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Teh Jace · Mar 07, 2008, 08:06 PM // 20:06

at popo : Are u his/her secretary? I think he/she is mature enough to express his/her thoughts.

Be it TA or HA, ur posts are always the same. Ur posts always contain words like ignorace or aggorance, always standing against the majority like a pro leet rebel. But the problem is u are wrong most of the time with silly arguments u just make up.

-I don't even have to agree with Unknown on the opinions expressed to realize how ridiculous the actions others have taken are.-
U rly should read posts here again u are obviously missing the point as always.

Unknown, I think I didnt offend u at all and if so I apologize. My opinion is this and similar brainless stuff dont do any good to TA, end of story.

valence · Mar 07, 2008, 08:08 PM // 20:08

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Originally Posted by urania

at jace, sometimes its hard to kill even with HC being completely shutdown...had to experience that once with my ra team. somehow the rit managed to keep up with the healing merely by using weapon of shadow, weapon of warding and blind was xy along with the few heal spells the build has (it was a 2 derv spike build), so reserving a shame for the smiter or rit is a must, i guess...which leaves the hc spammer alone for a few secs to spam away =P

Have you tried the fast cast elite, that reward spammers with exhaustion?

yum · Mar 07, 2008, 08:09 PM // 20:09

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Originally Posted by Popo

Ugh, another thread where people can't handle others disagreeing. That's not elitism, that's ignorance.

It's painfully obvious you guys are ignoring Unkown's arguments and are simply resorting to straw man fallacies because you dislike the position he's (or she) has taken.

Unknown is not saying "ZOMG IT'S JUST A GAME LETS NUBZZ PLAY." That is not even close to the main point of his argument so it's not only unnecessary, but innacurate to put so much emphasis on such a small portion of the posts.

Unknown has already conceded it takes less skill to play the build, but has also emphasized the opinion that HC monks have their flaws that cannot be remedied by mindless spamming and that is the balancing factor. Namely, they do not posses the ability to prot like other monks, and their main condition/hex removal are enchantments limited to one other ally.

I don't even have to agree with Unknown on the opinions expressed to realize how ridiculous the actions others have taken are.

If a build run by a group of scrubs takes an experienced friends group to beat, that build is problematic.

See the old taintedway in HA.

Popo · Mar 07, 2008, 08:22 PM // 20:22

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at popo : Are u his/her secretary? I think he/she is mature enough to express his/her thoughts.

Be it TA or HA, ur posts are always the same. Ur posts always contain words like ignorace or aggorance, always standing against the majority like a pro leet rebel. But the problem is u are wrong most of the time with silly arguments u just make up.

Not only untrue, but unnecessary like much of what you post. Quit resorting to flames FOR EVERYTHING. I only stand against the majority when the majority is an annoying group of flamers. ie your group.

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If a build run by a group of scrubs takes an experienced friends group to beat, that build is problematic.

See the old taintedway in HA.

I agree and never did I state otherwise.

valence · Mar 07, 2008, 08:28 PM // 20:28

besides that the hc no prot argument is flawed. you want prot couse it prevents more damage then you can heal up. hc has so much healing power, that it heals more then a guardian often can negate.

that leaves spikes or heavy pressure spikes open, to bad a second monk is there that prevent a good spike by anti kd or enough heal to keep anyone alive long enough.

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Originally Posted by Popo

Unknown has already conceded it takes less skill to play the build, but has also emphasized the opinion that HC monks have their flaws that cannot be remedied by mindless spamming and that is the balancing factor. Namely, they do not posses the ability to prot like other monks, and their main condition/hex removal are enchantments limited to one other ally.

No it isn't, read the skill. it is balanced since it heals for less. the drawback is 100% negated. That makes it extremely sick. You CAN take guardian on a HC monk just fine and you have the atts to spend on prot. You dont do it couse you dont need it.

Popo · Mar 07, 2008, 08:34 PM // 20:34

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Originally Posted by valence

besides that the hc no prot argument is flawed. you want prot couse it prevents more damage then you can heal up. hc has so much healing power, that it heals more then a guardian often can negate.

that leaves spikes or heavy pressure spikes open, to bad a second monk is there that prevent a good spike by anti kd or enough heal to keep anyone alive long enough.

No it isn't, read the skill. it is balanced since it heals for less. the drawback is 100% negated. That makes it extremely sick. You CAN take guardian on a HC monk just fine and you have the atts to spend on prot. You dont do it couse you dont need it.

