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Divinus Stella · Jan 23, 2008, 02:49 PM // 14:49

I think pvp is becoming more friendly to new players as a lot of the more experienced players are leaving.

RA is very relient on individual reactions and understanding, especially as a monk. The only merit RA has is that it teaches you the typical builds you will be facing.

You should look into Heroes Ascent, the level of play there is lower than ever, its perfect for new players as your part of a larger team so mistakes often go unnoticed and if you play in the daytime you will be guaranteed a few halls wins even before you get to rank3.

Orange Milk · Jan 23, 2008, 02:56 PM // 14:56

RA is really not a place to "learn" PvP, It's a good place to practice a build, but you really don't learn anything from someplace that is so unstructured and full of stupidity.

Use Teamquitter or Pivx to get some builds and practice them in RA. At first don't worry so much about what your team mates are doing, just worry about learning your build and watching the battle field (ie, learning priority targets, landscape, obstructions) get that stuff down and work on the "team" aspect, you'll pick that up faster in TA and HA anyway.Start with "Flavor of the Month" stuff, it's easier to get into some kind of structured PvP that way (HA or TA)

Build up skills templates and a friends list.

It's VERY difficult to get anywhere in a PvE guild though, PUGing your way is not so much fun.

Download Ventrilo and/or Team Speak, get a working mic.

DutchSmurf · Jan 23, 2008, 06:13 PM // 18:13

The best, and probably only, way to get into PvP is getting into a PvP guild. That said, I can understand why that isn't really an option. Which means you either need to get your guild to give it a try, or you are basically doomed to play RA, AB and TA. Getting past that is hard without guild.

Hayashi · Jan 23, 2008, 08:20 PM // 20:20

best way to learn pvp is by playing RA as a monk. Why you ask? Because RA has the most flavor of wacky builds and as a monk you have to learn all those builds and skills to know the proper ways to defend against them.

Usually the best way to learn about pvp is of course in a gvg team that runs all type of builds. But if thats unavailable I think RA and TA would be the next best place.

In alliance battles everyone cares about capturing
In HA there are just too limited builds and 'jobs' that you dont get exposed to as much scenarios... and besides... monks there use channeling.

Then reading every relevent post on www.teamquitter.com

Or PM me with questions are all good ways to start

Keithark · Jan 23, 2008, 09:33 PM // 21:33

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Originally Posted by ariarena

Hi

I’ve been playing gw almost two years now, almost only pve. I’ve beaten all 3 campaigns, have all professions, and play the core ones regularly. I consider myself a good pve player.

Now, I thought I could try pvp around two weeks ago. I had done ab sometimes, but I wanted something else. My guild is pve only, and they are good friends, so leaving them for a pvp guild is not an option right now.

So… I thought random arenas would be the solution. The best place to start and learn, as a new pvp player. I even got a pvp toon.

Now, I’ve played mainly mesmer, ranger and sometimes necro. I do think I’ve done decently. But… once I decided to play my pve monk (no sup runes, +600 hp, prot bar) and well… I’m a new player, I got spiked by two sins and my team lost. A guy there told me not to leave pve and never play ra again because I s*cked.

While I’m intelligent enough not to get offended for those words, that got me thinking… It was ra really the best place for a new pvp player like me? Or my only mistake was playing monk, and I should leave that class for when I get more experienced?

What do you guys think?

Note to mods: I’m not sure where is the best place to post this, so please move if necessary.

