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Ciric · Mar 21, 2008, 08:18 PM // 20:18

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Originally Posted by forc

They really should be banned permanently.

It is sad that guilds like GANK, sup or Uni are ectually doing things like that ;X

theres no bug, its the way anet has made the skilsl work, and how life loss works.

life loss has always been a sketch mechanic, OoA is not loss, its sac, dark aura is not loss, its damage. Life loss needs to be more clearly defined problem solved.

also this is not an exploit so no one should be ban considering if u want to beat ppl running it, rend, previels, and brains beat it. its not like GANK is holding anymore than they normally do.

Horace The Great · Mar 21, 2008, 08:18 PM // 20:18

Another thing:
This bug is know now for about 5 hours maybe more, it's a serious bug that causes people not to play, so why is there no update yet?

Monk Gsb · Mar 21, 2008, 08:22 PM // 20:22

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Originally Posted by Horace The Great

Another thing:
This bug is know now for about 5 hours maybe more, it's a serious bug that causes people not to play, so why is there no update yet?

i herd that izzy cant update without the other ppl, that are american and are not on yet. so he cant update untill they get online

Lorekeeper · Mar 21, 2008, 08:22 PM // 20:22

There is a guild in HoH running this with the name,

Seventy Two Hour [ban]

i loled!

Kashrlyyk · Mar 21, 2008, 08:24 PM // 20:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ciric

theres no bug, its the way anet has made the skilsl work, and how life loss works.

life loss has always been a sketch mechanic, OoA is not loss, its sac, dark aura is not loss, its damage. Life loss needs to be more clearly defined problem solved.

also this is not an exploit so no one should be ban considering if u want to beat ppl running it, rend, previels, and brains beat it. its not like GANK is holding anymore than they normally do.

It is bug exploiting:

Elite Enchantment Spell. (10 seconds.) Converts incoming damage to healing (maximum 6...49...60). All your Protection Prayers are disabled (5 seconds).

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Damage

Damage in Guild Wars results from actions taken by attackers that subtract a portion of a defender's health. This definition includes many attacks or skills (including spells) but does not include health degeneration, life stealing, sacrifice, or health loss caused by skills such as Infuse Health, Flesh of My Flesh, or Illusion of Weakness.

The Arching Healer · Mar 21, 2008, 08:25 PM // 20:25

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Originally Posted by Horace The Great

It is bug abuse, if you read Shadow Walk and Cultist Fervor then you get the conclusion that it should not trigger.

When you cast
You cannot cast

Casting = starting a spell? or finishing?
In both cases it should not trigger.

Whoever uses a bug should be banned or be giving a penalty, but how you know who used it, you can see it in observe but the rest not right? You can't simple punish every who used these skills in his bar, because people might not abused it on pvp but tryed it in great temple

gogo joep

I only tried in in great temple and unrated hero battles. So I didnt had any profit or something from the bug! Dont ban the innocent xD Btw banning others is unfair

Uber Mass · Mar 21, 2008, 08:29 PM // 20:29

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Originally Posted by Horace The Great

Another thing:
This bug is know now for about 5 hours maybe more, it's a serious bug that causes people not to play, so why is there no update yet?

this build started in HA about 10-12 hrs ago even...

Horace The Great · Mar 21, 2008, 08:31 PM // 20:31

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Originally Posted by Uber Mass

this build started in HA about 10-12 hrs ago even...

Izzy sleeps for 12 hours then, lazy..:P

Uber Mass · Mar 21, 2008, 08:37 PM // 20:37

izzy better be quick then yes... its kinda not funny when you face 2x N/A way on courtyard... tho 1v1 it still can be beaten as long as you can strip the necs

C2K · Mar 21, 2008, 08:37 PM // 20:37

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Originally Posted by forc

They really should be banned permanently.

It is sad that guilds like GANK, sup or Uni are ectually doing things like that ;X

I doubt that will happen. No one hacked the client to create this glitch, it existed for quite sometime. Its only now, however, have people realized it exists. If you want to HA before the update, use wild blow or a sin with wild strike.

niek2004 · Mar 21, 2008, 08:38 PM // 20:38

i have reached 1000 DPS with a macro, i think you can go higher with it.

Horace The Great · Mar 21, 2008, 08:39 PM // 20:39

People got banned at item cloning too, they know they were bug abusing, just like this.

forc · Mar 21, 2008, 08:42 PM // 20:42

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Originally Posted by C2K

I doubt that will happen. No one hacked the client to create this glitch, it existed for quite sometime. Its only now, however, have people realized it exists. If you want to HA before the update, use wild blow or a sin with wild strike.

