Curse

romO · Jan 30, 2008, 08:52 PM // 20:52

With the Super Bowl coming up this Sunday (TOM BRADY I LOVE YOU HAVE MY CHILDREN), I think that breaking this down with a sports analogy is appropriate. Hopefully it will also make those that have been criticizing rawr look at it from a different perspective and understand the logic behind their actions.

Rawr has been getting beaten down by dR lately. It's 4th and 30. Rawr has the ball on their own 30 yard line. Rawr always attempts a field goal on 4th down; everyone always attempts a field goal on 4th down. However, this is a god damn 80 yard kick. Now I don't want to insult Torsen's leg or anything, but if Jason Elam couldn't do it, I'm skeptical that he could. Rawr has already missed several 80 yard field goals this game (after which Doji pulled out a sharpie and signed a camera, and Custo and Augie got penalized for group celebration for doing the Dirty Bird).

Now let's look at rawr's options here. They can punt (forfeit), but that doesn't help them any offensively, although they do have quite a formidable defense. The next choice they have is to attempt another 80 yard field goal (play their normal build). MAYBE, just MAYBE, this time, they can pump Torsen so full of powerbars, energy drinks, and Human Growth Hormone that he can boot one through the uprights. Finally, they can bomb up a Hail Mary or run a trick play (make a drastic build change or play a gimmick build such as sineptitude). Unfortunately, they have quite a long way to go, and don't have any Hail Mary's in their playbook.

Here's what actually happened: when rawr received the message that they would have to play dR in Lambeau Field in a -20 degree blizzard again, head coach Polly (who is actually from Denmark, so he probably doesn't know that much about American football or understand my references) had to make a call. He knew that dR would be expecting a field goal attempt since rawr always kicks field goals, as does everyone else. Regardless, rawr came out in field goal formation, just as both teams expected and had done many times before. However, this time, instead of a hold and kick, Hexen snapped the ball to Lego, the holder, who proceeded to throw it up in the air to Scotty who was streaking down the field. Windforce, Daemon, and Ensign had him in triple coverage, and needless to say, the ball was batted down, and turned over to dR.

Feeling dejected, [whoever plays paragon for rawr] hung his/her head in shame. This was not so much because of the loss, but instead because Tommy has no idea who he/she is, and thus, could not reference him/her in this post.

See, what happened was that dR didn't even need to set up to block the 80 yard field goal. They had already stopped it several times, and it would be incredibly difficult to pull off even in perfect conditions. Instead, they had their secondary of Tommy and Langola drop way back into pass protection. Although the fake field goal may have caught dR off-guard, it was not going to be enough to gain the first down because the setup was too similar. dR was allowed to prepare for different types of plays because they were the only way that rawr was going to score. The field goal was surely going to miss again, especially on the slippery terrain, and so stopping everything else became a priority. Additional foresight was provided by a pre-game press conference, in which members of rawr responded to ESPN's Billiard that they were "developing new counters for [dR and DF]... and saving them" (http://www.guildwars.com/competitive...belrising.php).

Rawr went on to be heckled by certain members of the GWG media, who thought that trick plays were only for bad teams, and that they should have attempted to retain their honor by kicking an improbable 80 yarder.

After the game, it was uncovered that dR had positioned cameras to record video of rawr's assistant coaches Tyson and Jackie's signals on the sidelines in order to gather information about their play calling. dR was not reprimanded for their actions because dR players Tommy, Daemon, and Custo had already had their first round draft picks unjustly stolen from them by AFL commissioner Gaile Gray in August 2006. For the record, RenO, Fish, Te, and emt all got to keep their draft picks, although they committed the same crimes.

Translation:
Rawr has always run their normal build against dR.
The last several games that dR has played against rawr have been flawless victories, which means that if they ran the same build again, a win would be highly unlikely.
This is especially true on Isle of Wurms, which heavily favors dR.
Rawr tried to pick off a quick win by throwing dR a curveball: a new hex build that dR had never seen before.
dR knew rawr had been preparing something special for them.
dR also knew that they could spec for other builds and still beat rawr's balanced build, since it would not take a great investment, so preparing for a couple of different builds was easy.
In addition to that, dR had heard a rumor that was being passed around that rawr wanted to hex them.

All in all, rawr made the right choice in trying to switch things up and catch us with our eyes closed. Playing a build that hadn't been successful against us in the past on a map where our build is supercharged would have been suicide. Unfortunately for rawr, their hex build still held the same 8v8 style, and it didn't take much for us to spec both of those builds: just a couple of skill changes, most notably on the monks. Our playstyle remained unchanged.

