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Teh Jace · Feb 25, 2008, 11:43 PM // 23:43

popo : hf farming people

Sun Fired Blank · Feb 26, 2008, 12:11 AM // 00:11

You are an ass. These people aren't making excuses. These are very strong players, both quantitatively in terms of gladiator and champion ranks, and qualitatively in terms of their performance, voicing legitimate complaints. Their generalizations do not invalidate the general content of their posts; it makes for sub-par argumentation, but you clearly understand their statements are hardly literal in many cases, and your constant nitpicking is only exasperating.

They're right: any form of balanced should have a fighting chance versus everything, and that is hardly true anymore; a group can outright build you out if they're so inclined, reducing your chances of victory to a fairly unreasonable level. It has become such that even a double frontline balanced setup can be highly vulnerable due a lack of utility, and I already noted that most other options are obsolete or highly questionable. No amount of "adapting" alters this fact. There is no setup right now that has a reasonable chance versus everything in the meta. That is undeniably an unhealthy state of affairs, and it is hardly a matter of "pre-conceptions" or inveterate thought. They're also right: lag is a major factor in certain matchups, and your disregard isn't going to change that fact.

These are legitimate complaints, and your attempts to belittle them are what make you an ass. It has nothing to do with whether people agree with you or not. You can disagree respectfully, or you can nitpick other people's words, call then noobs, tell them they're making up excuses, and tell them to "stop whining" and "crying." Guess which one makes you an ass?

valence · Feb 26, 2008, 12:29 AM // 00:29

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Originally Posted by Popo

imagine how easy it would be to prot against this the damage packets were combined. And furthermore, other counters to this build have been listed.

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There you just agreed with me. The fact that they are trying to convince others that it's an autoloss is the main reason I even posted. It's a shame you turned into a prick and started to insult me just like they did.

This has been noted by way to many people, yet that is not an argument. The other counters are still crap and have no role in a balanced build. Why dont you (as you seem to know it all) call the good counters that are not crap versus other retarded gimmicks.

On the second part, it is an autoloss vs any decent shove spike. Those who are epic crap will still be crushed (tho the droks run can still be annoying).

You where the first one crap talking towards me. Dont be an

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Originally Posted by Popo

idiot.

Popo · Feb 26, 2008, 12:32 AM // 00:32

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Their generalizations do not invalidate the general content of their posts; it makes for sub-par argumentation, but you clearly understand their statements are hardly literal in many cases, and your constant nitpicking is only exasperating.

False, don't defend the idiots.

Look up the definition of excuse and then read this thread to see how many times lag is brought up.

By the way, congrats on the complete e-rage. Read the posts. Unless I'm mistaken I never insulted ANYONE until valence said I "needed to play the game." So, in the end, you're just a dumbass e-rager just like them and consequently are part of the reason why this forum is garbage .

EDIT: On a side note I find it hilarious that Mr. 2007-2008 join dates are trying to gang up on me and say I'm the inexperienced one. Keep crying about touch rangers little kiddies.

Sun Fired Blank · Feb 26, 2008, 07:04 AM // 07:04

So let me understand you.

By the very second post in this thread, you had told people they were "whining," "making excuses," "crying," "bitching," "suck," "unskilled," etc. for voicing a legitimate complaint about latency? Don't use your "join date" as a defense. You've made a grand total of seventeen posts in the last year and a half, and most of them are nonsubstantive; thirteen of them are in the last four months. If you think for a second post date relates to experience and playtime, and consequently competence, you're going to be very unpleasantly surprised, especially in relation to Jace.

Teh Jace · Feb 26, 2008, 08:12 AM // 08:12

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Originally Posted by Popo

On a side note I find it hilarious that Mr. 2007-2008 join dates are trying to gang up on me and say I'm the inexperienced one. Keep crying about touch rangers little kiddies.