I didn't say i agreed with the arguments why do you assume this?

the_deSKtructor · Mar 07, 2008, 09:11 PM // 21:11

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Originally Posted by valence

Have you tried the fast cast elite, that reward spammers with exhaustion?

that wouldn't work, cause of CoP

RhanoctJocosa · Mar 07, 2008, 09:15 PM // 21:15

And arguing about something you have no clue about isn't ignorance? Gtfo

The Unknown X · Mar 07, 2008, 09:22 PM // 21:22

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Originally Posted by urania

you have just succeeded in completely discrediting all of your past as well as future posts.

you're a typical oh-how-unfair-it-is-to-get-owned-by-exp-player pve begginner who prefer to qq about (often imaginitive ^_^) elitism instead of trying to learn how to improve.

a) What makes you think I'm a PvE player?

b) The very fact that you say I have discredited all pasts posts and future posts(Which is in your head, son) is a form of elitism basically the fact that you actually believe that and say it.

c) I already told you to get down from your pedastal and your still up there trying to act like your something special...You're good at a game gratz to you.

Popo · Mar 07, 2008, 09:27 PM // 21:27

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Originally Posted by RhanoctJocosa

And arguing about something you have no clue about isn't ignorance? Gtfo

Who is this even directed towards? If you're going to insult somebody at least make it clear who you are speaking to. If you're trying to insult me then you clearly aren't paying very much attention because I've argued no point about HC (and even if I was, my post would be a lot more informed than yours). I've simply pointed out how blatantly people ignore the objective points Uknown has argued and focus on the subjective points because they are flaming trolls. Ignoring what the other person is saying equals ignorance, hence why my statement was justified.

urania · Mar 07, 2008, 09:35 PM // 21:35

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Originally Posted by valence

Have you tried the fast cast elite, that reward spammers with exhaustion?

CoP =\
unless i completely strip their enchants and possibly cover the hex with sth so that the smiter wont remove it, it could work, but somehow i dont see it viewable in a normal balanced build.
id need to try it tho.

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Originally Posted by Popo

Ugh, another thread where people can't handle others disagreeing. That's not elitism, that's ignorance.

It's painfully obvious you guys are ignoring Unkown's arguments and are simply resorting to straw man fallacies because you dislike the position he's (or she) has taken.

Unknown is not saying "ZOMG IT'S JUST A GAME LETS NUBZZ PLAY." That is not even close to the main point of his argument so it's not only unnecessary, but innacurate to put so much emphasis on such a small portion of the posts.

Unknown has already conceded it takes less skill to play the build, but has also emphasized the opinion that HC monks have their flaws that cannot be remedied by mindless spamming and that is the balancing factor. Namely, they do not posses the ability to prot like other monks, and their main condition/hex removal are enchantments limited to one other ally.

I don't even have to agree with Unknown on the opinions expressed to realize how ridiculous the actions others have taken are.

ohi popo, battling on 2 battlefields now?

funny how u're discrediting the poor guy even more.

"Unknown is not saying "ZOMG IT'S JUST A GAME LETS NUBZZ PLAY." orriry..?

lemme quote parts of his posts:

1)Running an HC isn't abuse for starters. Its just another build and it has it's own downfalls. You talk about how the condition removal is good. It is good but only on one player for 12 seconds. I agree that the build is mostly spam whilst being able to maintain energy and that requires a lack of skill. Yet it's a great build for new players to get to grips with when their learning to Monk. Atleast it gives them a fighting chance to enjoy the game without getting mashed by players that have been playing since the game first came out.
^GO PVE for that.

2)The game should be about enjoyment. Not reward.

Putting an inexperienced HC Monk against a very experienced Prot Monk (In a theoretical situation lets say both teams had the same offense) I would put my money on the team with the Prot Monk. The HC would just last longer than he normally would, therefore getting in more experience. Maybe I'm wrong on this I don't know and I don't care this is just what I think.

so in other words, inexp players get disencouraged when "mashed" by exp ones so they "should" resort to such builds so that the game will make more fun because they can last longer vs good teams and learn sth out of it?

RIGHT.

wur are u, popo? a kind of a beginner-protector fairy? or do u just like to argue? like in a gvg related thread ive been following lately (pretty epic).

or just really wanting to boast ur imaginitive "intelectual" posting skills which more or less consist out of "u're narrowminded and ignorant" arguments?

RhanoctJocosa · Mar 07, 2008, 09:39 PM // 21:39

I was referring to your post, but talking about the unknown (c wut i did thar).

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Originally Posted by The Unknown X

a) What makes you think I'm a PvE player?

b) The very fact that you say I have discredited all pasts posts and future posts(Which is in your head, son) is a form of elitism basically the fact that you actually believe that and say it.

c) I already told you to get down from your pedastal and your still up there trying to act like your something special...You're good at a game gratz to you.