Erm... no.

The following will result in an account mark (suspension) or an account termination, depending upon the severity of the matter:

Inappropriate in-game behavior – such as obscene, offensive, or racist talk or behavior, abuse of another player, or harassment.

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In-game linking to inappropriate sites, including those offering bots, macros, or other third-party programs, or those selling or buying accounts, items, or in-game gold.

Taking advantage of another player ("scamming") in order to take his/her items or account.

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Abusing game exploits.

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Using, developing, releasing or promoting a "bot" program

C2K · Mar 21, 2008, 08:46 PM // 20:46

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Originally Posted by Horace The Great

People got banned at item cloning too, they know they were bug abusing, just like this.

Yeah, but thats changing the make up of the game, its hacking. This is just abusing the way the skills work. No one changed the code to make this build work the way it does, it always has. People will play to win with any resources given to them, and this is what was available.

Sure you can complain this is unfair or cheap, but since this is the way the game works and not someone using a hack to gain advantage, you can play the build too. You can't fault people for wanting to win, no matter how lame or stupid the means might be. And if you've seen some of the gimmicks that work in HA before this, some are very lame.

Made In Ascalon · Mar 21, 2008, 08:50 PM // 20:50

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Originally Posted by Horace The Great

People got banned at item cloning too, they know they were bug abusing, just like this.

Item cloning completely turned the game economy upside-down. What sort of effect is this going to have on pvp? People will farm eachother for points in HA, then it will get fixed and everyone will go back to the same generic templates to farm eachother as if nothing had happened. The two can not be compared as equals.

EDIT: By the way, this is really no different from the draw conditions/zealot's fire/ether renewal exploit years ago, other than it forces the necro into a very dangerous, low HP situation once MoP ends. People didn't get banned for the former, they shouldn't be for the latter.

Zabe · Mar 21, 2008, 08:56 PM // 20:56

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Originally Posted by Lorekeeper

There is a guild in HoH running this with the name,

Seventy Two Hour [ban]

i loled!

Ye, we started running it after we got bored to GvG after like 15 matches with tons of disconnects and all shit =P

But ye, it is very nice build to run ^^

And all the scrubs complaining from the build how we get permabanned, rollbacks etc. etc. etc.

I'm just still wondering, could you farm guild lord with this somehow.

moko · Mar 21, 2008, 08:57 PM // 20:57

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Originally Posted by Zabe

I'm just still wondering, could you farm guild lord with this somehow.

amulet of protection.

C2K · Mar 21, 2008, 08:58 PM // 20:58

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Originally Posted by forc

Abusing game exploits.

But its not an exploit. An exploit is like going to an outpost that you can access Mallyx from.

This is a case of how the skills work. Sometimes skills actually do more than what they say they do. For the longest time(they eventually changed the wording to clarify this), Disarm interrupted any skill even though it said it would only interrupt attacks. Frustration does damage for any interrupt even though it says it does damage only if a spell is interrupted.

Sure, these aren't as abusable as the Dark Aura mess, but hopefully you get the point

Ciric · Mar 21, 2008, 08:59 PM // 20:59

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Originally Posted by C2K

Yeah, but thats changing the make up of the game, its hacking. This is just abusing the way the skills work. No one changed the code to make this build work the way it does, it always has. People will play to win with any resources given to them, and this is what was available.

Sure you can complain this is unfair or cheap, but since this is the way the game works and not someone using a hack to gain advantage, you can play the build too. You can't fault people for wanting to win, no matter how lame or stupid the means might be. And if you've seen some of the gimmicks that work in HA before this, some are very lame.

wow you hit the nail on the head.

it can be countered, life loss has been "bugged" since the game came out, it works differently on many different skills. And using shadow walk is just the same as hitting escape when you use ur skill, its the way cultist sacs that makes this build work, make the sac only happen after the skill has been cast, gg.

And as said in the quoted post, this is not an exploit, its simply i skill combo that allows for retarded amounts of damage, you can beat it so stop QQing about it,it'll be fixed soon anyway.

stretchs · Mar 21, 2008, 09:00 PM // 21:00

I dont see any reason to get banned for this, it is using skills as they are in the game, not magically making them work differently than they would for anyone else. That is like banning a touch ranger for using necro skills to a benefit, or a 55 monk for farming because of prot spirit. It wasnt intended to maybe work like that, but it does, i would be surprised if they didnt change it soon, but I really see no reason to ban anyone for it. Just because some others didnt think of it they are QQ'n about it all