Put friends on f-list and join a relaxed pvp guild that does gvg, ha, etc but is not concerned with rank etc but having fun then after you learn more go to more serious guild all the while playing with your buddies and talking to them thru your friends list

Div · Jan 23, 2008, 10:00 PM // 22:00

AB is a good starting point. Get a group of friends that all enjoy PvP and take it to TA or GvG afterwards. Get help from people that are willing to teach and help out (there's a thread listing a lot of potential guests somewhere here). Read articles on teamquitter.com. Practice more. Figure out what you did wrong and how to improve. Figure out your strengths. Observe top guilds and how they play. Play RA only to test out new builds/configurations and to practice stuff like weapon swapping, positioning, awareness. Don't take it too seriously. I've been told to go back to PvE many times too by people there, saying that I'll never be as good as them

But hey, I've got r4 KoaBD. What do those RA noobs have? Rank 4 hero? Pfffft

Oh, and pick professions that you can work to excel at. Don't be one of those people that "can play everything" but turn out that they suck at it all. Starting out later than others means you don't have to luxury to become good at every class. Having 1-2 primary professions that you excel at and another 1-2 you can play decently will help you advertise yourself to recruiters. The worst apps I've seen are ones where they say they can play "everything but monk" or something. Sure, maybe they can, but the chances of a new player doing that is next to zero.

Shadowspawn X · Jan 23, 2008, 11:08 PM // 23:08

Best place to start is RA and HA find a couple of classes you are good at and try to master them 1st. If you get 100 glads on a couple of classes from RA then advertise yourself for this class in HA and get used to team play, many don't like HA but its the only way to PUG 8 vs 8 till you build up a good flist.

ensoriki · Jan 24, 2008, 12:10 AM // 00:10

Go to the off Topic Board.
I PWND U is setting up an HA session on Saturday the 27'th 4 EST.

Rank does not matter, join in and then hopefully you can make friends have a better footing.

TheLordOfBlah · Jan 27, 2008, 08:35 AM // 08:35

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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob

Well if your ping isn't <100fps

Uh.. ping and FPS are two different things. if ping isnt less than 100 or if fps isnt more than 100? either way you're wrong as you can play with less than 100 fps and more than 100 ping.

Usually anets servers are baed and you get more than 100 ping, nothing you can do about that.

As for fps, anything above 30 works.

For starting PVP, you are gonna want to join a PVP guild with people who know and can teach you commonly used strategies. You probably dont want to start as monk as you are going to take the most blame from teammates whether its your fault or not because most RA people are bad and dont know what theyre doing either.

erk · Jan 27, 2008, 10:25 AM // 10:25

All the Glad farmers usually Monk in RA first for the easy win before they learn to play other professions. It's not a bad starting point.

Cammy · Jan 27, 2008, 10:46 AM // 10:46

tbh it doesn't really matter where you start. As long as you work hard, learn from your mistakes, work on your contacts, and develop a thick skin, you'll be fine.

Akaraxle · Jan 28, 2008, 01:50 PM // 13:50

I don't really have much to add besides: be always ready to be gayed out in RA. You will run into counterbuilds eventually, when all you can do is twiddle your thumbs while your team dies (i.e. when you're playing warrior and they just hexstack you). GW is a team game, RA usually doesn't involve team play so it's only natural to lose.

Also, people get angry for all the reasons. You might have Backfire on you and no hex removal at hand, and they'll yell at you for not healing them. They might be frenzying under Spiteful Spirit and blame you. You might own their face with a ranger and they'll call you a bad interrupt spammer. Just ignore them and move forward.

Talk to people, say you're a newbie and you'd like tips. Eventually you will come across an experienced player more than glad/bored enough to spend some time chatting with you.

erk · Jan 28, 2008, 11:37 PM // 23:37

And also once you have done a bit of time in RA and have accrued a few Gladiator points, then you can move on to PUG in TA where you should pick up some tips. At that stage you want to make sure you have Ventrilo/TeamSpeak/Mumble installed and a working headset. Organized PvP needs voice communications.

audioaxes · Jan 29, 2008, 08:25 AM // 08:25

RA is the best place just get a feel for things but you have to be open to improvement because you can play RA forever and never get any better (actually this applies to all pvp modes)

Shendaar · Jan 29, 2008, 03:04 PM // 15:04

I think AB is a good place to start, so long as you can get a decent group going with a monk. Try to run some TA-like builds in AB .. Its pretty fun.

