now teams are putting party healing on Paragons. I'd rather see LoD come back than looking at people squeezing blood out of turnips. The two buffed skills need a lowered recharge to be viable.

Divine Xan · Jan 17, 2008, 08:31 PM // 20:31

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Originally Posted by Shuuda

erm:

1: Hello Res sig, my name is D shot, and I disable for 10 seconds longer than my elite cousin, and I'm packed on all good ranger bars.
2: Hi, I'm Magebane, and I'm still more than useable because of every rangers best friend, expertise.

erm:
1: Hai der im Magebane I can hit through block..
2: Hai Magebane, im Dshot, I can disable resses but can be blocked

see where im going with this?

expertise is one thing but the +e now will be annoying.. albeit 2 but still, will have to try out I guess...

Shuuda · Jan 17, 2008, 08:35 PM // 20:35

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Originally Posted by Divine Xan

erm:
1: Hai der im Magebane I can hit through block..
2: Hai Magebane, im Dshot, I can disable resses but can be blocked

see where im going with this?

expertise is one thing but the +e now will be annoying.. albeit 2 but still, will have to try out I guess...

Wasn't the whole point of making it 10e not to make i useless, but dispromote mindless spamming, in the same way if you mindless spam Crippling shot, you'll also lose energy.

Andrew Patrick · Jan 17, 2008, 08:36 PM // 20:36

Please post specific skills you feel still need to be looked at so I can forward it to the design team on Monday. As the update said, we are going to make more adjustments as needed, so please provide detailed feedback so I can pass it on.

Captain Robo · Jan 17, 2008, 08:42 PM // 20:42

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[edit] Dervish

* Pious Assault: increased Energy cost to 10; functionality changed to: "You lose 1 Enchantment. If this attack hits, you deal +5..20 damage and inflict a Deep Wound for 5..20 seconds."

EPIC FAIL

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[edit] Assassin

* Viper's Defense: changed Skill type to a spell; increased casting time to .25 seconds; functionality changed to: "All adjacent foes are Poisoned for 5..20 seconds, you Shadow Step to a nearby random location."
* Heart of Shadow: functionality changed to: "You are healed for 30..150 Health and Shadow Step to a nearby random location."
* Scorpion Wire: decreased recharge time to 10 seconds.
* Caltrops: decreased recharge time to 10 seconds.

When did ensoriki get put on the design team?

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[edit] Mesmer

* Wastrel's Worry: increased damage to 20..80.
* Mind Wrack: increased duration to 30 seconds.
* Kitah's Burden/Ethereal Burden: reduced recharge time to 30 seconds.
* Hex Eater Vortex: decreased damage to 30..90; increased recharge to 15 seconds.

Only HEV was a relevant update... and its kind of lame.

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[edit] Monk

* Divine Healing/Heaven's Delight: increased the area of effect to earshot.
* Patient Spirit: decreased duration to 2 seconds; increased healing to 30..120 Health.
* Restore Life: decreased casting time to 4 seconds.
* Renew Life: decreased casting time to 4 seconds.
* Vengeance: increased damage bonus to +25%; decreased recharge time to 30 seconds.
* Aura of Stability: decreased duration to 1..16 seconds.

I'm interested in seeing how DH/HD pan out, could be decent party healing; duplication could make it overpowered though.
Nice Patient Spirit buff.
Restore and Renew... are getting ridiculous.
Vengeance is still lol

Best monk buffs I've seen in a while.

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[edit] Necromancer

* Signet of Agony: increased damage to 10..70.
* Wail of Doom: decreased Energy cost to 10.

[edit] Paragon

* Spear of Fury: increased adrenaline gain to 2..6 strikes.
* "We Shall Return!": decreased Energy cost to 5.
* "Fall Back!": decreased Energy cost to 10.

And I was so pleased by the monk buffs.... this is just trash.

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[edit] Ranger

* Power Shot: decreased activation time to 1 second.
* Precision Shot: decreased activation time to 1 second.
* Penetrating Attack/Sundering Attack: decreased activation time to 1 second.
* Magebane Shot: increased Energy cost to 10.

Interesting... Choking gas could be kind of ridiculous in HA again, combined with IAS and these new fast bow attacks.

Oh wait... PD is still better.

At least magebane got what it needed.

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[edit] Ritualist

* Rejuvenation: increased Spirit's level to 1..16.
* Sight Beyond Sight: increased duration to 12..25 seconds.
* Sundering Weapon: now affects the next 3 attacks.
* Warmonger's Weapon: increased recharge time to 30 seconds.

