Curse

Lord Xeshm · Mar 12, 2008, 04:52 AM // 04:52

I believe I have spent a fair amount of time in the PVP/PVE world of Guild Wars. I have enough money to purchase chaos gloves on a PVE character, which was easy to obtain...yet....I try to enter as many HB tournies as I can and I usually place 10-20 in the tournament gaining me not so much RP. Thus in my opinion PVP > PVE in the time and effort and maybe even skill (someones going to call me out on this one) into getting elite armors and in this case "Chaos Gloves". I approve of this thread 100%

/signed

stale · Mar 12, 2008, 07:24 AM // 07:24

/unsigned

what can i say - as a player of both forms of GW, i still prefer PvE... probably always will.

*IF* a PvP player wants the bloody chaos gloves, they should HAVE to earn deldrimor rank 5. simple. it's a requirement to craft the bloody armour.

having said that, *IF* (big bloody if, this) your PvP folks want to spend the time and effort getting the r5 deldrimor, then by all means, let them skip the cost of making the gloves, and spend their RP on them.

i accept that my monk (PVP only) will never have all the pretty armour from the expansions - i don't care, either. doesn't effect my protting at all. it would bug me to find that you could get all the pretty "PvE only" gear for doing NOTHING THAT YOU WEREN'T ALREADY. simple.

and as a reply to all the other fine folks whining one way or the other about PvE vs PvP. I PvP enough to know why most of the nerfs are happening, and in that setting, i tend to agree with them (well, mostly

) when i PvE though, the various nerfs do nothing more than piss me off. game changing skill balances in PvE almost always a bad thing.

and other than a few fence sitters like me, you'll find the kneejerk reactions (PvE takes no skillz [wrong] PvP is all about skillz [also wrong]) from most everyone.

my mesmer (who is my second most used PvP char) started life as a PvE char, and i went out and got the gloves for myself - and some nifty shades too. then back to the isles he went, since that's where i play him....

anywho, my $0.02 is simply, if you want a PvE only item, PvE for it, otherwise, stfu, eh?

Shai Lee · Mar 12, 2008, 07:54 AM // 07:54

/notsigned

I'm mainly a pve player, that's what I enjoy and that's the path I've taken in my Guild Wars play. I have friends that are the opposite and are pvp only, just like I have friends that are able to play both with equal enjoyment. If a player wants chaos gloves for their character, then I think they should be a pve/pvp player to get them. I think that is just fair for the Guild Wars player that is able to play both. We're a community that seems to have pve vs pvp debates, but there are those in our community that can do both equally. I want a pvp emote but I know I won't get one because I simply don't enjoy that aspect of Guild Wars. Does that mean I should fault those that do enjoy it and are able to /rank people and show off a cute animal? No. Just like there are pve players that enjoy maxing titles or collecting beautifully designed game armors, should I fault them because they somehow are not able to get bored to death maxing those titles or getting the materials to create what they wish? No.

For those players that are able to enjoy Guild Wars in it's entirety and play both pve/pvp equally, I think that it's nice for those types of people to play and be seen by their peers as the rare type of players that they are.

The Blade From Hell · Mar 12, 2008, 08:52 AM // 08:52

While I agree with the post above me there is still the fact that it is not convenient. I have 2 fow sets and 4 torm weps and still compete in high end pvp, that doesnt mean that just because I want pvp chaos gloves I dont enjoy both aspects. I can have a pve character.. ok so what happens when i need to change builds and runes? I should have 2 chaos gloves... I want to go HB max heroes? Its overall not so practical, and in all fairness I would not at all mind farming rank 5 deldrimor for chaos gloves, whos to say I dont already have r5 in the gwen race titles? I just feel for versatility and ease of use it should be available to pvp players, because there is no reason for it not to be except the several pvers who feel jealous and neglected... not the case at all? You guys get a lot of the updates that better the game.. pvp just gets skill nerfs which may affect you but doesnt destroy your builds? Whats the diff between rodgorts and arcane echo savannah heat? ... stop whining please.

Team Ramrod · Mar 12, 2008, 09:15 AM // 09:15

signed or not singed, this was supposed to happen a while ago, i even recall a few other threads where this was metioned. andrew patrick even said they were going to implement the eotn items at tourny npc's eventually..their just taking their sweet time.

Rekiara Malevu · Mar 12, 2008, 12:59 PM // 12:59

I support this addition, only because all I ever do related to PvP is observe matches. Anything to increase the variety of the people I'm watching is worth it to me. That and I can add some new things to my drinking game: Chaos glove, take a drink. Chaos Glove + FoW + Bandana, finish your drink.

nivelis · Mar 12, 2008, 03:43 PM // 15:43

/signed but I don't think it will happen

I have also some idea

AN keep some items available for pve-only, let them have some exclusive items

BUT

Make some special items only for pvp players! Available for many rp points or as a special rewards in bigger tournaments for best guilds.