It was a positive change for them, and I admire their willingness to take a risk. It just wasn't enough this time. They're eventually going to find their own flea-flicker or something. Maybe a Hail Mary. A draw play would also be interesting.

If all else fails, they can just recruit Eric Crouch and run the option. If every collegiate team in the nation couldn't stop that shit, then I don't know how we possibly could.

I'm aware of the inconsistencies in my story and flaws in my analogy. To anyone who attempts to point them out: screw you.

TheHaxor · Jan 30, 2008, 09:16 PM // 21:16

Best analogy ever.

Quote:

Originally Posted by romO

If all else fails, they can just recruit Eric Crouch and run the option. If every collegiate team in the nation couldn't stop that shit, then I don't know how we possibly could.

Except for Miami!

Blame the Monks · Jan 30, 2008, 09:18 PM // 21:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by romO

With the Super Bowl coming up this Sunday (TOM BRADY I LOVE YOU HAVE MY CHILDREN), I think that breaking this down with a sports analogy is appropriate. Hopefully it will also make those that have been criticizing rawr look at it from a different perspective and understand the logic behind their actions.

Rawr has been getting beaten down by dR lately. It's 4th and 30. Rawr has the ball on their own 30 yard line. Rawr always attempts a field goal on 4th down; everyone always attempts a field goal on 4th down. However, this is a god damn 80 yard kick. Now I don't want to insult Torsen's leg or anything, but if Jason Elam couldn't do it, I'm skeptical that he could. Rawr has already missed several 80 yard field goals this game (after which Doji pulled out a sharpie and signed a camera, and Custo and Augie got penalized for group celebration for doing the Dirty Bird).

Now let's look at rawr's options here. They can punt (forfeit), but that doesn't help them any offensively, although they do have quite a formidable defense. The next choice they have is to attempt another 80 yard field goal (play their normal build). MAYBE, just MAYBE, this time, they can pump Torsen so full of powerbars, energy drinks, and Human Growth Hormone that he can boot one through the uprights. Finally, they can bomb up a Hail Mary or run a trick play (make a drastic build change or play a gimmick build such as sineptitude). Unfortunately, they have quite a long way to go, and don't have any Hail Mary's in their playbook.

Here's what actually happened: when rawr received the message that they would have to play dR in Lambeau Field in a -20 degree blizzard again, head coach Polly (who is actually from Denmark, so he probably doesn't know that much about American football or understand my references) had to make a call. He knew that dR would be expecting a field goal attempt since rawr always kicks field goals, as does everyone else. Regardless, rawr came out in field goal formation, just as both teams expected and had done many times before. However, this time, instead of a hold and kick, Hexen snapped the ball to Lego, the holder, who proceeded to throw it up in the air to Scotty who was streaking down the field. Windforce, Daemon, and Ensign had him in triple coverage, and needless to say, the ball was batted down, and turned over to dR.

Feeling dejected, [whoever plays paragon for rawr] hung his/her head in shame. This was not so much because of the loss, but instead because Tommy has no idea who he/she is, and thus, could not reference him/her in this post.

See, what happened was that dR didn't even need to set up to block the 80 yard field goal. They had already stopped it several times, and it would be incredibly difficult to pull off even in perfect conditions. Instead, they had their secondary of Tommy and Langola drop way back into pass protection. Although the fake field goal may have caught dR off-guard, it was not going to be enough to gain the first down because the setup was too similar. dR was allowed to prepare for different types of plays because they were the only way that rawr was going to score. The field goal was surely going to miss again, especially on the slippery terrain, and so stopping everything else became a priority. Additional foresight was provided by a pre-game press conference, in which members of rawr responded to ESPN's Billiard that they were "developing new counters for [dR and DF]... and saving them" (http://www.guildwars.com/competitive...belrising.php).

Rawr went on to be heckled by certain members of the GWG media, who thought that trick plays were only for bad teams, and that they should have attempted to retain their honor by kicking an improbable 80 yarder.

After the game, it was uncovered that dR had positioned cameras to record video of rawr's assistant coaches Tyson and Jackie's signals on the sidelines in order to gather information about their play calling. dR was not reprimanded for their actions because dR players Tommy, Daemon, and Custo had already had their first round draft picks unjustly stolen from them by AFL commissioner Gaile Gray in August 2006. For the record, RenO, Fish, Te, and emt all got to keep their draft picks, although they committed the same crimes.

