Curse

Elu Arina · Mar 04, 2008, 03:22 PM // 15:22

You can't prot this spike. The amount of enchant removal is just too much. Positioning doesn't mean anything against this spike either because they can teleport. If you see it coming, prekite and otherwise do everything you should, you still die when they shadow step. It's way too imba.

Edit: fixed misspelling

The Blade From Hell · Mar 04, 2008, 05:47 PM // 17:47

Its not just the fact that the spike does a lot of damage, say you manage to infuse it then what? I doubt your going to manage breaking through a motigon and b-surge as the midline defense while being able to deal with the pressure and spike. The whole thing in general is ridiculous and somehow needs a nerf.

Billiard · Mar 04, 2008, 06:03 PM // 18:03

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Originally Posted by Andrew Patrick

Izzy tells me Derv Spike AND Sinsplit will both be addressed in this weeks update. Once that goes live, we will be gathering feedback to assess any reverts or additions that are needed.

Guess no need for me to uninstall then! Can't wait to see these Andrew.

JR · Mar 04, 2008, 06:50 PM // 18:50

Kaon · Mar 04, 2008, 06:54 PM // 18:54

Did Heart of Ashes and Dust just kick I Dervspike I? qq i guess its definately out of hand.

Yue · Mar 04, 2008, 06:57 PM // 18:57

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Originally Posted by romO

You can't bring 8 characters into RA.

Anyway,
D/A melandru/balth Chilling+pious+eremites, death charge, grenth aura, attackers insight, guided hands
D/A melandru/balth Chilling+pious+eremites, death charge, grenth aura, attackers insight, guided hands
E/Rt water or air (bsurge) with ancestors rage
P/W motigon
Me/x enchanters conundrum dom mes
Mo/E SoD
Mo/E WoH or HB
Mo/D, E/Mo, or Rt/A flag runner

Or just go into any obs mode match and watch the build there.

It's actually pretty ridiculous in RA too.

iamagod1 · Mar 05, 2008, 06:25 AM // 06:25

My guilds been running dervspike since before pious got changed and AoB dervs became popular. I can honestly say that after the change our spike has gotten kills much more often and become more effective. Does it do more damage than our old AoM dervspike with wearying, not really. Does it make preprotting almost worthless yes, and thats why its so annoying.

If you want to stop dervspike bsurge works best at first, however mes can often sig hum him or divert bsurge. What has been most effective against us actually was those MB E/* that happen to use blinding flash. As its non elite sig cant catch it, and its much harder to divert bc it isnt spammed.

Ive monked against a few new dervspikes as well, and most of them were easily rolled by us however one of them was probably the best spike team i have ever infused against. Im not sure how it was even possible but they were clean spiking ppl in what had to be under .5 seconds. Preprots wernt doing anything. I don't mind spikes but i prefer facing teams that are protable, or at least run a ton of squishies like necro spikes and ele spikes heh.

Should pious or grenths get a nerf, yeah ill say sure. Should it get nerfed into the ground? No because in reality it isn't that overpowered, the enchant rip is the only problem imo. Make its recharge longer, or make it so it cant be taken off by pious and problem solved.

RhanoctJocosa · Mar 05, 2008, 08:37 AM // 08:37

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Originally Posted by iamagod1

Should pious or grenths get a nerf, yeah ill say sure. Should it get nerfed into the ground? No because in reality it isn't that overpowered, the enchant rip is the only problem imo. Make its recharge longer, or make it so it cant be taken off by pious and problem solved.

It's still a shit build which I hope Izzy lod's

Akaraxle · Mar 05, 2008, 09:09 AM // 09:09

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Originally Posted by RhanoctJocosa

It's still a shit build which I hope Izzy lod's

You mean Ether Renewal's.

Monk Gsb · Mar 05, 2008, 09:22 AM // 09:22

there taking advantage of pious assult and grenths aura. as soon as either gets nerfed they will go back to sin split.

JR · Mar 05, 2008, 01:53 PM // 13:53

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Originally Posted by Monk Gsb

there taking advantage of pious assult and grenths aura. as soon as either gets nerfed they will go back to sin split.