If I may,
a)Your arguments reflect a lack of PvP knowledge and understanding.
b)You have; everyone knows you're just a scrub who likes mindless shit now or a troll who just wants to mess with PvPers with an issue that everyone gets worked up on.
c)You're bad at a game, grats to you.

Gonna play a condi pressure build later today and I'll post results if we come up against a dual monk team; rip enchant yes plz <3

The Unknown X · Mar 07, 2008, 09:45 PM // 21:45

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Originally Posted by RhanoctJocosa

I was referring to your post, but talking about the unknown (c wut i did thar).

If I may,
a)Your arguments reflect a lack of PvP knowledge and understanding.
b)You have; everyone knows you're just a scrub who likes mindless shit now or a troll who just wants to mess with PvPers with an issue that everyone gets worked up on.
c)You're bad at a game, grats to you.

Gonna play a condi pressure build later today and I'll post results if we come up against a dual monk team; rip enchant yes plz <3

We're talking about assuming I'm a PvE player. I could just be a PvP player with limited experience that started playing yesterday, don't you think.

Another assumption being that I'm bad at the game. Did I ever play with or against you...?

Trolls name call and flame other players. Admittedly I was nasty to Jace which I apologised for. You on the other hand are making personal attacks and name-calling.

Try harder please.

urania · Mar 07, 2008, 09:51 PM // 21:51

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Originally Posted by The Unknown X

I could just be a PvP player with limited experience that started playing yesterday, don't you think.

dropping the attitude i highlighted in my post where i quoted parts of ur past posts is the 1st step towards improvement, my dear <3

and as far as popo is concerned, he just likes going against the majority i guess. not that i mind it, but when the majoriy happens to have right (and it certainly has right in this case, HC needs to die) thats a pretty silly thing to do =P

RhanoctJocosa · Mar 07, 2008, 09:53 PM // 21:53

If you were a PvP player with limited experience that started playing yesterday why the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO are you in a forum arguing stupid shit with people who know more than you?

The Unknown X · Mar 07, 2008, 09:56 PM // 21:56

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Originally Posted by urania

dropping the attitude i highlighted in my post where i quoted parts of ur past posts is the 1st step towards improvement, my dear <3

and as far as popo is concerned, he just likes going against the majority i guess. not that i mind it, but when the majoriy happens to have right (and it certainly has right in this case, HC needs to die) thats a pretty silly thing to do =P

Don't take it literally I didn't start playing the game yesterday..I guess I shouldn't argue with idiots, they'll bring me down to their level and beat me with experience.

I'm pointing out the fact that you base what you're saying about me on no facts whatsoever. You don't know who I am and I don't care who you are. I don't care how good you are, or how impressive you are at the game. The fact is in a round about way this is what you're saying:

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Originally Posted by Sab

whoru?

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Originally Posted by urania

u arent from around here, are ya, buddy?

"Who are you? You can't have an opinion here."

"Go PvE"

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Originally Posted by urania

^GO PVE for that.

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Originally Posted by RhanoctJocosa

If I may,

b)You have; everyone knows you're just a scrub who likes mindless shit now or a troll who just wants to mess with PvPers with an issue that everyone gets worked up on.

Credit to you for fitting all that bullshit in one sentence.

"Scrub" & "Troll"

Nice community, what a joke.

Popo · Mar 07, 2008, 10:07 PM // 22:07

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Originally Posted by urania

CoP =\
unless i completely strip their enchants and possibly cover the hex with sth so that the smiter wont remove it, it could work, but somehow i dont see it viewable in a normal balanced build.
id need to try it tho.

ohi popo, battling on 2 battlefields now?

funny how u're discrediting the poor guy even more.

"Unknown is not saying "ZOMG IT'S JUST A GAME LETS NUBZZ PLAY." orriry..?

lemme quote parts of his posts:

1)Running an HC isn't abuse for starters. Its just another build and it has it's own downfalls. You talk about how the condition removal is good. It is good but only on one player for 12 seconds. I agree that the build is mostly spam whilst being able to maintain energy and that requires a lack of skill. Yet it's a great build for new players to get to grips with when their learning to Monk. Atleast it gives them a fighting chance to enjoy the game without getting mashed by players that have been playing since the game first came out.
^GO PVE for that.

2)The game should be about enjoyment. Not reward.

Putting an inexperienced HC Monk against a very experienced Prot Monk (In a theoretical situation lets say both teams had the same offense) I would put my money on the team with the Prot Monk. The HC would just last longer than he normally would, therefore getting in more experience. Maybe I'm wrong on this I don't know and I don't care this is just what I think.

so in other words, inexp players get disencouraged when "mashed" by exp ones so they "should" resort to such builds so that the game will make more fun because they can last longer vs good teams and learn sth out of it?