Translation:
Rawr has always run their normal build against dR.
The last several games that dR has played against rawr have been flawless victories, which means that if they ran the same build again, a win would be highly unlikely.
This is especially true on Isle of Wurms, which heavily favors dR.
Rawr tried to pick off a quick win by throwing dR a curveball: a new hex build that dR had never seen before.
dR knew rawr had been preparing something special for them.
dR also knew that they could spec for other builds and still beat rawr's balanced build, since it would not take a great investment, so preparing for a couple of different builds was easy.
In addition to that, dR had heard a rumor that was being passed around that rawr wanted to hex them.

All in all, rawr made the right choice in trying to switch things up and catch us with our eyes closed. Playing a build that hadn't been successful against us in the past on a map where our build is supercharged would have been suicide. Unfortunately for rawr, their hex build still held the same 8v8 style, and it didn't take much for us to spec both of those builds: just a couple of skill changes, most notably on the monks. Our playstyle remained unchanged.

It was a positive change for them, and I admire their willingness to take a risk. It just wasn't enough this time. They're eventually going to find their own flea-flicker or something. Maybe a Hail Mary. A draw play would also be interesting.

If all else fails, they can just recruit Eric Crouch and run the option. If every collegiate team in the nation couldn't stop that shit, then I don't know how we possibly could.

I'm aware of the inconsistencies in my story and flaws in my analogy. To anyone who attempts to point them out: screw you.

If only guild wars was as entertaining as the e-drama surrounding it =/

miles · Jan 30, 2008, 09:28 PM // 21:28

Div · Jan 30, 2008, 09:28 PM // 21:28

Holy shit tommy you are my hero.

Billiard · Jan 30, 2008, 09:40 PM // 21:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by ibreaktoilets

DF won a monthly tournament, where the K value is 50 (or 30? not sure), which meant they go a huge amount of rating for not many games.
dR on the other hand are experts at err 7/not loading.

Fixed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by romO

. . . Additional foresight was provided by a pre-game press conference, in which members of rawr responded to ESPN's Billiard that they were "developing new counters for [dR and DF]... and saving them" (http://www.guildwars.com/competitive...belrising.php).

Actually their hex build got me thinking more that they might be gaming for the next MAT rather than actually trying to win a daily. Think about it. They run a hex build after rumors are flying that they might do it. So next MAT all teams gotta think they might run hex against them, and instead they have some other super secret build. That Polly is one sneaky guy!

That said, pretty epic post by Tommy!

DarkNecrid · Jan 30, 2008, 09:44 PM // 21:44

rofl

Tommy is amazing.

Doji · Jan 30, 2008, 09:51 PM // 21:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by IMMORTAlMITCH

It does equate to being able to keep npcs alive while you get splitted on better.

Rit was going to yield worst results.

dies like fish · Jan 30, 2008, 11:11 PM // 23:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by romO

(TOMMY ROMO I LOVE YOU HAVE MY CHILDREN)

Fixed. Hi Tommy.

elektra_lucia · Jan 30, 2008, 11:52 PM // 23:52

Quote:

With the Super Bowl coming up this Sunday (TOM BRADY I LOVE YOU HAVE MY CHILDREN), I think that breaking this down with a sports analogy is appropriate. Hopefully it will also make those that have been criticizing rawr look at it from a different perspective and understand the logic behind their actions.

Rawr has been getting beaten down by dR lately. It's 4th and 30. Rawr has the ball on their own 30 yard line. Rawr always attempts a field goal on 4th down; everyone always attempts a field goal on 4th down. However, this is a god damn 80 yard kick. Now I don't want to insult Torsen's leg or anything, but if Jason Elam couldn't do it, I'm skeptical that he could. Rawr has already missed several 80 yard field goals this game (after which Doji pulled out a sharpie and signed a camera, and Custo and Augie got penalized for group celebration for doing the Dirty Bird).

Now let's look at rawr's options here. They can punt (forfeit), but that doesn't help them any offensively, although they do have quite a formidable defense. The next choice they have is to attempt another 80 yard field goal (play their normal build). MAYBE, just MAYBE, this time, they can pump Torsen so full of powerbars, energy drinks, and Human Growth Hormone that he can boot one through the uprights. Finally, they can bomb up a Hail Mary or run a trick play (make a drastic build change or play a gimmick build such as sineptitude). Unfortunately, they have quite a long way to go, and don't have any Hail Mary's in their playbook.