So - players who spent many time in pve have their reward in high-end items, but best in pvp should also have their exclusive items and evryone will be happy ;p

The Blade From Hell · Mar 12, 2008, 03:56 PM // 15:56

Thing is the casual gamer can get chaos gloves with a bit of effort, the casual gamer will not make high end places in tourneys with a bit of effort, they would stand little chance even with a lot of effort so that idea wouldnt be so effective. The pros already have thier capes, its enough.

Ekelon · Mar 12, 2008, 04:51 PM // 16:51

/signed.

The original purpose of GW:EN, though, was to be PvE exclusive as I recall. But I would love it to be on PvP because my PvP assassin is really dying for some GW:EN stuff.

Faer · Mar 12, 2008, 06:46 PM // 18:46

I want Chaos Gloves for my PvP Assassin (just because). I also want PvE players to shut up about PvP. Neither will happen, but it's nice to dream, and to ask. And now it's time to go through the thread and delete all the PvP v. PvE trash that kids keep bringing into every thread. 321 /sigh spike!

Seriously, enough bickering. Either discuss the idea properly, or don't. Support it, or don't support it, and leave reasonable comments as to why you feel one way or the other. For those that had legitimate posts and replies deleted, I apologize, but it was needed to keep this thread clean and on track.

Shai Lee · Mar 12, 2008, 06:51 PM // 18:51

@The Blade From Hell

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Maybe not, once again I will say it is not convenient for pvpers to use pve weapons and armor because the runes are locked and you must buy/replace to swap builds.

A lot of things in the game are not "convenient" for everyone, but the game isn't supposed to be convenient, it's supposed to be played. I have a lot of characters that have played through the campaigns. Sometimes I do wish I didn't have to go all the way to a certain place to get the armor I like, but that doesn't mean that I wish them all to be available in the first city our newly created characters enter. As a PvE player, it isn't convenient for me to have all my armors in my pack, with different runes/insignias for the builds I need either, but I deal with it. As do many others. I'm on my 3rd ranger, after deleting the other two. I don't automatically get their old armors/skills/or town unlocks either. Why? It's a new character, she has to do these things all over again if she wants to get what my past characters had. Sure, as the player behind the character, I've done this all before. It isn't convenient to me to have to play the game all over again to get what I want. It isn't convenient for me to have to go find tomes to be able to use skills my previous 2 rangers already had.

It isn't convenient, but if it was, it wouldn't be me playing the game either.

Those are just some of my thoughts, I look forward to everyone else's.

The Blade From Hell · Mar 12, 2008, 06:59 PM // 18:59

@ Shai Lee
Perhaps what you said is true and I agree with everything you said. But there are limits I would not feel like farming 2 sets of fow or 2 chaos gloves to adapt to new builds not to mention the cost of rp is already a lot so it makes up for doing everything in pve and more. Im going to assume and it may be wrong that your previous 2 rangers did not have fow or chaos gloves lol. Anyways Ive done all youve done.. I have deleted multiple characters with vabbi simply for more slots. But just because your life isnt so convenient doesnt mean mine shouldnt be after all in the end we all strive to make our lives easier and I dont see 300rp after unlocking fancy armor something easy at all and in no way is it. But I dont see why it shouldnt be implemented and the only reason pvers can say as to why we shouldnt have it is jealousy.. Is jealousy a good reason to justify something.. I really dont think so, your life is a bit hard so mine should be too? not really, if my way is simpler than take my way?..... Thought so.

Jetdoc · Mar 12, 2008, 07:04 PM // 19:04

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Originally Posted by The Blade From Hell

But I dont see why it shouldnt be implemented and the only reason pvers can say as to why we shouldnt have it is jealousy...

I absolutely agree, but I also believe it has to be a two-way street...

If you are going to allow PvP characters to have items that are normally exclusive to PvE players, it should also be the same on the flip side: PvE players should have access to things that PvP characters only have access to (e.g. title emotes, weapons/minis that only drop from the HoH chest, etc.).

Jealousy runs both ways, unfortunately.

The Blade From Hell · Mar 12, 2008, 07:12 PM // 19:12

Well you can buy the items dropped from the HoH chest and minis... we cannot buy chaos gloves on pvp characters, you even have the right to the zaishen chest. You see the thread has lost sight i am not comparing pvp players and pve players, the initial thread began to compare the actual characters and people have lost sight of this turning it to pve vs pvp. Game mechanics allow pve chars to /rank a bambi out, ofc they do just go get it, we CANNOT by game mechanics get chaos gloves, you think im not willing to pay 75 ectos of farm deldrimor, heck thats easy I already have 75 ectos lol and deldrimor title is a few hours of grinding for me nothing big. We would however like anet to provide us with some way of obtaining these items. You can still win HoH with pve chars and open the chest.. you can still obtain titles with pve characters, but you cant get EoTN armor with pvp characters, its the mechanic and so we are asking for it to be changed.