Cirian · Jan 29, 2008, 05:49 PM // 17:49

[wiki]Fort Aspenwood[/wiki] is an easy playground to ease yourself into from PvE. Very casual and probably the least stressful, there are different objectives other than just killing players (but you can do that too). In that respect it does have similarities to GvG - there are lots of different situations and circumstances to adapt to in both. In theory you can win a game of FA or GvG without killing a single player. Just think of Gunther as the Guild Lord

It really doesn't matter if you get lost in FA either... winning and losing isn't taken very seriously, so you can kinda do your own thing (winning still feels nicer though). Oh yeah, you can switch sides if you want to play from the other perspective too (doesn't matter what your alliance allegiance is).

[wiki]GvG[/wiki]ing with your guild is another good place to start - it doesn't matter if you lose or get lost, it's more about having fun with a group of friends

RA is probably the most stressful place to begin - team deathmatch with strangers. It's where sadists go to grind noobs into the ground

Captain Robo · Jan 29, 2008, 06:41 PM // 18:41

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Well if your ping isn't <100fps

lulz.

Learn to play monk. The biggest mistake I made was learning to play that class last.

moriz · Jan 29, 2008, 08:27 PM // 20:27

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

AB is a good starting point. Get a group of friends that all enjoy PvP and take it to TA or GvG afterwards. Get help from people that are willing to teach and help out (there's a thread listing a lot of potential guests somewhere here). Read articles on teamquitter.com. Practice more. Figure out what you did wrong and how to improve. Figure out your strengths. Observe top guilds and how they play. Play RA only to test out new builds/configurations and to practice stuff like weapon swapping, positioning, awareness. Don't take it too seriously. I've been told to go back to PvE many times too by people there, saying that I'll never be as good as them

But hey, I've got r4 KoaBD. What do those RA noobs have? Rank 4 hero? Pfffft

Oh, and pick professions that you can work to excel at. Don't be one of those people that "can play everything" but turn out that they suck at it all. Starting out later than others means you don't have to luxury to become good at every class. Having 1-2 primary professions that you excel at and another 1-2 you can play decently will help you advertise yourself to recruiters. The worst apps I've seen are ones where they say they can play "everything but monk" or something. Sure, maybe they can, but the chances of a new player doing that is next to zero.

stop farming pve you noob

and i agree that AB is the best place to start off. out of all the "new" pvp forms, it is the most similar to gvg. it is also noncompetitive, so you can progress at your own pace.

trialist · Jan 29, 2008, 08:58 PM // 20:58

Yep i really wouldn't recommend RA as a good starting ground either, due to the number of degenerate builds there. I feel GVG is actually the best place to start in, as it grounds in you the importance of teamwork and being able to rely on your team.

RA is more for honing your individual skill and reactions to oh shit situations with the amount of gank builds there. However if you really want to, then you should focus on being either one of the following, a damage dealer, healer or a disrupter. Don't try to be a jack of all trades, master of none. Pick the role you want to be and then focus on being good at it. You should also evaluate what you have done for your team be it win or lose. If you won, was it because you were the one getting in all the kills? Were you the one interrupting everything and making the other team useless? Or were you the one keeping the whole team alive without a single death?

If it felt like to you that you didn't really do anything much and you still won, then your team is carrying you and you need to reevalute your build and what you are doing for your team. It becomes painfully obvious after a while whether you are the one carrying the team or they are carrying you. Focus on being the one carrying the team, that is the only way to get better in a place like RA. If you are happy being carried, well... you just aren't gonna get better then.

X Black Chaos X · Jan 29, 2008, 11:20 PM // 23:20

Actually Hero Battles is great for just starting out. I've been doing them for about 8months now. Start in unrateds first to get the hang of things. HA and TA are ok but often the groups don't know what they're doing or they don't want u unless you have a high rank on hero title track. In HB you don't need any groups just you and your heros. You learn a lot about which skills to use and how to use them effectivaly. Plus once you get good you could win money

(real money in the form of an amazon online gift card)