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Old Apr 04, 2008, 03:28 PM // 15:28   #1
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Default 4/4/08 - Balance a Skill a Day - Blood Magic

Everyone hates it.

Right now it degenerates gameplay if it's too good.


Soooo.....how can we go about making this NOT suck! Bonus points if you provide examples.
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Old Apr 04, 2008, 03:46 PM // 15:46   #2
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Make it more of a support line. Things like Order of Pain and Dark Fury come to mind.

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blood bond- 10/.75/5. for 1..8 seconds +1..8 regen, -4 degen. heal for 10..80 at end.

helps a bit against heavy degen teams. acts as support skill against spikes with heavy ench removal

blood of the aggressor- 15/1/10. 10% sac. if target foe is attacking, target foe takes 5..50 damage and your party is healed for 5..50.

midline partyheal that doesn't involve e/mo hp or rits.

mark of subversion: 20 recharge, 4 duration.

makes necros better at shutdown.

ravenous gaze: 5/1/5. target foe takes 40..60 damage. all party members within earshot are healed for 30..45 health.

divine healing/heaven's delight with spike assistance and shorter recharge on a necro

A lot of what midline characters do is provide:

a) spike assistance (paragons, eles, mesmers)
b) shutdown (mesmers, rangers)
c) pressure (paragons, rangers)
d) offensive party support- blinds, blurs (eles)
e) defensive party support- prots, heals (HP eles, paragons)

As it is now, most necro templates suck at those things. Making necros better shutdown and defensive party support types is a good way to go, and these changes reflect that.
Just bringing this quote in from the thread I made in The Campfire. Divine has made some quite nice suggestions there.
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Old Apr 04, 2008, 04:02 PM // 16:02   #3
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ravenous gaze at 10e with this suggestion would still be worth it. If blood spike still worked and you'd implement this, I can see 1-2 necro taking it instead of vampiric gaze, having a support skill + damage for spikes, even if it's damage and not life steal.

Working around condition management and support/shutdown is a good idea.

If blood bond had to stay like that, I'd use a 1sec cast on life siphon, with a higher recharge

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Old Apr 04, 2008, 05:30 PM // 17:30   #4
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I would try and rework blood magic into a skirmish line, with curses/sould reaping being flag stand

Buff blood renewal, demonic flesh for self survival, maybe make them usable on other allies. Rework some skill based life steal skills (target foe is interrupted and you steal x health), maybe rework a skill into a speed boost (sacrifice x health and move y% faster for z seconds. Buff mark of subversion, shorten duration. Rework a skill into some kind of snare (if target foe is suffering from a condition, that foe is crippled?/hexed with snare?)
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Old Apr 04, 2008, 06:24 PM // 18:24   #5
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Blood Bond
Enchantment Spell. For 10 seconds, target other ally gains +3...7...9 health regenerationg which you suffer as health degeneration. When this enchantment ends, you and your target are healed for 30...70...90 health.
10%sac 10e 1/4c 5r

Blood Renewal
Decrease cast time to 1/4s, decrease sacrifice to 10%, increase energy cost to 5.

Blood of the Aggressor
Spell. If target foe is attacking, that foe is knocked down.
10%sac 10e 1c 5r

Dark Fury
Decrease sacrifice cost to 10%, increase casting time to 2 seconds, decrase recharge to none.

Darck Pact
Spell. Target foe takes shadow damage equal to your sacrifice.

Jaundiced Gaze
Spell. If you are under the effects od an enchantment, you steal 18...52...60 health from target foe. Otherwise you deal 18...52...60 damage.
10e 1c 2r

Life Transfer
Decrease duration to 4...9...10 seconds, decrease recharge to 10 seconds, increase energy cost to 10.

Mark of Subversion
Hex Spell. For 6 seconds, the next time target foe casts a spell that targets an ally of that foe, the spell fails and you steal up to 18...52...60 Health from the target of that spell.

Offering of Blood
Decrease sacrifice cost to 17%.

Oppressive Gaze
Spell. You steal 18...52...60 health from target foe and all nearby foes who are suffering from weakness. Foes not suffering from weakness become weakened for 5...17...20 seconds.
15e 2c 5r

Order of Pain
Decrease sacrifice cost to 10%.

Order of the Vampire
Decrease sacrifice cost to 10%, increase energy cost to 10, decrease recharge time to none.

Ravenous Gaze
Spell. Steal 18...52...60 health and remove 1...2...2 enchantments from target foe. If an enchantment was removed, you steal an addittional 15...27...30 health.

Soul Leech
Hex Spell. For 6 seconds, the next time target foe casts a spell that targets an ally of that foe, the spell fails and you steal up to 10...76...92 Health from the target of that spell.
IMO.

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Old Apr 06, 2008, 02:45 PM // 14:45   #6
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/agree with giving blood magic some more utility and healing for teammates. IMO its really the only way to buff it without creating retarded spike builds in the process. Skills like blood bond are skills that currently suck but have the potential to be decent if buffed.
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Old Apr 07, 2008, 01:20 AM // 01:20   #7
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TBH, you cant really balance blood magic without over doing it. I mean, revenous gaze, it may LOOK bad, but spiking for 100+ life stealing in 1 skilll, well, gg 55 monk =D.

If it was more support, thad be OK, although probably paragon>necro supportwise even if necro blood magic was changed to support.
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Old Apr 07, 2008, 12:38 PM // 12:38   #8
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THINK WE'RE MISSING A FEW DAYS WORTH OF SKILLS TO BALANCE, LAWL!!

Generally-speaking, what needs to happen to put Blood in a better position is simply give necros more utility that has health sacrifice as its primary cost, which puts blood in a better position to recover that health while harming the other team.
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Old Apr 07, 2008, 02:33 PM // 14:33   #9
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THINK WE'RE MISSING A FEW DAYS WORTH OF SKILLS TO BALANCE, LAWL!!

Generally-speaking, what needs to happen to put Blood in a better position is simply give necros more utility that has health sacrifice as its primary cost, which puts blood in a better position to recover that health while harming the other team.
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