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tigros · Feb 05, 2008, 04:19 PM // 16:19

I totally agree

(with the guy that started a thread but got deleted in the meanwhile)

What drives you to play (competitive) Guild Wars?

The fun part is that the stirred up topic is indeed at the root of the whole gaming behavior but most people are too blind to see through it

(or beyond it)...

If you look at your real life... what is it that drives it? What is that drives the humankind? People (studies) say that the ultimate goal is Happiness... What drives you to play a game? Aren't you trying to ultimately be/feel happy?

Going back to the Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs:

Physiological Needs -> Safety Needs -> Love/Belonging Needs -> Self Esteem -> Self Actualization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow's_hierarchy_of_needs)

"The first four layers of the pyramid are what Maslow called "deficiency needs" or "D-needs": the individual does not feel anything if they are met, but feels anxious if they are not met. The deficiency needs are: Physiological, Safety needs, Love/Belonging, and Esteem needs."

Where does gaming belong to? I'd say is all about Esteem... what do you say?

What happens when you play a game and you win? "self esteem, confidence, achievement, respect of others (not rly here lol), respect by others". What happens if you lose? Isn't it anxiety what drives us when we complain about anything and everything?

Where are you in the scheme if you don't play to win or to achieve? Can you really say that you reach the self actualization phase? Some may... most don't... cause they lack "morality, creativity, lack of prejudice, acceptance of facts, etc"...

Yeah I know this is just one model and it has its flaws... but as someone said in the other thread, it's more research put into it than years in your lives so you should have at least that much respect of others and their work...

especially when your (our) contributions to this world are nowhere near this...

Peace

Lord Nibiru · Feb 05, 2008, 05:32 PM // 17:32

What drives you to play (competitive) Guild Wars?

--------- because i want have fun?..........
no other things,why you are watching TV or read a book?
--------- because you want kill time while haveing fun

hurdlebeast · Feb 05, 2008, 06:02 PM // 18:02

ummm....it's free....

tigros · Feb 05, 2008, 06:04 PM // 18:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord Nibiru

What drives you to play (competitive) Guild Wars?

--------- because i want have fun?..........
no other things,why you are watching TV or read a book?
--------- because you want kill time while haveing fun

Competitive GW: http://www.guildwars.com/competitive/default.php = PVP

yet, even though we're talking about competitive Guild Wars (PVP, GvG, HvH, etc)...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red_Dragon56

I play to have fun.

Winning does not equal Fun

Yet what makes you happy? How do you define fun (what is the fun you play for)?

Quote:

Originally Posted by enter_the_zone

Truly caring about winning in an online game = epic life /fail

Gaming should be fun, not taken seriously.

Yet we spend thousands of hours playing GW, some even more than 8hrs / day (equivalent to a regular job)... However, some win and have a real life also...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metalmaster

You can't "win" anything in PvE, if you think otherwise you are just fooling yourself.

Yet we grind for titles, rare items, gold, armor, etc and look up to "God Walking Among Mere Mortals"... (for example) Would you give up everything you have "won" in PVE just to prove you are not fooling yourself?

Quote:

Originally Posted by arcanemacabre

That and: "serious PvP career" is such an oxymoron. E-sport is a joke, period.

Yet still people play for rank (char & guild), money, recognition, prestige, fame, you name it... (not just GW, games in general)

Quote:

Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

Booring. I don't play to win. I play to have fun. If I don't have fun, it's like losing.

LOL? If I don't have fun (i.e. win), it's like losing. DOH?

Quote:

Originally Posted by bpphantom

I play to have fun, enjoy a game and relax. In some cases that means finally smashing through a razzlefraggin mission that's been giving me a hard time by using Ursan, Meh. So be it.

In the other cases it means what?

What is the final outcome of your game play? Do you win something by any chance?

Quote:

Originally Posted by DreamRunner

Winning is just a part of the reason why people play. People are not just playing to win, if people did just that, some would find them weird and also quite stupid, illogical mentality. People also play to interact or socialize with others, to have fun and to escape the real world.

Are people forgetting that games are a part of entertainment?