U are talking about e-ego, keyboard warriors, idiots and retards and in the end u posted this.

urania · Feb 26, 2008, 10:15 AM // 10:15

say, Popo, whats your in-game name?

if you have indeed been playing GW actively, especially TA, since 2006 (which i doubt, but who knows), you should be fairly known in the (online) TA community.
I'm just curious, since it'd be kinda funny it you'd turn out to be just another TA gimmicker...or maybe a dedicated balanced-build user...or sth in-between =P
Atm you are just a random unknown person arguing with TA regulars (and vice versa).

at jace, balanced with a nec is still viewable, just takes a lot more effort (and, sad as it is, luck too) against 2 monk gayness...the only build (or to be more exact, the few more frequent builds)where i think that this balanced build is in a really bad position is a monk+ranger+nec+mes build or some crazy campway with multiple mantras of resolve :>.
On a different note, i think that even if the goth spike gets a kill through the necro needs to do his/her best to snare them during a spike and it should be fine from there on, if u can keep the pressure up. Hell, ill never say 2 warrs+ranger are better to 1 nec instead of a warr simply because that necro template can adjust very well to a wide variety of builds, even tho it may be weak against certain builds.
And if a 2 warr+ranger team meets the balanced build with a nec, the latter WILL win, if the midline (ie. the nec and the ranger) is good enough.
And clashes between teams of equal skill using the same balanced build with a necro are not only highly challenging but normally also end in epic matches that are always worthy of a true "gg".
Anyway, the monk in the 2 warr+1 ranger build likes to abuse the HC bar, so...yeah. That can give it the edge over balanced build with a ZB/WoH monk and that sucks =P.
at Jace, didnt u play TA lately with dilda-tard and powers..? Cuz if you did, then u cant rly criticize the gayness of gothspike...
However, I wonder how HC monks can stop a shove spike (predicting that the ranger has high ping). Divine intervention..?

Teh Jace · Feb 26, 2008, 10:53 AM // 10:53

Recently we got rolled by pure oldschool balanced build with nec (we had ZB monk though, not the HC one) so yes nec might be still viable. But remember nec fell out of meta before introduction of HC monks. The real problem has been bugged spotless mind which makes nec almost useless sometimes (vs decent ranger it takes some time to put hexes on and in the end ur effort was useless cuz of the spotless bug).

I like odschool balanced more than 2 warrs but the fact is u need raw power to deal with recent gimmicks.

HC monk alone is not a real threat. They are very limited (no prot, vulnerable to spike). They can keep up their mates but not themselves. Few deb shot wont allow them to use any stance, dshot on dw kiss hits them hard. But they usually have some backup healer which makes them strong

Cant wait for 10 energy for HC. All these spammers will revert to regular monks and start sucking again

back to the topic

I rarely meet shove spike with orange ping. Im bitching cuz I think this build is broken not cuz I cry after every loss to whatever. And I would like to see more glad3-4 ppl trying balanced than all these farmes who hit g8 and start playing balanced after to wash their sins. Its like... OH YEAH I HIT HIGH RANK THANKS TO GIMMICKS THUS NOW RANKED GUYS WILL INVITE ME TO THEIR LEET BALANCED GRPS ZOMG. I can see the same state in HA. Heroway farmers with r9 dont play heroway anymore. They have r9 so they are strong and competent to run balanced. This is more rank discrimination problem than anything else.

Balanced = good guys
Gimmick = bad guys

and there is nothing u can do about it popo

the_deSKtructor · Feb 26, 2008, 11:46 AM // 11:46

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Originally Posted by urania

On a different note, i think that even if the goth spike gets a kill through the necro needs to do his/her best to snare them during a spike and it should be fine from there on, if u can keep the pressure up. Hell, ill never say 2 warrs+ranger are better to 1 nec instead of a warr simply because that necro template can adjust very well to a wide variety of builds, even tho it may be weak against certain builds.

No need to snare them during the spike, just check where they used shadow walk and wait for them there. This works not only for any kind of low ranged snares, but it works for wars too, when they come back use the kd and start pressuring them. If u did the job right then they will have a lot less time to run because they will have to heal.