Nobody cares about Rejuvenation.
Nobody cares about Sight Beyond Sight.
Nobody cares about sundering. Period.

1/4, gg.

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[edit] Warrior

* "Coward!": decreased adrenaline cost to 4 strikes.
* "You're All Alone!": increased duration to 8 seconds.

Does Anet playtest, or observe for that matter?

I don't even want to think about how sick "Coward!" would be on a paragon now.

Shuuda · Jan 17, 2008, 08:47 PM // 20:47

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Originally Posted by Andrew Patrick

Please post specific skills you feel still need to be looked at so I can forward it to the design team on Monday. As the update said, we are going to make more adjustments as needed, so please provide detailed feedback so I can pass it on.

Don't mean to sound insulting, but isn't there a topic right below this one on this issue, why do'tcha glue Izzy's face to it so maybe he'll read it.

dwchang · Jan 17, 2008, 08:48 PM // 20:48

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Originally Posted by Blame the Monks

Why is Izzy determined to buff melee rits?

Yes I love how Ancestor's or Splinter weren't even touched when 90% of the people out there run rit runners for the sole purpose of VoD rapeage.

Also the VoD changes won't matter when a Ritualist buffs your melees and all the NPCs blow up. Fixing the AI and how it responds to being *cough* blown up, might be worthwhile...

(Oh wait people have been asking that for years...)

DutchSmurf · Jan 17, 2008, 08:51 PM // 20:51

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Originally Posted by Andrew Patrick

Please post specific skills you feel still need to be looked at so I can forward it to the design team on Monday. As the update said, we are going to make more adjustments as needed, so please provide detailed feedback so I can pass it on.

We know, you always say that.

Anyway, not a bad update at all. Don't fix what isn't broken after all. VoD was a problem and it is seeing some changed. We will have to see how it works out. Only time will tell I guess.
No overpowered skills in the metagame that were an obvious problem, so also no major nerfs. Some skills that were a bit too strong (Warmonger's, Magebane, HEV and Aura of Stability) that got a slight nerf. Dervish gets another non-elite deep wound, which is a good thing. Some buffs that might be interesting. Coward, YAA and Caltrops most of all. And to finish the update some useless buffs.

Shuuda · Jan 17, 2008, 08:54 PM // 20:54

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Dervish gets another non-elite deep wound

But they still have only one good elite, nothing will change.

Sun Fired Blank · Jan 17, 2008, 08:54 PM // 20:54

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Realize that Wail of Doom being viable means your meleers are utterly useless and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.

Wail of Doom actually isn't that useful IMO, it can stop adrenal spikes and sin chains but really doesn't cut down on autoattack damage, which is really significant. Whenever I've messed with it in TA, it's always come across as rather marginal compared to other solutions.

On another note, I could've gone with a glance at Signet of Humility also, but that's just me.

TaCktiX · Jan 17, 2008, 08:56 PM // 20:56

Badly needed nerfs:

- "Fear Me!" Raise the adrenaline to 6, make it single-target only, or drop the energy it kills. IWAY is beatable, yes, but it's severely annoying to any balanced team.

- Signet of Toxic Shock. Either make it cost energy if it deals no damage (prevents mindless Assacaster spamming, or kills their energy even faster), or lower the damage it deals.

- Not a skill, but update NPC AI in GvG to run away from AoE like Splinter, then regroup in a different way. That would nerf the Splinter bomb blockway meta that's really annoying.

Mr Emu · Jan 17, 2008, 08:58 PM // 20:58

IMO if divine healing/clone were at half cast/recharge/heal from where they are now, and blight was buffed with the 5+5 concept, we might see some blight/prot builds gaining popularity. At 2 cast and 30 recharge, they just aren't going to be useful right now.

Lorekeeper · Jan 17, 2008, 08:59 PM // 20:59

Its cool everyone.. Wastrels Worry and Power Shot got buffed!

AND Vengeance!

the answer to all my balance hopes!

Seriously... no skill balance would be better than a skill balance of this nature... its sort of like saying ''we wanna show we care by updating the game, but in all honesty we dont care enough to do it properly, so pick some comical/unused skills and buff them; maybe the players will find it so funny that they will forget about the fact we just dont give a damn anymore.

What other games are you all playing? I hear alot of talk about Call of Duty 4...