Yet what are you doing with those others you have fun and socialize with? Do you play together? To what end? Did you "win" (aka gain) buddies, friends, etc? Are you more enriched through your socializing experience?

What is number one recommendation of competitive players? Build up a friend list... that way you have more chances to play balanced HoH, higher ranked GvG, etc... that is... more chances to win...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Longasc

If you know you will win, you cannot really win anymore. It is a shallow victory.

Yet people admit having fun rolling noobs or killing with ease an unprepared pvp opponent... You like to have fun but not to win?

Isn't winning fun?

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkNecrid

Playing a competitive game, and not trying to win, is griefing.

Yes, I think this is why people in the GVG Forum are talking about "high-level GVG experience" - because they are trying to win, and if they don't, they grief... (I guess ppl can flame me for this - btw, Have you heard [Me] grief about Sineptitude this month? Why not? Cause they won with it?)

I think that the answer should be more or less the same for everyone:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaida the Heartless

Everyone is playing to "win". Let me give you a few definitions from dictionary.com, just incase anyone is confused:

2. to succeed by striving or effort
3. to gain the victory; overcome an adversary
4. to succeed in reaching (a place, condition, etc.), esp. by great effort
5. to get by effort, as through labor, competition, or conquest
6. to gain (a prize, fame, etc.).
7. to be successful in (a game, battle, etc.)

The bottom line is: Winning is successful, and people like to be successful. People like to win. If you're telling yourself anything different, you're going against a number of years of research greater than those of your own existence.

If you guys think differently are free to argument your positions (just saying you play for fun does not fit here as a valid argument).

PS I just remembered

what is the standard short answer when someone screws up?
[strong]"/fail"[/strong]
What's the opposite of it that everyone who doesn't fail achieves?

Ec]-[oMaN · Feb 05, 2008, 06:11 PM // 18:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by tigros

If you guys think differently are free to argument your positions (just saying you play for fun does not fit here as a valid argument).

because fun/happiness usually is a by factor and comes last in the chain of what you do, and why.

Happiness is seen as the end result, it's the steps before that happiness is reached which are different. Pretty sure most of the players in this forum will tell you that competition and beating people within the same boat is just one reason why they play GW PvP. The competitive nature is all about Esteem, people want to be #1, or be the first to do something, accomplish a task/goal, so on and so on...

wuzzman · Feb 05, 2008, 07:46 PM // 19:46

lack of dual core

elektra_lucia · Feb 05, 2008, 07:49 PM // 19:49

Fun being a noob. Then became an addiction. As for competitive... Meh. I don't really have this burning rage to be great at the moment. I think it's just more like an addiction to be honest.

That and a crap pc.

Orange Milk · Feb 05, 2008, 08:03 PM // 20:03

Dual Core Duo FTW

Getting Glad 4 drives me,

Then getting Glad 5 will

Also E-sports are fun, some of us have gotten older and become rather sore for several days after RL sports, I played Football and Baseball in High school and Football in college and console Sports games are too easy, So naturally competitive people find ways to compete. LIke playing soccer now cause unless your SOOPER good theres no more football after schools done with.

I don't take it all super serious like though, if I did I would not have a GF or Seasons Tickets to The Blue Jackets or play in 3 soccer leagues a year, (used to be 5, but yeah, my body has begun to complain too much.)

oh yah, and if PvE titles and such are your thing, so be it, do what makes you happy, just don't live in the game.

elektra_lucia · Feb 05, 2008, 09:02 PM // 21:02

Why would you not have a girlfriend if you took GW serious? Get a new girlfriend to be honest. Serious too.

Captain Robo · Feb 05, 2008, 09:11 PM // 21:11

I play Guild Wars for the chicks.

StormDragonZ · Feb 05, 2008, 09:28 PM // 21:28

1) It's free. Simple as can be, I want to pay for a game once.

2) I have a girlfriend who plays Guild Wars, but for the time being, she's elsewhere outside the state for school/college. Since I can't spend time with her, this is the next best thing besides phone calls.

3) Nothing else better to do. I currently graduated from college and I've been sitting for some time now waiting on job applications among other things. If I'm not playing God of War 2, I'm playing GW, and if not that either, I'm sure something around the house needs to be cleaned.