Popo · Feb 26, 2008, 10:39 PM // 22:39

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By the very second post in this thread, you had told people they were "whining," "making excuses," "crying," "bitching," "suck," "unskilled," etc. for voicing a legitimate complaint about latency? Don't use your "join date" as a defense. You've made a grand total of seventeen posts in the last year and a half, and most of them are nonsubstantive; thirteen of them are in the last four months. If you think for a second post date relates to experience and playtime, and consequently competence, you're going to be very unpleasantly surprised, especially in relation to Jace.

I don't post on these forums very much because most of it is garbage just like this thread. I do, however, read many of the discussions on a weekly basis.

Calling people out for whining and making excuses is not an insult. However, saying that "I need to play the game" or "I should gvg" or whatever comment you people make about me (without sufficient evidence of course) is intended to be an insult. The join date is simply an indicator of how long I've been playing considering how quickly you simpletons are to call out other people's experience in the game. It's commonplace on this forum that when people disagree they get called inexperienced and that is exactly what happened after the first time I posted in this thread.

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Balanced = good guys
Gimmick = bad guys

There are no good guys or bad guys. This isn't some WWF vs WCW feud. In the end it all comes down to the ability to create builds with high win %. One of the main problems people have is the inability to adapt to new ways of winning. This is why people have to blame gimmicks and latency. This whole situation is solved by simply finding the right combination of skills. In cases where it cannot be solved by that, that is when a skill nerf (or balance) is needed. Give it some time and someone will find out some highly effective "balanced" combination and all you guys who hate "gimmicks" will flock to it like you made it yourself.

And for all of your information, I don't give a shit about this build or other builds that warrant a gimmick tag. I just dislike the amount of unnecessary bitching that people do just because they don't like playing against certain builds even if they aren't overpowered. I've said it before and I'll say it again, the current balanced build>this. (which is another point people such as jace like to ignore)

Teh Jace · Feb 27, 2008, 12:49 AM // 00:49

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Originally Posted by Popo

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lol this is going nowhere. I alrdy said what I wanted to say so I give up...
U dont have to post ur ingame nick if u dont want to. Just out of curiosity - who are u?

at karla : yes I played with power and dadila (I guess u meaned these two guys) and I have no problem with it at all. Should I? Isn't it irony u hate ppl who helped u to farm glad9 (like pagore and all these EDA users)? So could u be more specific in details regarding ur problem?

Seraphim of Chaos · Feb 27, 2008, 01:25 AM // 01:25

HC monks could use Supportive Spirit I guess. >>

Edit: My god, I'm a genius.

urania · Feb 27, 2008, 06:57 AM // 06:57

at popo, check out MY join date. =p
funny thing is, i started pvping after about half a year after getting into GW so the date is hardly relevant to my actual exp (tho i did play ta over a year now).

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One of the main problems people have is the inability to adapt to new ways of winning.

if you like to bash on ur targets mindlessly and only use make-red-bars-go-up strategy then go for it. as for my part, I dont and never will and i will qq and whine about the high % of builds forcing one to do exactly that in the hope sth will get changed over time (which it prolly wont, but oh well).

at Jace, the eda I played with can in no ways be compared to the eda today. we used a p/d with 0 covers, which means i always had to cover it with PROTECTIVE SPIRIT (-.-'). nevertheless, it was still strong and could shut down a physical in the opposing team all too well. moreover, i had to play prolly the worst build that ta had ever seen.
moreover #2, dilda and powers are notorious for gayass gimmicks, but that is not the main problem...the most annoying thing is that they actually think they are GOOD when they run frenzy sin, eda, multiple daze, frenzied df, prenerf spirit pooping builds with hex overload. same old story with ppl farming their way up with gimmicks and then trying to pretend they can run balanced builds too, yet once they see they fail they revert to their old ways pretty fast.

zola · Feb 27, 2008, 12:31 PM // 12:31

nerf testosterone

moko · Feb 27, 2008, 04:00 PM // 16:00

ta drama shall continue somewhere else now. :>