Stockholm · Mar 12, 2008, 07:26 PM // 19:26

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Originally Posted by The Blade From Hell

Well you can buy the items dropped from the HoH chest and minis... we cannot buy chaos gloves on pvp characters, you even have the right to the zaishen chest. You see the thread has lost sight i am not comparing pvp players and pve players, the initial thread began to compare the actual characters and people have lost sight of this turning it to pve vs pvp. Game mechanics allow pve chars to /rank a bambi out, ofc they do just go get it, we CANNOT by game mechanics get chaos gloves, you think im not willing to pay 75 ectos of farm deldrimor, heck thats easy I already have 75 ectos lol and deldrimor title is a few hours of grinding for me nothing big. We would however like anet to provide us with some way of obtaining these items. You can still win HoH with pve chars and open the chest.. you can still obtain titles with pve characters, but you cant get EoTN armor with pvp characters, its the mechanic and so we are asking for it to be changed.

The PvP charr's are for the convinienc of PvP players, you can re-roll them as you see fit and still have max stats instantly, but if you want the "fancy" stuff you have to work for it.
I would not mind if you could buy a "fancy" stuff expansion pack for your PvP charr (like a PvP skill Pack) after you have unlocked it in PvP (very high req and must buy GWEN), after all A-Net don't make very much on PvP packs (compared to the amount of "work" they put in to tournaments, ladders and skill "balances"(well, not too much work on "balancing", LOL))

To me, giving it away for "free" would defete the purpose with their bussines model regarding PvP packs and such.
Let them buy the "fancy" stuff pack for $20

Jetdoc · Mar 12, 2008, 07:29 PM // 19:29

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Originally Posted by The Blade From Hell

Game mechanics allow pve chars to /rank a bambi out, ofc they do just go get it, we CANNOT by game mechanics get chaos gloves.

I guess this is the salient point that some people are pointing out in this thread...you CAN get chaos gloves for your PvP characters...if you create a PvE character and use it solely for PvP. Yes, you will need to play a little PvE to get them, but it is achievable.

I view this as the same analogy that you used - you CAN get a PvP emote if you use your PvE characters for PvP (or simply create a PvP character to be able to get that PvP emote for PvE). Yes, you will need to play a little PvP to get them, but it is achievable.

The Blade From Hell · Mar 12, 2008, 07:32 PM // 19:32

Well wrong because in your case a pve character can do both if wanted however a pvp character cannot, I like the way you played with my words but my point is clear lol. A pve char can get a rank and chaos gloves a pvp char can get rank but no chaos gloves... see my point. Don't change it around because this is what the thread was about.

Shai Lee · Mar 12, 2008, 07:35 PM // 19:35

@The Blade From Hell

It isn't about jealousy or making anyone's life harder or easier than any other, it's about playing the game in the different ways it can be played. True, my previous two rangers didn't have FoW/Chaos gloves, but they did have several 15k sets of armors.

And of course, by the current game mechanics you CANNOT get chaos gloves on a pvp character, but at the same time, don't you think that's incentive to try to play as a pve character to get the things you want? Guild Wars is diverse, sure we have players that stick to a certain style of game-play (exclusive pve or pvp) but I think that Anet also puts incentives into the game so that we'll try other things. If they made chaos gloves available to pvp characters, then that's not helping you get out and explore other aspects of the game, that's just keeping you in your comfort zone. I may be shy and a little scared to wander into pvp waters, but I have done so. Sure I think the /rank animals are cute and I would probably like a tiger over the other animals, but it still isn't enough of an incentive to get me into immersing myself into pve play. Now...if they say...put in a /rank Bunny, I'd be tempted as all hell to jump in and do pvp to try and get it. :P

In regards to pve players being able to obtain HoH dropped items and pvp players not being able to obtain chaos gloves, the point is, that the items are not denied to either party or any player in the game. It's just a matter of how much someone wants something. You want a pvp player to have chaos gloves, I want to have a /rank tiger. I don't want for the ranks to be available to me through pve play. I know what I have to do to get it, I have to learn and enjoy pvp play. Those that want chaos gloves know what they must do, they must play the pve side of the game to get it, not with a pvp character, but with a pve character.

Jetdoc · Mar 12, 2008, 07:40 PM // 19:40

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Originally Posted by The Blade From Hell

A pve char can get a rank and chaos gloves a pvp char can get rank but no chaos gloves... see my point. Don't change it around because this is what the thread was about.

This is where we differ. You are focusing on PvP CHARACTERS. I am focusing on PvP PLAYERS.

In creating a PvP CHARACTER, many people in this thread believe that you sacrifice certain appearances (e.g. chaos gloves) for the convenience of creating that character.

In being a PvP PLAYER, you have the ability to obtain chaos gloves, as I described above.

The Blade From Hell · Mar 12, 2008, 07:42 PM // 19:42

Well your still able to get the rank if you are willing to put your pve into HA, its up to you. I would pay 2 * the price of chaos gloves as it is to get it on my pvp char but I cant. Seriously say I can take my char just to farm deldrimor points and ectos I will do it no doubt but that option is not here to me. You going to do HA with your pve character is there you can do it if you want. I just want to be able to have my pvp monk beautiful, I mean you can have your pve char rank cant you? So it would be fair. As for pve I had my share I think almost every player starts with pve anyways (not all but most), if I could convert my pves fow to chaos gloves I would. I just want the option open to us just like you can get the rank if needed. A basic request no?