Curse

Lykan · Feb 16, 2008, 07:43 AM // 07:43

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Originally Posted by Lordhelmos

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That dont mean anything, it just shows the most popular crapway of the moment, if you went back a year you would see all w/r and n/mo, it dont mean thats all that is being played.

Anyone who has a clue about HA knows the winners arent the ones spamming for teams in id1.

Riotgear · Feb 16, 2008, 07:51 AM // 07:51

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Originally Posted by Horace The Great

The rank system is not problem why HA is so inactive. HA was active before, and there was the same rank system.

It's part of it, or rather, it's part of the larger problem of HA becoming increasingly hostile to new players. As the veterans leave, and new players are continually repulsed, the format will continue to die.

As for R/W and N/Rt: RaO and spirit shitting let bad players accomplish things and are bad for the game, this is new?

wuzzman · Feb 16, 2008, 07:30 PM // 19:30

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Originally Posted by Shadowspawn X

Problem with balanced in HA is there are very few players who can pull it off on a regular basis. People would play balanced if they could PUG it and actually win. I love playing my mesmer on a balanced team but tbh fame wise its a monumental waste of time why take two hours to make a team that has r7-r9 guys who can't snare, maintain an aegis chain, or even make a intelligent decission on what they should be interrupting. You can give people the best build but if it requires to much thinking and multitasking it will fail and unfortunately balanced requires that each player actually have a understanding of the game and some class mastery. Maybe if the top 100 guilds played HA more some skills could get transfered around the community but now its just the blind leading the blind. Getting fame is about as much fun as the 10,000 chests I need to run in pve, its just reduced to pure grind like the rest of GW.

for the one the system doesn't encourage thinking. You think back to pve grind fest, advancement and intelligent thought doesn't come hand in hand. Regardless of build, HA doesn't encourage the analyzing, adjusting, and just plain knowing what hit you and how to counter it. 80% of it is due to the fact that those r7-r9's were busy farming there way up the ladder. Beating the same old scrubs not bothering to learn a damn thing because, r7-r9 can get into any group he wants, with or without the knowledge his rank implies.

20% comes from the fact that our skill balance environment is very much prone to QQ'ing. Why learn to play against something, why learn to study skills, when most often then not, in about a month or two those same skills and skill sets will be made worthless. No point in really studying the game when there won't be much to study given enough time. If people whine enough eventually I won't have to deal with, so why not just follow along, abuse it while we can, or add to the QQ.

Kyp Jade · Feb 16, 2008, 08:18 PM // 20:18

A lot of the problem has to do with the fame system. Its just a number that only goes up, and is no indication of your wins and losses really. There wa discussion in alliance chat about a player rating. It wouldnt change anything much except to keep your rating historic, and keeps bad players on the bottom always, good players at the top.

Phe Belladona · Feb 17, 2008, 05:10 AM // 05:10

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Originally Posted by Kyp Jade

A lot of the problem has to do with the fame system. Its just a number that only goes up, and is no indication of your wins and losses really. There wa discussion in alliance chat about a player rating. It wouldnt change anything much except to keep your rating historic, and keeps bad players on the bottom always, good players at the top.

interesting but its a team game, like you could be personally doing everything perfectly and truly the best you can with the situation but the rest of the team spazzing on the floor like a seal who's been hit on the head by a club but not quite dead cause you to lose the game. this may cause negative rating at no fault of your own (except you were stupid enough to include idiots in the team - but lets face it everyone has a rubbish friend that gets to play purely cause its rude to say "sod off you're crap")

but i do think you're right with the "it only goes up" with no punishment except time lost for failing, and no punishment for being evil or plain bad with buckets of time. i dont think however there is a way to fix it as the game stands - without maybe employing "judges" who award points for stylish kills, builds and tactics, but since GW doesnt have monthly fees i thik that would be asking much

wuzzman · Feb 18, 2008, 04:03 AM // 04:03

lose 1 fame per lose. done. Too bad this should have been done 2 years ago...

Lykan · Feb 18, 2008, 04:16 AM // 04:16

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Originally Posted by wuzzman

lose 1 fame per lose. done. Too bad this should have been done 2 years ago...

Yea thats a great way to encourage new players to stay in HA, randomway newbies scrapeing 1 fame a day, will be on zero forever the amount of times they get pummelled.
what an incentive to keep playing.....

wuzzman · Feb 18, 2008, 04:22 AM // 04:22

again should have been done 2 years ago. You really have to be dense to think that a fame system that encourages grinding, pve in its likeness, would ever keep a pvp community going. If players win/loss ratio was true represented, we have a more honest HA community, based on who can run what build rather then who spent the longest hours getting beyond r6. People will be forced to consider and actually learn from individual matches, not just win UW and lose the second map over and over again till r3 and beyond.