RIGHT.

wur are u, popo? a kind of a beginner-protector fairy? or do u just like to argue? like in a gvg related thread ive been following lately (pretty epic).

or just really wanting to boast ur imaginitive "intelectual" posting skills which more or less consist out of "u're narrowminded and ignorant" arguments?

I enjoy debates, this is true. I don't like debates where one idiot is flaming other people and focusing on little tiny tidbits of a post like you just did. I already qualified my post by saying you guys are focusing on small, subjective parts of his post instead of focusing on the more important and objective parts. I decided to clarify those points he made (even though I don't necessarily agree with them) and it's hilarious that you would lash out at me in such a way. The fact that you lash out against any type of rationale indicates to me that you are ridiculously insecure about your own intelligence. It's like a cycle people like you have created for these forums. One person says something, another person disagrees, then the other lashes out and resorts to flames and other unwarranted attacks on experience. If people like you would just stick to the arguments things like this would not happen.

Also, since you alluded to the other thread. This same cycle I'm speaking of happened there as well. Almost every person who agreed with Gale being 5 energy relied completely on saying the other person is inexperienced just because their other arguments weren't powerful enough to sway others into believing the same thing they did.

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or just really wanting to boast ur imaginitive "intelectual" posting skills which more or less consist out of "u're narrowminded and ignorant" arguments?

Once again, I do not call anyone narrowminded or ignorant without any evidence. For you to say that about me without providing the full story actually proves my point even further.

urania · Mar 07, 2008, 11:43 PM // 23:43

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Originally Posted by Popo

I enjoy debates, this is true. I don't like debates where one idiot is flaming other people and focusing on little tiny tidbits of a post like you just did. I already qualified my post by saying you guys are focusing on small, subjective parts of his post instead of focusing on the more important and objective parts. I decided to clarify those points he made (even though I don't necessarily agree with them) and it's hilarious that you would lash out at me in such a way. The fact that you lash out against any type of rationale indicates to me that you are ridiculously insecure about your own intelligence. It's like a cycle people like you have created for these forums. One person says something, another person disagrees, then the other lashes out and resorts to flames and other unwarranted attacks on experience. If people like you would just stick to the arguments things like this would not happen.

unfortunately those tiny little quote bits prove my point that he was saying exactly that. sure, he admits (i think..) that the build is vulnerable to certain things and that it doesnt demand high skill to play and yet he still finds it a good one to be given to a beginner. a completely faulted logic. why? been discussed already, read up.
u only enjoy a debate where u can argue and call ppl narrowminded, it seems

also, ur defending of the fact all classes should see a play in gvg is pretty..utopian.

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Originally Posted by Popo

Once again, I do not call anyone narrowminded or ignorant without any evidence. For you to say that about me without providing the full story actually proves my point even further.

u have no point. it seems u just like defending ppl who start a discussion they cant handle because they lack the proper background knowledge necessary in order to understand the problems involved.

anyway, at jace, u're officially a HC supporter.

I Is Special · Mar 07, 2008, 11:56 PM // 23:56

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Originally Posted by The Unknown X

Don't take it literally I didn't start playing the game yesterday..I guess I shouldn't argue with idiots, they'll bring me down to their level and beat me with experience.

I'm pointing out the fact that you base what you're saying about me on no facts whatsoever. You don't know who I am and I don't care who you are. I don't care how good you are, or how impressive you are at the game. The fact is in a round about way this is what you're saying:

"Who are you? You can't have an opinion here."

"Go PvE"

Credit to you for fitting all that bullshit in one sentence.

"Scrub" & "Troll"

Nice community, what a joke.

I'm sorry, but he just owned all of you with that. It's really sad, but quite true.

The Unknown X · Mar 07, 2008, 11:57 PM // 23:57

I seriously do get less ignorance from brick walls.

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Originally Posted by urania

sure, he admits (i think..) that the build is vulnerable to certain things and that it doesnt demand high skill to play and yet he still finds it a good one to be given to a beginner. a completely faulted logic. why? been discussed already, read up.
u only enjoy a debate where u can argue and call ppl narrowminded, it seems

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Originally Posted by The Unknown X

I also notice that you said the first thing you thought of to help your friend get into PvP Monking was give him the HC bar, so you did start out with the same theory as me until you saw the end result which I have noway of putting intoo practise.

I said that as theory and someone proved my theory wrong. I acknowledged that and admitted it. I fail to see your argument, you're just saying the same stuff over and over again and I conceded an hour ago. So just what is your problem?