Here's what actually happened: when rawr received the message that they would have to play dR in Lambeau Field in a -20 degree blizzard again, head coach Polly (who is actually from Denmark, so he probably doesn't know that much about American football or understand my references) had to make a call. He knew that dR would be expecting a field goal attempt since rawr always kicks field goals, as does everyone else. Regardless, rawr came out in field goal formation, just as both teams expected and had done many times before. However, this time, instead of a hold and kick, Hexen snapped the ball to Lego, the holder, who proceeded to throw it up in the air to Scotty who was streaking down the field. Windforce, Daemon, and Ensign had him in triple coverage, and needless to say, the ball was batted down, and turned over to dR.

Feeling dejected, [whoever plays paragon for rawr] hung his/her head in shame. This was not so much because of the loss, but instead because Tommy has no idea who he/she is, and thus, could not reference him/her in this post.

See, what happened was that dR didn't even need to set up to block the 80 yard field goal. They had already stopped it several times, and it would be incredibly difficult to pull off even in perfect conditions. Instead, they had their secondary of Tommy and Langola drop way back into pass protection. Although the fake field goal may have caught dR off-guard, it was not going to be enough to gain the first down because the setup was too similar. dR was allowed to prepare for different types of plays because they were the only way that rawr was going to score. The field goal was surely going to miss again, especially on the slippery terrain, and so stopping everything else became a priority. Additional foresight was provided by a pre-game press conference, in which members of rawr responded to ESPN's Billiard that they were "developing new counters for [dR and DF]... and saving them" (http://www.guildwars.com/competitive...belrising.php).

Rawr went on to be heckled by certain members of the GWG media, who thought that trick plays were only for bad teams, and that they should have attempted to retain their honor by kicking an improbable 80 yarder.

After the game, it was uncovered that dR had positioned cameras to record video of rawr's assistant coaches Tyson and Jackie's signals on the sidelines in order to gather information about their play calling. dR was not reprimanded for their actions because dR players Tommy, Daemon, and Custo had already had their first round draft picks unjustly stolen from them by AFL commissioner Gaile Gray in August 2006. For the record, RenO, Fish, Te, and emt all got to keep their draft picks, although they committed the same crimes.

W T F

This hurt my head.

erk · Jan 31, 2008, 12:30 AM // 00:30

It's getting to the point where you need second accounts to practice with, that are not on other guilds friends lists, so your opponents can't be forewarned about the characters you are going to bring to the tournament!

xhappy feetx · Jan 31, 2008, 12:41 AM // 00:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by erk

It's getting to the point where you need second accounts to practice with, that are not on other guilds friends lists, so your opponents can't be forewarned about the characters you are going to bring to the tournament!

Or you could just reroll with the same name.....

Div · Jan 31, 2008, 01:58 AM // 01:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by erk

It's getting to the point where you need second accounts to practice with, that are not on other guilds friends lists, so your opponents can't be forewarned about the characters you are going to bring to the tournament!

Nothing escapes the eyes of The Spymaster.

Son Of The Axe · Jan 31, 2008, 04:23 AM // 04:23

alright well i think i can appreciate rawr's strategy now, but do you think had rawr caught dR with their panst down it would've matter, as stated rawr's build was even less mobile and dR is very strong on splits, indeed its a central strategy for them. An on a map made for splits would rawr's trick have worked?

Farin · Jan 31, 2008, 06:02 AM // 06:02

rawr got pretty close to cracking dR a couple times, I'm sure it would've worked.

IMMORTAlMITCH · Jan 31, 2008, 09:24 AM // 09:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doji

Rit was going to yield worst results.

Where did I mention rits?

Doji · Jan 31, 2008, 02:15 PM // 14:15

You didn't, but we both know when faced with a option between bringing a rit or a monk most of the time teams would bring the rit. So it was a assumption. A rit is certainly a "proper" flagger.

IMMORTAlMITCH · Jan 31, 2008, 04:10 PM // 16:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doji

You didn't, but we both know when faced with a option between bringing a rit or a monk most of the time teams would bring the rit. So it was a assumption. A rit is certainly a "proper" flagger.

A popular flagger in hex builds is a water ele, a water ele + a necro would have been much more equiped at dealing with a gank than what rawr decided to run ;o

blurmedia · Jan 31, 2008, 05:58 PM // 17:58

Tommy is my new hero
<3

Doji · Jan 31, 2008, 09:16 PM // 21:16

The ineptitude guy is more of a threat then a water ele would ever be, stalling us isn't the important part, putting damage across and making us retreat is.

If you asked me out of a monk, ineptitude, or water ele wich would present a greater threat to our split and the answer would be ineptitude. The necros bar wasn't really suited for dealing with splits, he certainly wasn't a threat.

You don't always need a standard runner bar, sorry to disappoint.