TaCktiX · Feb 18, 2008, 10:22 AM // 10:22

I'd prefer not lose 1 fame per loss. Despite the quality of my own play among friends, I have been cursed since 500 fame to get further fame in single points (UW, lose, UW, lose). I'm now at 568, and only do HA when I'm ready to be frustrated beyond belief. I at least entertain the naive notion that when I hit R5 the curse will lift, but facts remain I've been 1-and-outing with balanced team builds for nearly 70 (winning) matches.

Akaraxle · Feb 18, 2008, 11:12 AM // 11:12

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Originally Posted by wuzzman

lose 1 fame per lose. done. Too bad this should have been done 2 years ago...

Wrong. Removing the concept of fame entirely is what should have been done 3 years ago.

red orc · Feb 18, 2008, 11:18 AM // 11:18

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Originally Posted by wuzzman

again should have been done 2 years ago. You really have to be dense to think that a fame system that encourages grinding, pve in its likeness, would ever keep a pvp community going. If players win/loss ratio was true represented, we have a more honest HA community, based on who can run what build rather then who spent the longest hours getting beyond r6. People will be forced to consider and actually learn from individual matches, not just win UW and lose the second map over and over again till r3 and beyond.

but for that you have GVG.
Anet wanted to enable PVP grind and invented HA.
It's all about grind. The only problem is that this is the only thing that gives you the nice emotes. Other than that, it's fine.
You want to grind, you go to HA.
You want to be better at PVP and win, you go to GVG.
Both options are covered.

Kyp Jade · Feb 18, 2008, 02:21 PM // 14:21

from My experience playing games like Age of Kings or Empire Earth, the rating thing was loads of fun. And most of the time, if I had to guess I'd say 90% of the time rating was a true representative of skill.

Sway Scrubs would keep bottom feeding at say 900-1200 rating
The decent teams that win more than they lose would take middle ground 1200-1500
And then the top teams you always see win would go 1500+

I suspect having a rating that everyone can see instead of a rank that never goes down and you can farm the next level, would vastly improve grouping. However its too late for anything like this for Guild Wars, something like this should have been implemented on release.

Also there would be no rewards for playing, probably would need to improve the HoH chest as well.

Takida · Feb 18, 2008, 02:29 PM // 14:29

Is nothing wrong with the fame system really.. Just bad mapmechanicspoorbalancingingamenightfallblabla.

red orc · Feb 18, 2008, 02:37 PM // 14:37

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Originally Posted by Shadowspawn X

Problem with balanced in HA is there are very few players who can pull it off on a regular basis. People would play balanced if they could PUG it and actually win. I love playing my mesmer on a balanced team but tbh fame wise its a monumental waste of time why take two hours to make a team that has r7-r9 guys who can't snare, maintain an aegis chain, or even make a intelligent decission on what they should be interrupting. You can give people the best build but if it requires to much thinking and multitasking it will fail and unfortunately balanced requires that each player actually have a understanding of the game and some class mastery. Maybe if the top 100 guilds played HA more some skills could get transfered around the community but now its just the blind leading the blind. Getting fame is about as much fun as the 10,000 chests I need to run in pve, its just reduced to pure grind like the rest of GW.

you mean top 1000 not top 100.
BTW, you can play GVG and reduce the grind factor to 0.

blood seeker · Feb 19, 2008, 09:01 AM // 09:01

Nothing wrong with the fame system, it's just the players and the maps/balance/gankfest

wuzzman · Feb 21, 2008, 01:01 AM // 01:01

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Originally Posted by Akaraxle

Wrong. Removing the concept of fame entirely is what should have been done 3 years ago.

losing 1 fame per lose pretty much ends the fame farming....

Kyrein · Feb 21, 2008, 02:29 AM // 02:29

it also kills the whole game of HA.....

Kyp Jade · Feb 21, 2008, 02:45 AM // 02:45

it also makes people that are able to get up to r9+ more respectable, considering you cant grind 5k UW fame and get r9

wuzzman · Feb 21, 2008, 03:13 AM // 03:13

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Originally Posted by Kyrein

it also kills the whole game of HA.....

what kills HA is letting it turn into pve.

Kyrein · Feb 21, 2008, 03:31 AM // 03:31

.......how is HA turning into pve? title grinding doesnt make it pve.......
losing fame for a loss would pretty much guarantee that the majority of people couldnt get any rank whatsoever.....you go out and get 20 crap teams in a row and lose your rank, then tell me how you like that