Unless that gets nerfed too!

Ec]-[oMaN · Mar 05, 2008, 05:09 PM // 17:09

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Originally Posted by JR

Unless that gets nerfed too!

Can't wait to see what they actually touch this update, both derv and sin wise. Judging from past balances it's either nerfs into the ground, tweaks to non problem skills within the builds as a whole or down right(deleting skills from seeing play) while buffing other shit skills forcing an inevitable meta based on the crap that gets buffed...

Shendaar · Mar 05, 2008, 07:03 PM // 19:03

Make it so Pious Assault makes you lose a stance instead of an enchantment. Kill the the whole Grenth+Pious combo along with the R/D crap at the same time.

Patrick Smit · Mar 05, 2008, 09:25 PM // 21:25

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Originally Posted by Billiard

Guess no need for me to uninstall then! Can't wait to see these Andrew.

He said they are gonna remove non-core professions? I'd love to see that

Riotgear · Mar 05, 2008, 10:40 PM // 22:40

Pious Assault seems like it should really be fine without the fast activation. The energy cost seems like enough of a way to prevent abuse by itself, the problem is primarily Grenth's Aura working far too conveniently with it and Attacker's Insight making the cost of it and Chilling Victory moot with no real attribute investment.

Vanquisher · Mar 05, 2008, 10:51 PM // 22:51

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Originally Posted by Akaraxle

You mean Ether Renewal's.

Or Unnatural Signet's (the beta version).

Monk Gsb · Mar 06, 2008, 10:09 AM // 10:09

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Originally Posted by JR

Unless that gets nerfed too!

no because that means anet acctualy listen to us.... and that would be sacrilege lol.

Nimble Night · Mar 06, 2008, 04:58 PM // 16:58

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Originally Posted by iamagod1

Does it do more damage than our old AoM dervspike with wearying, not really.

I'd just like to point out that it does do more damamge that the previous AoM spikes with wearying. Due to pious assaults odd cast time it allows chilling + pious + eremites which does more damage than the previous wearying + eremites. The whole combo being powered by attackers insight.

Elean · Mar 06, 2008, 06:28 PM // 18:28

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Originally Posted by Shendaar

Make it so Pious Assault makes you lose a stance instead of an enchantment. Kill the the whole Grenth+Pious combo along with the R/D crap at the same time.

That would probably help stopping Grenth's Aura (although there'd still be Pious Fury you could use), but it wouldn't fit in the line of "Pious" skills (ie Pious Haste, Pious Fury, etc.), which all make you lose an enchantment.

Like others have already said, I think with the fast activation removed, Pious Assault would be fine. Dervspike wouldn't though, that would require Attacker's Insight and Grenth's Aura to be hit, too.. Increasing the recharge on Grenth's Aura to 20 and making Attacker's Insight require more of an attribute investment for the 2 attacks and 10+ energy reduction could help. Grenth's Aura would probably need something more to it than just the increased recharge, though, since it wouldn't really change the functionality in any way.

I Angra I · Mar 06, 2008, 06:41 PM // 18:41

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Originally Posted by Elean

That would probably help stopping Grenth's Aura (although there'd still be Pious Fury you could use), but it wouldn't fit in the line of "Pious" skills (ie Pious Haste, Pious Fury, etc.), which all make you lose an enchantment.

Like others have already said, I think with the fast activation removed, Pious Assault would be fine. Dervspike wouldn't though, that would require Attacker's Insight and Grenth's Aura to be hit, too.. Increasing the recharge on Grenth's Aura to 20 and making Attacker's Insight require more of an attribute investment for the 2 attacks and 10+ energy reduction could help. Grenth's Aura would probably need something more to it than just the increased recharge, though, since it wouldn't really change the functionality in any way.

To really get rid of Grenth's Aura, it could just be changed to remove enchants upon activation rather than when it wears off like other people have mentioned. Or just have a super long recharge.

I also agree with the higher attribute investment for Attacker's Insight. Have the 2 attack cutoff a lot higher, so minimal spec will only be one attack.